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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


cms neuf - | 1,579
22 Feb 2020 #1,411
State ? Coroners ? 911 ?

Oh I get it - you are talking about a different country. America maybe ? But this is a thread about Poland so maybe you can find some US forum for your paid trolling

Didn't the Russians infiltrate the NRA ? Sure I was reading that somewhere
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
22 Feb 2020 #1,412
Don't try to impose daft American mentality on Europeans, because it just won't work....

I dont have to. The western europeans are doing it by inviting in hordes of rapefugees. Poles see whats going on next door and its a fact that year over year there has been gradually more support for loosening gun laws.

Just because western europeans are so cucked that not only are they being displaced but theyre too scared to do anything about it or even have a way to defend themselves doesnt mean others shouldnt. Its sad the w euro men have more of an aversion to weapons that even most the women i know. Lol can you imagine a guy in the renaissance being scared of swords and black powder guns and not wanting people to own them? Theyd laugh at the guy and think hes less of a man. Thats what i think of whenever i hear of males who are against guns. Women i can understand but a man having an aversion to weapons? Thats just totally unnatural and goes against millenia of manhood and what a man is supposed to do first and foremost - provide and protect.

We Europeans have seen what a disaster your gun laws are and I think many Americans are starting to see that too.

Its not the gun laws that cause the disaster in the usa - its black people. FBI stats provw that.

And fyi, switzerland, czech republic, etc have high rates of gun ownership. Do you see mass shootings and a bunch of violent crime? No of course not. Bc theres not much kebab and africans. Its not the gun that matters its the owner. Meanwhile france, united kaliphate, germanistan and the other cucked w euro countries have strict gun laws and more violent crime. Gun laws dont stop violent crimes one bit and thats proven in countries all around the world. If someone wants a gun or other weapon theyll obtain it regardless and if they want ro hurt or kill they can do it without a gun.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
22 Feb 2020 #1,413
If guns cause crime, police stations would be the highest crime spots. The opposite is true.
jon357 66 | 16,187
24 Feb 2020 #1,414
There is no vote suppression - we have an election in May and any of the candidates are welcome to put looser gun laws

Indeed. There's simply no support for it.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
24 Feb 2020 #1,415
Is Poland a "stand your ground" state or, like the weasel Western Europe, don't you dare resist and, God forbid, hurt the attacker, especially if he is a migrant?
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
24 Feb 2020 #1,416
Thats what i think of whenever i hear of males who are against guns

LOL!!
In your book a man with a gun shows his masculinity...... So childish.....
In my book, a man who feels he needs a gun to protect himself and his family is a wimp....
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,417
Which one makes him a wimp? "Gun", "protect", or "family"?
Is the implication that a man who calls the police to defend his family is not a wimp?
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
25 Feb 2020 #1,418
Which one makes him a wimp? "Gun"

Gun.

How many times have you been burgled and were they always armed?
JackRussel
25 Feb 2020 #1,419
Oh 'Murricans! Running away from the Evil Empire, only to ruin other countries by making them similar to the place they escaped. USA is no longer that great state from the 40s and 50s. You're overworked to craziness from the corporate elites. Guns are good when the population is not treated like work slaves. :) Poles are also overworked (outsourcing!), no need for guns.
cms neuf - | 1,579
25 Feb 2020 #1,420
Poles are overworked ?

Not sure if you've ever been in an out sourcing business but it is a bunch of desks, some telephones, some laptops and a coffee machine -

It's not interesting but the pay is Ok and you get to turn off when you leave

it is not comparable to some 19 century coal mine.
JackRussel
25 Feb 2020 #1,421
Yes, I constantly suffer in outsourcing since 2017 (4 different companies in 3 different CEE countries). It pays well but it's dead end. Good luck getting promoted with 50+ others wanting the same.

Office politics, micromanagement, drama, etc. Especially now when I get American client calls, many are rude or even abusive. In the US only high school dropouts do those jobs. Anyone with a uni degree should strive for something better than to be one of Accenture, Citi, Shell, IBM, Pfizer etc. Excel monkeys.

It's stressful - 2 coworkers dead for a 6 month period. One had a stroke in the floor BTW.

But at least here people are waking up - more and more prefer to do these jobs only on part-time basis (so 4 to 6 hrs per work day instead of 8). One has to be really crazy to put up with 90+ calls with entitled clients daily. I'm shifting down to 4hrs.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,422
How many times have you been burgled and were they always armed?

How many times has the UK been attacked and found its nukes useful?
The answer: 0. This is how it's supposed to work. It's called "deterrent". And that is why the virtue signalling leftists moron - who so proudly declare the American schools to be "gun free zones" - NEVER virtue signal that their homes are gun-free zones. NEVER.

I just answered your question, so please answer mine: What relevance does "always armed" have to my earlier decision to get armed?
If I don't buy a gun, am I supposed to post a sign: Only Unarmed Burglars Are Allowed or am I supposed to count on that the burglar obeys the gun laws and is not armed?

Connect those dots for me.
Lenka 3 | 2,353
25 Feb 2020 #1,423
American schools to be "gun free zones" - NEVER virtue signal that their homes are gun-free zones. NEVER.

And you think it's normal that someone has to make a school a gun free zone?

