Polish and Irish people are related?

i have lived in poland (lublin) and spent some time in ireland.
i find both peoples to be great and generous.
i think that they are related (dna?) as both love:
literature, music, church, and are tops when it comes to horses and alcohol.
i have not met nicer people than the poles and irish.
does anyone agree that these people are dna related?
i think both are slavic, and my last argument for this is the way the english treat both.
i mean to make no one mad, as i love both people.

The Irish are not Slavic but Celtic. There may have been Celts in ancient Poland that went West hence the both Poland and Spain have a region called Galicia.

AFAIR there was a thread somewhere on this forum claiming that the Irish are actually a long-lost Slavic tribe, so you're not alone in your views :)

My personal belief is that the Slavs and the Celts must have been genetically related once.

Or maybe it's just similar history as the reason for developing similar traits.

what do any of these things have to do with DNA?

unfortunately read somewhere that there is as much Saxon DNA in modern Irish as Celt.

Erm....don't mix up genetics and culture ;)

wiki/Irish_people


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Although I do not agree with your DNA theory, I myself am Irish and live in Poland.

You may find this thread interesting: The Celts in Poland.


A few things in Irish/Polish history have made us very similar, in my opinion.
Being underdogs and having had a rough history, coupled along with Catholicism, has made us more similar in many ways, sense of humour, sense of right and wrong, guilt and perspective.

The number one difference between Ireland and Poland is that Poland experienced communism, which has had a great effect here.

Due to Penal laws/famine etc etc etc etc and a general hatred-disregard for the Irish,the Irish over-identified with the Roman catholic church(which was itself seen as alien by the Celtic/Christians). The Polish also over-identified with the church, due to Godless communism. I think modernity alone,would have seriously sliced the power of the church in Poland decades ago. Poland and Ireland have this in common,imperialism kept the church strong, long past its sell by date.

Good point, I would like to add something to it:

Ireland was ruled by the church, like Poland it was galvanised simply by not being part of the occupational entity but there is and was a separation of church and state in Poland that is really only starting in the last 25 years in Ireland (and that might be even pushing it).

What doesn't help is Ireland making a new blasphemy law last year amid sexual misconduct accusations within the church and the church telling people they will ''deal with it'', as if they are above the law.

Now when I return to Ireland, I find people generally more conservative than Poles.
These days more people attend mass in Poland than Ireland but the centuries have had a lasting effect.

Wow - I'm surprised at that. Depends on the region though I suppose. E.g. someone in a village in Roscommon is likely to be more traditional or conservative than someone from Gdansk.

Conservative in what way - can you give examples?

But I have to say (and I roughly agree with the OP by the way in terms of an affinity if not literally shared DNA) that based on the Poles I have met, and their families, that Poles are more conservative on average.

Not even that long,remember how hard it was to get a condum. A large proportion are conservative still in Ireland as their "present" reactionary contempt for the church is quite shallow, and their newly acquired liberalism is NOT deep seated, but only lip service.

Although I would worry about the church power in Poland, much more so than in Ireland.

The thing about the cross in front of the parliament here and the general media coverage of religious issues are a minority. Most Poles are Catholic but see a separation between church and state, that's what got the cross here so much attention and then the media spin did the rest.

But how religion is above the law in Ireland does not exist here, at least not to my knowledge.
And people's general attitude here is less conservative, I remember the outrage when the Virgin mega store sold condoms, when there was outrage over an AIDs information advertisement, divorce was illegal, Monthy Python's 'life of Brian' was banned in Ireland for years, for no pûrn in Ireland and this continues in a million different nuances till this day, Catholic schools (what % are anything else?), uniforms, the Church wanting to "deal with the sexual assault charges themselves". I am not saying anything about the strength of people's religious beliefs just that Ireland did not and still doesn't truly separate church from state.

Is any catholic country really much different?

As regards church/state, don't forget, Irish media is one of the most free in the world - in comparison, Polish media is fairly restricted. Anything and everything negative about the church in Ireland will be publicised but this is not necessarily the case in Poland.

Another thing is, what it says on paper and what happens in practice is often very different in Ireland e.g. in a supposedly traditional/conservative country we had female presidents, openly gay politicians etc.

I would be surprised if there wasn't the same degree of chuch influence in Polish politics - wasn't there something recently about bishops attempting to influence national governement?

According to the Poles I know, outside of the cities, in Poland the local priest is still a quite powerful figure and regularly "meddles" in local politics, family life etc.

In fact come to think of it, for at least a few of the Poles I know personally, "conservative" or "traditional" would be regarded as badges of honour really - "liberal" is a bit of a dirty word for them. Be honest, you can see it often on this very site!

This attitude would be in direct contrast to the majority of Irish people I know.

As regards to separation between church and state, I think so, also it was the church that educated Ireland, for the most part.


Communism didn't persecute women as much as Ireland did, they were part of the work force here. So there has been no real sexual revolution here the way it is in Ireland.

I would like to stress my use of the words "as much", women here are still paid less and hold lower positions of power but lets face it, an Irish president is more like a diplomat, she doesn't hold any real power, ok to veto but has she ever used it?

You have a point with gay politicians here though, I can't see it being so widely excepted here for a long time yet.


Attempting to influence is a far stretch from Ireland's Government letting the church deal with the sexual assault allegations by themselves.


