The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

Railway station?

You did however say that: "Neither would have required a gun, but the one at the train (sic) station was sketchy enough.... easily escalated into a situation ...been warranted."

Yet no situation since that railway station was built has involved people using guns. Thousands use it every day without ever feeling the need to think about guns

Would you carry a gun in Poland? Why? Are you that unlucky?

Welcome to the club of the rest of us Americans PolAm.
We all have told him those same exact words many times.


How many times have the good guys here used the words, "responsible gun owners" and "law abiding citizens".?
Do the hools in Poland fit that description ?
Do the gangbangers in America fit that description ?


Tell us, how would you defend yourself against a guy high on drugs brandishing a knife, joun ?
You seem to keep avoiding that question for some reason.

They don't have guns.

Because Poland has strong and effective gun control laws.


We don't have those either, fortunately.

Perhaps where you live. Not where I live.

Precisely as they shouldn't because they are not resposible or law abiding citizens.


You seem to be having a hard time answering that question, joun, try again.


Nope not where I live either and PolAm suggested quite differently than you and he is much more credible than you are trying by to control the narrative here with your endless repeating the same thing over and over and over.

Or how did PolAm put it.......

[quote=PolAmKrakow]Everything you comment on is completely twisted and any conversation with you is just a waste of time. Enjoy your day.
I concur with PolAm

It's a pointless question, so go whistle.

As you were told, guns are not a problem in Poland.

Due to very effective gun laws and very low levels of gun crime.

That is why there are no significant calls to weaken the law.

Interesting that the only people on here advocating for a deterioration in the law are people from a country with extremely high levels of gun crime. Fortunately Poland is a better and safer place to live.

For Poland I would not overestimate the role of laws (since when do Polish people follow laws they don't agree with?)

Nor would I underestimate the question of culture (since Polish people generally don't glamorize violent crime or criminals) it's the same question of why the 1990s mafias in Poland were so.... puny an ineffective compared to those further East....

On the contrary joun, we want to know what the alternative of a gun would be for self defense if one or two crazed druggies with big knives decided they want to cut you up.

How would you defend yourself without having a gun ? Simple
So the question is not pointless as that is just another of your copouts.


Yes,, you have repeated that twenty five times now for a redirect when your collar starts getting tight.
Now back to the question as we all would like to know what your alternative would be to immobilize a couple of whacked out people that wanted to cut you up with a knife.

Hypothetically joun, what would you do to stop them if you had no means of escape ?

I wasn't writing about gun ownership, but about training. You don't have to own a gun in order to learn how to use it. You can go to a shooting range and pay for training and practice there. It is estimated that there are around 450 shooting ranges opened to the public in Poland and they're being stormed by people wanting to learn how to use a gun since the RuSSian invasion of Ukraine began:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Polacy-siegneli-po-bron-i-oblegaja-strzelnice-8304667.html


If that was a common/serious problem in Poland I would probably be the first to get myself a gun. But it simply isn't. Usually the people who have to deal with such cases are police officers and they do have guns. But having a gun in Poland is one thing and using it - is another matter. Even police officers get into trouble because of using a gun during dangerous situations in Poland - I find this more worrying than gun ownership laws. I don't want Polish police officers to be afraid to use guns when it's necessary, especially when someone's life is in danger (most often theirs)...

This is key. there isn't an urban gun culture in PL. Long may that remain.


Great fun to do, however the crime levels in Poland simply don't merit changing the law.

I've seen a couple of (seemingly private) people with guns in public over the years... but it's pretty.... rare.

Exactly. That is why I am not afraid a potential attacker or robber or mugger etc will carry a gun. Most probably it will be bare hands or a knife. In such situations I am ready to show them my John Rambo knife and expect a similar result as in Crocodile Dundee 1 this is not a knife scene:

youtu.be/dSnosk4tWrg

will

Excellent Paulina as you are very much on track here.
Same in the U.S.
This is why the tuff guy morons with a gun get killed.
They pull it and brandish it to intimidate someone only that someone feels their life is about to end by this loudmouth so the loudmouth gets dusted.


Echo - echo - echo
Wishful thinking to suit your personal agenda AGAIN joun ?

