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Polish and Irish people are related?


Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Jan 2011 #61
What do you mean?

Either you accept the rankings or you don't - if you don't, fair enough, there is no point talking about it. If you do, you therefore have to accept that there are some issues with press freedom in Poland, relative to the countries above. Simple as that.

No we don't know the exact reasons but since the ranking concerns "press freedom" I think we can all take a wild guess that it just might involve how free (or not) the press is - what do you think?

It doesn't matter what the precise reasons are and it doesn't matter whether or not they are given really if it all amounts to the same thing - less press freedom.

They could, for example, publish whatever they want, but some politicians could sue the newspaper for that, or something.

...therefore, they can't say what they want. Same thing. Unless every paper gets sued every day of the week? No, of course not. So they are restricted.

I don't know why you are making this more complicated when it is very simple.
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #62
No we don't know the exact reasons but since the ranking concerns "press freedom" I think we can all take a wild guess that it just might involve how free (or not) the press is - what do you think?

Well, to be honest the press would be actually my last guess ;)
I don't know, but I'd like to know :) I wonder if it's available somewhere on the internet.

I don't know why you are making this more complicated when it is very simple.

I think it may be more complicated as I described with the women equality ranking.

Btw, do you have any idea what may be the restrictions of freedom of press in Ireland? I'm curious.
Crow 146 | 9,173
16 Jan 2011 #63
Polish and Irish people are related?

Irish ancestors were Proto Slavs
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #64
I'd like to know

Well that case with Doda is gobsmacklingly daft.
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #65
So your bet is on that blasphemy law?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #66
Well if you can't express such a simple opinion, it kinda puts it into perspective.
That'd be laughed at if it had happened in today's Ireland.

Although 'The life of Brian' by Monthy Python was banned in Ireland for being blasphemous years ago.

:)

youtube.com/watch?v=kqilW8OpeGc
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
16 Jan 2011 #67
Irish ancestors were Proto Slavs

Nah,that would make me a Slav,and you couldnt compute that could you crow :)

Guess this wouldnt go down to well then :)
...
warning,seriously,could offend some,if so,dont watch,turn the other cheek,whatever,peace.
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #68
Well if you can't express such a simple opinion, it kinda puts it into perspective.
That'd be laughed at if it had happened in today's Ireland.

But you wrote that Ireland has a blasphemy law too? Yet it's higher on the ranking. So I guess there must be something more?

Although 'The life of Brian' by Monthy Python was banned in Ireland for being blasphemous years ago.

lol I've seen it on TVP1 quite a long time ago ;)
But Poles are quite fond of Monthy Python in general, as far as I've noticed :)
Teffle 22 | 1,321
16 Jan 2011 #69
do you have any idea what may be the restrictions of freedom of press in Ireland?

I don't know - it's restricted ; )
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #70
But you wrote that Ireland has a blasphemy law too? Yet it's higher on the ranking. So I guess there must be something more?

Yes there is a law in Ireland but I doubt if anyone could ever get in to trouble for it.
I am sure, knowing Irish people, someone has tried and failed.
it would be considered too stupid to actually use such a law, it might exist but to put it in practise would be the joke of the century.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Jan 2011 #71
Can you elaborate maybe?

There is nothing the Irish media can print that the Polish media cannot, certainly nothing that would in anyway minimize its role of scrutiny.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #72
There is nothing the Irish media can print that the Polish media cannot.

What about expressing blasphemous opinions like Doda is being charged with?
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #73
I don't know - it's restricted ; )

lol

;)

Yes there is a law in Ireland but I doubt if anyone could ever get in to trouble for it.
I am sure, knowing Irish people, someone has tried and failed.
it would be considered too stupid to actually use such a law, it might exist but to put it in practise would be the joke of the century.

OK, but the law exists. So Reporters Without Borders evaluate not the law but it's practical use?

What about expressing blasphemous opinions like Doda is being charged with?

It was a television interview, I think hague1cmaeron meant press articles ;)

So, I guess you SeanBM also have no idea what those restrictions of the freedom of press in Ireland could be?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #74
I guess you SeanBM also have no idea what those restrictions of the freedom of press in Ireland could be?

Oh no, I have no idea what these statistics were made from, I already said that.

I am just shocked with the Doda charges, that's all.

Just something of interest while we are on the subject:

Poland and Lithuania

Freedom of Press laws are first passed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1532.[13]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press#Poland_and_Lithuania

and something else:

The report is based on a questionnaire [1] sent to partner organizations of Reporters Without Borders (14 freedom of expression groups in five continents) and its 130 correspondents around the world, as well as to journalists, researchers, jurists and human rights activists.[2]

The survey asks questions about direct attacks on journalists and the media as well as other indirect sources of pressure against the free press. Reporters Without Borders is careful to note that the index only deals with press freedom, and does not measure the quality of journalism

/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #75
I am just shocked with the Doda charges, that's all.

To be honest I doubt they'll convict her, but we'll see ;)

According to this article in 2009 the prosecutor refused to start an investigation about this:

Metropolitan prosecutors accused Doda, a pop-singer from Poland, for offending religious feelings of others. The point is to identify the authors of the Bible as " naprutych wine and smoking some herbs ." The popular singer threatens it to two years in prison.

