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Feeling ashamed of my Polish heritage.


beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #121
The answer is simple - don't invest!

Sure I will call the heads of states and the IMF and let them know...what are you on about? Simple? Hah.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
18 Feb 2010 #122
what are you on about?

what are you on about?
you call business interest in Poland - care!
You going about how Poland need investments and should be grateful ( and maybe bowing and call them Masters ?)

Its business transaction, you are not here to care or make people's life better, you are here to make money.

What are you about?
Invests or not majority of Poles couldn't care less!
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #123
But if nobody invested the majority of Poles WOULD care when the country went to hell. Can you really be that stupid to not see that?

You NEED the investment but your ego prevents you from even admitting that.
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #124
But as of now I am not too proud of being Polish and its bothering me and I don't like it.

Sebastian you have 3 choices:

A. Change your Nameski to English or any other equivalent in more 'happy' languages (you can even find an advice here - many linguists and family name researchers available and eager to help). By the way you're lucky enough in this case with your first name so international and Bachese.

B. Rethink your complexes
1. You insist that whole Poland is total hillbilly real hole! Yeah, Poland is still poorer than many other countries (I think this is why your family emigrated).

2. Yes, in Poland there are many morons - like in most countries.
3. Yes, in Poland there are reported many thefts - but I lost only an old mobile 3 years ago (maybe dropped by me) in 30 years period in Poland - but found all my credit cards and money stolen in Madrid in the very first day of my 4 days journey, almost ripped off in Rome, almost beaten in London - all in the very first days. Thieves have no nation.

4. Yes, there is a total bullsh*t with Polish democracy - like unfortunately in most modern democratic countries - there is no discussion out there, only partisan clashes and lobby smearing. The only thing Poland outperforms in this discipline The Golden Guiding Light of Western Liberal Democracy is irresponsibility of administration clerks - however it's slightly and very slowly improving.

5. Corruption - yes it's called a tax on bad legislation - look at Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, France - ClearStream, Germany - NordStream, Belgium - helicopters, England - MP costs refunding, Canada - add something you know.

6. Folks complaining - yes very often, but it only appears, when you have nothing real to talk to or as a kind of mannerism. I know guys with such an annoying habit. Simple "bad to you" or "it's your problem" acts like a refreshing shower.

7. Awful roads - the most serious - but it will never change (I'm only here a pessimist). There were very old saying in 17th century: Polish bridges, German jokes, Swiss frankness and French integrity - all the same.

C. Go and drink some Polish beer of your choice and don't think so much. One of your problem is you're spending too much time comparing. In fact nations are incomparable. I'm proud to be a Pole (while my family is of Austrian origin and polonized in the middle of present day Ukraine), so I would probably be if I were of Jewish or English descent or even Italian (Madonna mia, che cosa parlo).
Ironside 51 | 11,337
18 Feb 2010 #125
You NEED the investment but your ego prevents you from even admitting that.

Nice selling technique, sorry but advertisement is not working on me.

Can you really be that stupid to not see that?

temper? :)

What exactly is YOUR problem in Poland ?

nite
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #126
What exactly is YOUR problem in Poland ?

That's a long list...if I could ask one thing of Poles it would be to take responsibility for your inadequacies rather than make excuses and shrug your shoulders. I have never been somewhere where people make more excuses while doing nothing. You make the French look downright efficient.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602
18 Feb 2010 #127
You make the French look downright efficient.

That's impossible.

While the Poles frequently have their noses to the ground, the French have theirs' in the air.

I have never been somewhere where people make more excuses

So you've never been to Somalia eh?
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #128
responsibility for your inadequacies rather than make excuses

Responsibility - yes, but only when someone is responsible.
Excuse - fact, Poles especially in middle age or older are accustomed to make excuses, but once again - it's really easy to stop, just freeze an excuse maker with "bad to you". It's only a folk custom-speaking not a real thing.

I have never been somewhere where people make more excuses while doing nothing. You make the French look downright efficient.

I suppose you have never seen Frenchmen in real action: all these greves, management by meetings, sulks and bloats, and money-for-everything attitude. Ou la la. Merde actually. But of course it's only a stereotype. However what we are still talking about here - STEREOTYPES & PREJUDICES.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #129
No I am not talking about ungrounded prejudice...I am talking about clear and obvious behaviors exhibited by certain cultures. You can try to dismiss it by calling it a stereotype with the negative connotation that has with it, but everyone knows it's true.
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #130
With the massive amounts of credit Poles live on (more than the Yanks on a per unit income basis)

What a funny statistics. What are your sources. Don't spread factoids. Give numbers. I've heard just the opposite.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #131
You must be kidding right? It's common sense if you look at salaries vs real estate costs. Also look at the cost of goods, cars etc. It is an impossibility for people to be buying all they do on what they earn. But you knew that.
hague1cameron - | 85
18 Feb 2010 #132
beelzebub

[You NEED the investment but your ego prevents you from even admitting that.[/quote]

The above person seems to have a serious inferiority complex.