To suit Poland"s norms, culture and safety.

Yes and it looks like Poland needs to build more shooting ranges because of the huge appetite for guns.


That tells us that the laws will start getting more lacks soon.
Right now as I read this thread there are only "about" six people here that are grounded enough with common sense to have the privilege to own and carry a gun.

Paulina, Lenka, joun, Maf, Cargo, PolAm, and myself.
The rest are clueless cowboys that no doubt would find themselves in a heap of shlt if they carried in public.

That's not wishful thinking, but the reality we're living in Poland. Maybe it will change in the future (I hope not), but for now I don't see that happening.


I don't think so. This is the latest poll - from October 2022:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sprawdzili-czy-polacy-chca-dostepu-do-broni-wyniki-badania-zaskakuja/g95yg4l

70% of Poles don't want the gun laws in Poland to be liberalised. 57,3% think that more lax gun laws would decrease their sense of security - it would make them feel less safe.

What are the chances of needing a parachute when going up in an airplane ?
Most likely you will never need it but it sure is nice to have one if you do.


Another one that thinks bringing his fist to a knife fight would be fair. oh ja ja !


Half of the States in the U.S. allow you to carry a gun without a license.

Last year I flew maybe 50 times. I didn't take a parachute once.

I said option 1 - run, option 2 fist fight. But escalating a situation with a gun might mean a worse injury or innocent people getting hurt - in fact there have been several such incidents in the UK where gun crime is getting worse.

Yes, things escalate quickly in the Wild West while Poland is All Quiet on the Eastern Front.


Ooops, think about this pollution your flights generated..... :):)

@PolAmKrakow


No, you are missing the point.


We don't have that problem here.....get that through your very thick skull!

As we don't have that pronlem, we don't need guns, simple.
You react to that problem by arming yourselves to the teeth instead of addressing the problem......it's pathetic.....grab a brain!!!!!

@Coleslaw
I didn't say you did. you keep saying that to avoid answering my question.
What I said was.......
No, you are still missing the point to avoid answering a very simple question presented to joun.
"What would you do to defend yourself against a knife wielding druggie higher than a kite ?"
And your answer to that question is ?

My answer is that I don't need to, because I don't live in a country where that is a problem.
Your problem, your choice.
Rather than getting machine guns all around my house I would prefer to address the problem.....why does America have so many violent drug addicts?

My question though was what if you did need to.
All you have done so far is stutter.
No wait, that question was to joun and not you.

You keep on banging on like an ignoramous!
I have already answered your question, if you are too thick to understand then that is your problem!

You answer my question.

Why does America have so many violent drug addicts?

The hell you have.
Try again.


I can understand that because that is the way it has been in Poland.
Here in the U.S. I grew up with hunting guns hanging on the walls and a loaded one by the front door.
So yes, I understand why Polish people would feel less secure than they do now.
Damn Paulina, you are a breath of fresh air in explaining who, what and why without condescending and diminishing remarks for the sake of argument............in this thread anyways. :-)

Bollox!
I answered your question and if you are too cowardly to answer mine then this conversation is over.

Just to remind your short term memory of my question, this was it.

Why does America have so many violent drug addicts?

The hell you did and don't forget what it was......
"What would you do to defend yourself against a knife wielding druggie higher than a kite ?"
I will even simplify it for you in a multiple choice
A. Let him stick you so he could watch you bleed out
B. You watch him rape your wife while he had the knife to her throat
C. Stand there like a coward wetting your pants

Are you really thick?
I already answered that question in post 1881.
But you didn't answer mine.

Why does America have so many violent drug addicts?

The hell you did.
You won't begin to touch because I got your ears pinned to the wall with it.
"What would you do to defend yourself against a knife wielding druggie higher than a kite ?"
And your answer is ?

Read my post 1881 dumbhead......I have had enough of your bonehead stupidity now....answer my question, for the third or fourth time of asking(I am losing count now!)

Why does America have so many violent drug addicts?

I did and nowhere have you answered my question which is: "What would you do to defend yourself against a knife wielding druggie higher than a kite ?"

Are you starting to feel like you wet your diaper because you have that look on your face right now.