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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


pawian 200 | 21,491
21 Jan 2023 #1,981
And gun crime is low,

And the vast majority of British police officers don`t carry a gun. Amasing! Compared to American dirty harrys, they are bobbies.
traveler1 1 | 18
22 Jan 2023 #1,982
Gun control only takes guns from law abiding citizens. Mass shootings usually happen in gun-free zones, easy targets.

And almost all gun murders in America are done by one demographic: Africans. And in the strictest gun-controlled cities. Criminals don't care about the law. Hard facts.

Poland is safe because it's Polish. Nothing to do with guns.
Joker 3 | 3,157
22 Jan 2023 #1,983
And in the strictest gun-controlled cities.

The vast majority are Demorat controlled cities with the strictest laws, yet blacks seem to get their hands on them.

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johnny reb 40 | 8,625
27 Jan 2023 #1,984
Gun control only takes guns from law abiding citizens.

Exactly as they did in Australia but guess what.
There are now more private gun owners in Australia than there was before the gun take away !
See how well that worked. lol
What you say about that Amigo ?
Joker 3 | 3,157
27 Jan 2023 #1,985
Exactly as they did in Australia but guess what

Its too late for that now. If you take away the guns from law abiding citizens all the criminals will do the same. lol Only libtard fools believe this.

There are now more private gun owners

Biden would have to take them away by force and how many soldiers would actually follow his orders? ROFTL!

We went to the range today and I got to shoot Novi`s PC Charger. That thing is bad ass! The Eurps of PF dont know all the fun they're missing out on.
Lenka 3 | 3,076
27 Jan 2023 #1,986
you take away the guns

Biden would have to take them away

We don't have to take anything away and Biden can't do anything as this thread is about Poland
Joker 3 | 3,157
27 Jan 2023 #1,987
Biden can't do anything as this thread is about Poland

Then why cant everyone stop talking about the USA? Dont compare our country to yours or we can comment all we want.

Stop asking us for guns (weapons) and money all the time. Why should we fight your European battles?
Novichok 4 | 7,672
27 Jan 2023 #1,988
Let's cut it to the chase...

Citizenship starts with freedom of speech and the right to self-defense. We have it here and they don't over there. The rest is just lame rationalizations and cherry-picked stats.
Lenka 3 | 3,076
27 Jan 2023 #1,989
why cant everyone stop talking about the USA?

It's mostly you Americans that keep banging on about it.
And even when we compare it's not to change American laws but to see if that is a model Poles would want. We do not care what USA will do with their laws, Biden etc.

Stop asking us for guns (weapons) and money all the time.

Poland asks for weapons and money? And what that has to do with gun laws in Poland?

We have it here

And keep it that way, just stop boring us with it.
johnny reb 40 | 8,625
27 Jan 2023 #1,990
when we compare it's not to change American laws but to see if that is a model Poles would want.

WE ?
All 'we' have here is three or four Polish & British Liberal Gun Grabbers that keep repeating themselves over and over.
Yes Lenka, Pawian, joun and Milo, we know that you are anti-gun but we would like to hear from pro-gun opinions of those that would like to have that freedom in Poland.

Sad that all those people have been run out of here by the "old Liberal gang".
How else would a Pole know about such a freedom if 'we' were not here to challenge (democracy) the Liberals propaganda to ensure their dictatorial agenda ?
pawian 200 | 21,491
27 Jan 2023 #1,991
we would like to hear from pro-gun opinions of those that would like to have that freedom in Poland.

GefreiterKania is a pro gun member. Probably Cojest, too. I can`t remember anybody else. So, it shows that most Poles sensibly realise guns wouldn`t change anything for better, they would only do more harm.

Sad that all those people have been run out of here

But you love bragging of running people out of here. Why such a hypo you are??? :):)
Lenka 3 | 3,076
27 Jan 2023 #1,992
GefreiterKania is a pro gun member. Probably Cojest, too.

Pro gun is still included in the thread. What isn't is banging on about USA situation.
johnny reb 40 | 8,625
27 Jan 2023 #1,993
they would only do more harm.

I did have to agree once I looked at the big picture of Poland with high alcoholism in public, hooligan allowed to be out of control and and did you hear about the knife attack in Britain (or was it Germany) yesterday ?

But you love bragging of running people out of here.

Yes, as many Liberal Woke school teachers that I can to keep things in balance. Simple
We know how you like to promote balance here.
pawian 200 | 21,491
27 Jan 2023 #1,994
about USA situation.

We need to mention it from time to time coz there was another massacre in the USA a few days ago. 7 dead, a dozen injured. Sick country.......

Poles know what they do when they oppose guns....
johnny reb 40 | 8,625
27 Jan 2023 #1,995
Sick country.......

Murders in Poland were down by one-fifth last year compared to 2021, the newspaper Rzeczpospolita has reported.
In 2022, there were 507 murders in Poland, 127 fewer than a year earlier, the daily wrote on Wednesday citing date from the National Police.
Can you imagine what it would be if these defenseless people could shoot back to defend themselves !
Novichok 4 | 7,672
27 Jan 2023 #1,996
There is no cause and effect between guns and crime. There is a cause and effect between blacks and crime.
The lowest crime rate is at the police stations where everybody is packing.

Can you imagine what it would be if these defenseless people could shoot back to defend themselves !

Slaves are not allowed to shoot back. They need permission to do it.
pawian 200 | 21,491
27 Jan 2023 #1,997
There is a cause and effect between blacks and crime.

As you have made your bed, so you must lie in it. Whites imported blacks from Africa by millions, now you have to take the responsibility for your past actions. Isn`t it simple?