Yes, kind of like Arab oil money is fueling investment in the US. And lets not forget Chinese money. A Rich nation having to borrow from a poor one how immoral, decadent and indecent is that? I suppose that is why Obama has take to bowing before a Saudi King.
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #133
Nobody can afford a 500,000pln flat on 2500pln a month yet there are plenty of those around.

The really big mess is coming from USA. Totally corrupt crediting process politically fueled to increase homeownership especially in minority societies:
1. irresponsibly easy money by Federasts,
2. easy solvency check thanks to Lawmakers,
3. corrupt (not greedy - everbody's greedy - but corrupt) traders,
4. irresponsible investment banks - putting all these derivatives securitized on derivatives on loans with no price settled,
5. incompetent and irresponsible credit rating agencies - it's funny they still exist after all their ratings proved so glamorously adequate,
6. corrupt credit brokers with their 'yeah, you'll have 3months payment vacancies here, and next we'll move your loan to another bank and you'll have another 3months vacancy, and then again and maybe buy new SUV as an addendum',

7. corrupt home brokers,
8. corrupt appraisers with their 'you have so precious collateral' (2-room wooden hut),
9. illiterate & indebted or cunning borrowers with their excuses.

They destroyed global credibility and even now making money on the debris like Goldman Sachs.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #134
Me? Hah...boy your observational skills need some tuning. I am inferior to those superior to me but that's it. I am firmly confident that I am in the upper half at least :))

And Marqoz you are deflecting as is so common with Poles. The GLOBAL crisis is one thing. Poland's credit party is another.
Orzelbialy - | 17
18 Feb 2010 #135
Lol he really does. I knew this was direction he was heading in. Jist of what he's saying: Polish people are really lazy and only offer excuses and Have nothing to be proud and it's really annoying when they act proud. Basically trying to say, shut up serf learn your place and learn to respect your superiors The USA. Please give me a break, you have your own country to save. And yes I have lived in both countries and now I live in Canada.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #136
I didn't say respect your superiors...YOU and your confidence problem brought that out. I said accept that you are not a superpower and stop making excuses for everything.

And a Pole living in Canada acting all nationalistic about Poland....how original. Why is it Poles who live abroad are always blabbering about this kind of thing? Sell out.
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #137
It's common sense if you look at salaries vs real estate costs.

Figures please or stop bamboozling.

No I am not talking about ungrounded prejudice...I am talking about clear and obvious behaviors exhibited by certain cultures. You can try to dismiss it by calling it a stereotype with the negative connotation that has with it, but everyone knows it's true.

Yes I know this kind of knowledge: 'I know a guy who has an uncle in Poland who has bought a house in Poland, and who has so tiny salary, so he'll pay it off in 100 years. This guys are so irresponsible'

In my meaning stereotypes have no negative connotations they are just sociological facts which make life easier but not wiser, anyway.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #138
Figures please or stop bamboozling.

Go look out the front door genius. I am not your secretary.
McCoy 27 | 1,269
18 Feb 2010 #139
Define 'great nation' please

Poles
marqoz - | 195
18 Feb 2010 #140
And Marqoz you are deflecting as is so common with Poles.

So you're bulletproofed for arguments. Always ad personam. It's so unAmerican. ;-)

I am firmly confident that I am in the upper half at least :))

Don't bother. You can easily manage to catch it, if you only want.

Go look out the front door genius

But... It's very dark here, as you may know.

But the only foreclosure notice boards I've seen before houses for 10 years were in CNN reports from LA, SF and Nevada and lately in Spain during holidays.

I am not your secretary.

Is it a job placement proposal? ;-)
hague1cameron - | 85
18 Feb 2010 #141
I can go on for hours with fellow expats about the "Polish way" and we often have each other in stitches because there is so much that is "different" in Poland and it's rarely "better".
If you want to be respected start acting in a way that deserves it.

yes, there is nothing more endearing than expats getting together and ******** for HOURS about what a horrible people these Poles are.

[quote=beelzebub] Yet another example of the Polish knee jerk "blame someone else and deflect" tactic. It's inevitable. Can't you ever just say "yeah that's something we should work on" without saying "but"?]