You bet, the sheer attendance rate here has a substantial effect on people, I just find now, Irish people more conservative.


But the church can introduce a Blasphemy law in ireland, without protest.

youtube.com/watch?v=UbqR5XCRPeU

But it's not a case of "letting" though - it's more just lazy and ineffectual governement don't you think? It's not like the governemnt - and certainly not the people - are simply OK with it.

There have been lobbies to e.g. have the papal nuncio expelled and the vatican regarded as a hostile state in relation to all of this. Unlikely to happen of course, but it's not a situation that has been just "accepted"


Oh I know. It's a joke. But in reality, what will happen?

I know it's not the way to look at it, it's the principle, but as an illustration, to be a godparent in a church christening in Ireland it's as easy as buying bread - try it in Poland and it's a different story altogether. The same proof of good character, references, solemnity theoretically is supposed to be the same in Ireland but it just isn't.

That's kind of my point - in theory certain conservatism applies, in practice it's anything goes.

Anyway, sorry a bit of a thread hijack.

centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/pakistan_pushes_irish_blasphemy_law_language_at_the_un


I get what you mean, but in church a godparent is supposed to look after the child's spiritual life, it makes sense that a church would want new members whereas I am talking about the church making civil laws.

I am not saying that Poland is a very liberal country and you have some good points, Poland is more conservative than Ireland on certain issues, I just like the church being out of parliament.

I think part of the difference is, the church ruled Ireland, it was absolutely powerful and therefore corrupt even during the occupation, whereas the church in Poland was a passive resistant freedom against communism, priest were killed and spoke for the people that was their power.

Ah c'mon - twisted interpretations of anything and everything have been used to justify all and sundry since the beginning of time!


As do I - and as does everyone I know.

Maybe one difference too is that church/state are linked in Ireland, theoretically, but in practice, not a lot of influence is exerted or is successful these days. Whereas in Poland, theorectically, church and state are separate but in practice the church has a disproportionate amount of power and influence?

Muppet,when did the english massacre any Polish towns,allow famine to spread etc in Poland? What a plum....


Nope,there is no such thing as Celtic dna,the Celts were a lifestyle not a tribe....anyhoo,as someone else pointed out,there is as much Saxon,Viking,"english" DNA in ireland as there is traces of older types of irishmen.

Love that city


Well according to stats Irish people are the most liked by Poles so there must be something to it.

The most favorite Polish nations are Irish , English , Czech , French and Italians ; least like the Arabs , Romanians and Roma - according to a poll by CBOS

Ireland , English , Czech , French and Italians have enjoyed the sympathy of more than half of respondents ( from 51 to 54 per cent), Reluctance to declare them 15 to 11 percent . Sympathy for the Arabs declare 12 percent of Poles, Romas - 14 percent , to Romanians - 16 per cent . , while aversion to these nations declared 55 per cent respectively . , 59 per cent . , 51 per cent . respondents.

It's not just about that, it is a show of strength by the church, that when all the curruption came out about the church a Blesphamy law gets passed.


I can't think of any influence the government has from the church here unlike Ireland's long history.

Maybe not historically but google "church influence in Polish politics" and have a look.

Anyway, sorry again jim1937 - I'll leave the tangent at that.


Didn't realise there was a horse thing with the Polish - is there?

some Polish horses (for certain events) are seen as among the best in the world.

the horse and carriage events i think.

Oh, OK thanks.

Jim has probably lost interest though : (

I think it's probably about Polish Arabian horses?

Will at this year's auction in Janow, Poland be beaten the previous record - one million U.S. dollars for a horse ?

Today in Janow Podlaski begins with the world-famous Arabian horse show . Auction every year visit the world's most serious breeder. With Janow Podlaski derives many of the most respected bloodlines.

Janowskie auctions are events such prestigious and profitable .

Very true remarks - great remarks, milky. I would add that Irish nationalism closely resembles our Polish one in that it has the deep-rooted notion of victimhood, some very tender spots connected with historical memory. And we are both very tough peoples - peoples one can kill but never defeat.

You are right. There are a lot of similarities between the Irish and the Polish. They are both tough Catholics who used the Catholic church as a source of strength when they were oppressed.

I like the Irish.

Little Christmas (on Jan 7th) now a bank holiday in Poland from this year. makes no sense at all except church got a petition together and Govt too frightened to reject it. .

Really? I find that hard to believe.


That is BS






It's not only the Polish and Irish, I am sure the Brits love their horses as well, and as far as competing in show jumping etc. the Germans win for the most part.

Can you elaborate maybe?

en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2010,1034.html

Polish girls like ułani ;)

youtube.com/watch?v=QGJprWPh3AM

youtube.com/watch?v=lpBhBxazKmg

youtube.com/watch?v=H-y2Ts8vjuQ

xD


You may be right (I don't know though, I'm just guessing), on the other hand in Poland it rather depends on the TV station and the newspaper. TVP1 is not the same as Superstacja, and "Nasz Dziennik" is not the same as "Gazeta Wyborcza" or newspapers closer to the left.


"As regards church/state, don't forget, Irish media is one of the most free in the world"

Um, this ranking of Reporters Without Borders is general, I really doubt it's only about church/state thing. I think it's more about state/press. Poland is 32nd in this ranking, and France is 44th lol Does this mean that France is more Catholic than Poland? O_O ;)