Slaves

Yes, black slaves who became American citizens. Take care of them now.
pawian 200 | 21,491
27 Jan 2023 #1,998
Can you imagine what it would be if these defenseless people could shoot back to defend themselves !

Yes, their guns would be soon stolen or lost and acquired by criminals, resulting in the dramatic increase of the murder statistics.

In 2022, there were 507 murders in Poland,

While in the USA, about 20.000. Nice. Thank you very much. :):):)
Novichok 4 | 7,672
27 Jan 2023 #1,999
...resulting in the dramatic increase of the murder statistics.

Bullsh*it. The number of guns in the US has gone way up in the last 20 years (on average 8 million per year) and the murder rate has gone down.

Guns sold per 1000 residents in 2020:

DC - 6 (the lowest in the US). New Hampshire - 150 (10th highest in the US)

Murder rate per 100,000 in 2020:

DC - 28 (the highest in the US). New Hampshire - 0.9 (the lowest in the US)

Murder rates for reference:

Poland - 0.7
Denmark - 1.0
Sweden - 1.2
France - 1.3

Question: Why am I wasting my time on another ignorant Polak?
Answer: Ain't got no fu*cking idea...
johnny reb 40 | 8,625
28 Jan 2023 #2,000
Slaves are not allowed to shoot back.

The European Bootlickers have been dumbed down by being indoctrinated that they are not "allowed" to defend themselves.
America on the other hand was founded on God and Guns.
Something these Woke Pussies have no clue of.
They don't understand that God, Guns and Freedom are in America's D.N.A.
pawian 200 | 21,491
28 Jan 2023 #2,001
They don't understand that God, Guns and Freedom are in America's D.N.A.

God, Guns, Freedom and Massacres are Am DNA. ::):):)
johnny reb 40 | 8,625
28 Jan 2023 #2,002
Really ?

God, Guns, Freedom and Massacres are Am DNA. ::):):)

More people have been massacred in Poland than have been in the United States.
The difference is the people in the United States had guns to defend themselves and Poland didn't. ::):):)
Barney 15 | 1,508
28 Jan 2023 #2,003
More people have been massacred in Poland than have been in the United States

The estimated deaths during the US (native population) genocide range up to fifteen million however we will never know because you never bothered counting the dead.

Its improbable that you have any figures to back up your claim
pawian 200 | 21,491
1 Feb 2023 #2,004
The latest news is that a 14 year old boy found a WW2 carbine in the forest and accidentally wounded his sister while cleaning the iron. She is in a serious condition.

if the law changes, I imagine hundreds of such accidents each year when kids find parents` guns and start playing with them.

The police are explaining the circumstances of the incident. It is not yet known how the 11-year-old was shot
The RMF24 portal reported that the police talked to the boy right after the accident. He said he found the rifle in the woods. "The shot occurred while cleaning the gun. It was an accident because the rifle just suddenly went off," the portal wrote.

Kashub1410 5 | 517
1 Feb 2023 #2,005
@pawian
Amateurs around weapons are the gravest dangers, as shown quite clearly in your post.

Which is why gun owners should have them locked up in safe locker rooms, kids being taught how to handle weapons from a young age with wooden made looking weapons that cannot fire.

Or simply weak rubber/wood sticks swords as to know how to behave with weapons. Banning weapons momentarily is done in critical situations as to cool off hot heads from stabbing each other.

Problem in Poland is that hotheads are a constant, not an irregularity! :)

Boy Scouts should add practice with swords/firearms as to avoid such situations I think (with use of non-lethal weaponry)
pawian 200 | 21,491
1 Feb 2023 #2,006
kids being taught how to handle weapons from a young age

Like in America. Schwarzenegger cop comes to kindergarten and teaches kids how to handle guns. I know coz I watched it in a film.
But in Poland it would require to change the mentality of millions and before the results bring effect, there would be hundreds if not thousands accidents.

Thank you.
Kashub1410 5 | 517
1 Feb 2023 #2,007
@pawian
Yeah, I know. It's not an overnight process, and a government policy change would be too quick
pawian 200 | 21,491
1 Feb 2023 #2,008
14 year old boy found a WW2 carbine in the forest and accidentally wounded his sister

The latest finding is that the boy took the WW2 carbine that his father had found in the woods earlier and kept in the house. While playing with it, brother shot at his sister.

Both father and son have been detained for further investigation.

This still corroborates my theory that giving guns to Poles will end with national massacre.

And I am not alone.

Poles do not want easier access to firearms
IBRiS researched for Radio Zet what Poles think about the idea of ‚Äč‚Äčeasier access to firearms. A total of 29 percent viewed the initiative favorably, of which 15 percent "definitely". The supporters of the ruling right wing coalition are more in favor of liberalizing the regulations than the opposition. On the other hand, 65 percent respondents, of whom 33 percent "strongly" said they were opposed to facilitating access to guns. 6 percent respondents have no opinion on this matter.

Kashub1410 5 | 517
2 Feb 2023 #2,009
@pawian
If there were clubs for shooting, it would be a safe place to deposit it or have a place to lock it up.

Most Polish households don't have such possibility nor sheds with coded safe or cellars adequate to stock up items that are not meant for children.

So for most part it will continue to be strictly regulated and controlled by the government as far as I can see it

For it to change, it would require more responsible men in Poland for it even to become an option
pawian 200 | 21,491
2 Feb 2023 #2,010
with coded safe

About 15 years ago I was teaching at a hunter`s house - he had a safe for his hunting rifle. One day I come and see a hole in the wall and the safe missing. They told me the house had been broken into and the burglars had only taken the safe which they had simply ripped off from the wall with crowbars.

It took place in broad daylight while everybody in the family was at work or school. And the neighbours didn`t hear or notice anything.

I guess such cases when burglars target guns mainly would be quite frequent under new laws.


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