As soon as they do that your ego grows tenfold, and you start telling everyone how they do it back home. And back home is not really doing all that well right now.

[quote=beelzebub] to illustrate the Polish trait of taking credit for something they didn't have anything to do with was a matter of coincidence that this all occurred while Poland was in this particular stage of it's economy. With the massive amounts of credit Poles live on]

Yes just like the American recession and abysmal economic performance is nothing more than a coincidence.

[quote=beelzebub] we ARE saying is that modern Polish culture has some huge changes it will have to undertake if it want's respect.]

That is coming from somebody from a nation whose idea of culture is a fat American in shorts getting up in the morning, and hoisting the flag on his or her front lawn. You can keep your respect to yourself, it takes culture to recognize culture.

[quote=beelzebub] the massive amounts of credit Poles live on]

what claptrap, have you forgotten from which country you come from.

[quote=beelzebub] Nobody is saying Polish genes are defective...]

And I suppose that is breaking it to them really gently.

Yes the Poles are a proud people, but they are better aware of their shortcomings than anybody else, so yes they might find it a bit personal coming from somebody who hasn't got a clue what they have been through pointing it out to them.
beelzebub - | 444
18 Feb 2010 #142
You just made about all of my points again and you aren't even wise enough to realize it. Bravo ;)
z_darius 14 | 3,968
18 Feb 2010 #143
You must be getting tired because I see nothing of the sort in his post.
This made me chuckle the most:

the massive amounts of credit Poles live on

As massive as the credit Americans live on? :)
Long time outside the good ole' US of A, huh?
tygrys 3 | 295
18 Feb 2010 #144
You just made about all of my points again and you aren't even wise enough to realize it. Bravo ;)

He's just an annoying old man. Don't let him get to you, he's got nothing better to do than bash America. Typical Polish racist
z_darius 14 | 3,968
18 Feb 2010 #145
Typical Polish racist

Why, other nations see Americans in a pretty similar way:

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fJuNgBkloFE

Heck, let's see what some brighter Americans think on the subject:
...
hague1cameron - | 85
18 Feb 2010 #146
Why, other nations see Americans in a pretty similar way:

Come on, surely that can't be fair, they were caught on the hop:)
jeden - | 226
18 Feb 2010 #147
You need our money. Without foreign investment you would be living in the dark ages. Get off your ego trip and accept your place in the world. You are not going to be in charge that's just life.

Don`t invest. Now we have our money. Ofcuz your investmants are helpful, but also you want to invest in Poland. ( cheap labour, low taxes, etc.)
skysoulmate 14 | 1,295
18 Feb 2010 #148
I understand what you are saying. Maybe I should crack open a history book or two. Sorry if I sound ignorant lol. But thanks for your advice.

You don't sound ignorant - you sound curious and that's a good thing.

As you can see this thread created lots of negativity so your relatives aren't as unique as you think... LOL

Seriously though - there's plenty to be proud of when it comes to being Polish - even if you've never been there or maybe haven't been there in years. Remember that Poland didn't have the luxury most of the Western world had after WWII when it comes to building a strong economy. The cold war put an end to that. Yet overall Poland is doing pretty well; sometimes I wonder if France or UK or Italy would've recovered from years of post WWII Soviet dominance as quickly as Poland did.

Flat tax, the Slovaks figured that one out. You earn money, you pay taxes. Get rid of deductions, you streamline the system. Just a flat clean 19%.

I like that idea but I also like a nationwide sales tax - this way even the illegal aliens would have to pay taxes...
Ironside 51 | 11,337
18 Feb 2010 #149
That's a long list...

if someone start like that I know that i not really about long list, its usually boils down to one major problem - you failed and blame the others for your shortcoming's- that list is simply a list of excuses you made to feel better about yourself!

It can even be a real obstacles but boy didn't you know about it before? Should make a field study then ......you lazy git!

From your elusive answer i suspect that you are talking about administration - well, administration in Poland has nothing to do with Poles its like a dinosaur, leftover monster from different dimension. Its kept alive because a few people can make a money and generally living because of that alien fossil, they would never been able sustain himself on the same financial level otherwise.

Monster is long dead but everyone is pretending that its alive and dangerous, some because they have no chose, some because they make a living that way, and some because they get used to it.

No wonder you are confused person, do not confuse Poland's institutions with poles anymore - that's the beauty of the country worlds biggest park for dead monster.
beelzebub - | 444
19 Feb 2010 #150
No wonder you are confused person

I am not confused at all. It's very clear to me you are exactly the kind of person I am talking about.


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