- April 30 indictment against Dorothy R. was referred to the District Court for Warsaw -Mokotów - said deputy head of the Prosecutor's Office Warsaw - Mokotów Anna Accardo . The prosecutor added that for pressing charges and the prosecution appealed the content of the opinion of experts appointed by the prosecution - a linguist and two experts ( secular and religious ) .


But Ryszard Nowak complained to the court and the court ordered the prosecutor office to start the investigation.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Jan 2011 #76
What about expressing blasphemous opinions like Doda is being charged with?

Since when was Doda a journalist? And her comments could quite easily be interpreted as malicious slander.

I'm not saying the Polish press cannot criticize at all and that their lips are sealed or something but there are obviously things that they cannot say - hence the ranking.

And what would those things be?

What some people don't understand is that there is a difference between a right to know, and a right to offend.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #77
Since when was Doda a journalist?

I wrote "What about expressing blasphemous opinions like Doda is being charged with?" as in similar too. I did not say Doda was a journalist, have you seen her?

Her comments could quite easily be interpreted as malicious slander?

I have also posted her comment and you would need a wacky imagination to see that as slander.

Here, I will post it again, my problem is I am just too nice on these forums :)

In May 2010, the Warsaw prosecutor's office charged Doda with the crime of "offending religious sensibilities" for remarking in a year-ago television interview that she believed more in dinosaurs than she did in the Bible because "it is hard to believe in something written by people who drank too much wine and smoked herbal cigarettes."[5] If convicted, she faces up to two years in prison under Poland's blasphemy laws.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doda_%28singer%29#Blasphemy_charges]
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Jan 2011 #78
I have read the comment, and how can it possibly NOT be interpreted as slanderous?
To all intents and purposes she called the disciples drunks and potheads.

Anyhow the thing that separates Poland and Ireland is not necessarily what the press can and cannot print, it is more to do with access to information. In Ireland freedom of information laws seem to be more enabling than in Poland
Paulina 10 | 1,774
16 Jan 2011 #79
drank too much wine

"Naprutych winem" is more like "wasted with wine", I think ;)

Btw, it's funny though, I've just remembered that Doda sued one hip-hop singer for calling her "blachara" lol
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
16 Jan 2011 #80
''Polish and Irish people are related ?''

have you seen her?

i have. she doesn't look Irish to me.

for me, the celts may have passed through Poland, but i refuse to believe the Poles and Irish are related.

other than strong faith i wouldn't say they have that much in common either. no more than than the English, Scottish and a few others.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #81
I have read the comment, and how can it possibly NOT be interpreted as slanderous?

Simple, would you have charged Doda with the crime of "offending religious sensibilities" for the remark?

for me, the celts may have passed through Poland, but i refuse to believe the Poles and Irish are related.

Passed through?
Ashleys mind 3 | 455
16 Jan 2011 #82
Polish and Irish people are related?

...by Potatoes?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Jan 2011 #83
Simple, would you have charged Doda with the crime of "offending religious sensibilities" for the remark?

I wouldn't have, but that's because I just couldn't be bothered. However if i was hired to represent the church in a libel case, I would have absolutely no qualms. Deep down I would feel a certain sense of satisfaction for putting the silly dits in her place.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2011 #84
if i was hired to represent the church in a libel case, I would have absolutely no qualms. Deep down I would feel a certain sense of satisfaction for putting the silly dits in her place.

Ok, each to their own I suppose.
I wouldn't, because doing so would make the Church look petty and foolish because it is such a trivial opinion.
Silly? Isn't she in menca?
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
16 Jan 2011 #85
Polish girls like ułani ;)

Good girl(:

Isn't she in menca?

Come again, what exactly is menca?
Teffle 22 | 1,321
17 Jan 2011 #86
And what would those things be?

Here is some idea: en.rsf.org/report-poland,125.html

I think I've said all I need to already on this. As mentioned, either you accept the findings of Reporters San Frontieres or you don't. If you do, Poland are ranked where they are ranked for a reason.

Even if the issue is only something like FOI as you have suggested (it isn't), it still amounts to the same thing - if you don't have enough information you are running with a less complete version of "the story" (or maybe not running it at all) therefore, freedom of the press is curtailed.
milky 13 | 1,657
17 Jan 2011 #87
When i look at Irish women and Polish women,i doubt very much we are in any way related.

And I see pûrn in every petrol station, little shop and on TV here in Poland.

and the pûrn is not on the top shelf, so, perfect for those in wheelchairs and the children. When i was young in Ireland the only pûrn in Ireland was the bra section in the Family Album Catalogue.
southern 75 | 7,096
17 Jan 2011 #88
When i look at Irish women and Polish women,i doubt very much we are in any way related.

You mean polish women are far more beautiful?
southern 75 | 7,096
17 Jan 2011 #90
Irish are not so sexy,not so slim,not so available,whatever.I wouldn't categorize irish as slavic although they are not completely germanic too.


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