The fact is that I have been on this forum for quite a while now and it was always the same merry-go-round. I was always told to wait and see because real soon people will demand the guns etc. Well, it's been 10 years already- anyone has any estimation or shall I forget ir for my life time :)
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
25 Feb 2020 #1,424
I just answered your question,

No you didn't.

So I won't answer yours as it was a daft question.
I understand insurance.
You want a gun, just in case.
But this is all a question of being proportionate.
How much do you insure your $2 million house for?
Me?$3 million.You $20 million,just in case.
We all take risks in our lives.
Driving at 70 mph on an open road on a nice day is pretty safe.But you might get a blow out.......... still overall a minor risk.

You would be the guy doing 30 mph, just in case.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,425
But this is all a question of being proportionate.

BS. When it comes to my life, nothing is off the table and I don't want to be "proportionate". I want clear advantage and the perp dead so I will not have he-said-he said later when I am sued by the moron.

It is clear that you are clueless what guns are for. The last thing is to kill. Their value is in making the bad guys run. According to some stats, there are a couple of million cases a year where a gun was used to accomplish just that - with no shots fired and nobody getting hurt.

A gun-hating weasel will judge guns and gun owners only on the basis of the C-grade movies where everybody has a full-auto and infinite supply of ammo.
Tacitus 2 | 1,146
25 Feb 2020 #1,426
Rich is not just disproportionate in his desire for safety. He is supporting laws that are actually making his life more dangerous without owning a gun himself. Furthermore he is also putting his family ar risk by owning a gun. He is more likely to injure/kill them with it than defending them against a possible intruder.
johnny reb 28 | 4,574
25 Feb 2020 #1,427
You have one hell of a terrific imagination.
Here are the facts of the matter with a very credible source.

Read the part about Restraining the Power of Government
It may seem ridiculous to think that in today's world, citizens could rise up against the government simply because of privately owned guns. Yet the argument stands that citizens having guns does restrain the power of government. History has shown that when gun restrictions and bans are implemented, it leads to tyranny.

ammo.com/articles/gun-ownership-in-america

You Eurps are such brainwashed sheep.
Tacitus 2 | 1,146
25 Feb 2020 #1,428
Might as well say about you Americans when you believe this ridiculous nonsense. What this scenario completely ignores that a hypothetical "tyrannical" government is likely not some foreign entity, but one that will have significant support from the population, or else it would not be in that position. That some guns would make a difference against a foe that additionally will have drones, jets et al. is ludicrous. Then again you Americans have been brainwashed enough by the NRA to accept maass shootings as a daily part of your life, so no surprise there.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
25 Feb 2020 #1,429
@Tacitus

I am with you 100% here.
I can't avoid the feeling that some of these guys feel a sort of machismo about owning guns.
It is truly childish and pathetic.
If the intruder to their homes was armed and serious he would probably shoot them dead in their beds before they woke up.
If they did wake up, what are the chances that they would find their gun, load it and shoot first?
Zilch......
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,430
History has shown that when gun restrictions and bans are implemented, it leads to tyranny.

Or the other way around: tyranny leading to gun bans.
Bottom like: tyranny loves guns but only in the tyrants' hands. Slaves, like the weasels in Europe, are not allowed to be armed. But that is not the worst of it which is that, as you just said, our Euros are actually proud of their weaseldom. To them, a guy with a gun is a wimp. I will talk to some gangbangers to see if they agree.

You Eurpo are such brainwashed sheep.

....and that is why they disgust me and that is why feel nothing but contempt for them.

Furthermore he is also putting his family at risk by owning a gun.

Every woman puts herself and her family at risk by having those idiotic pointy and totally useless knives in the kitchen. When did you have to stab anything to need them?

He is more likely to injure/kill them with it than defending them against a possible intruder.

You and the other Euro weasels can't have both ways. Either we - like you - have home intruders or we don't. So, here is the simple logic:

If we don't, my gun will be safely under lock and never pose danger. If we do, mine will die. In your case, you will. After that, your wife will be raped and her throat slashed. Any kids? They will die too to make sure they will never be witnesses.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
25 Feb 2020 #1,431
....and that is why they disgust me and that is why feel nothing but contempt for them

That's really funny, because the reverse is true too....

If we don't, my gun will be safely under lock

If it is under lock it is of no use.
If it is out and loaded your grandchild might shoot you in a terrible accident. .... you gun guys are nuts....
Lenka 3 | 2,353
25 Feb 2020 #1,432
those idiotic pointy and totally useless knives in the kitchen.

Every day when I'm preparing meals?
I guess you can do a lot of useful things with your gun too if you are creative enough. Hammering? Throwing it into a basket....
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,434
If it is out and loaded your grandchild might shoot you in a terrible accident. .

No, Milo. 1. When my granddaughters come to visit, the gun goes into a closet and on the top shelf. 2. Even if left it in the nightstand, they would have to chamber it - the task even a grown man finds not easy, find the safety, push it up and squeeze the trigger - the task not easily done considering the force it takes.

If I gave you that gun, you wouldn't know how to fire. An 8-yo girl even less so. That is if she could even get hold of it.

these guys feel a sort of machismo about owning guns.

Nothing to do with machismo and everything to do with the fear of being powerless, the feeling the Euro weasels must love right along with the feeling that some higher power is watching after you and will come to rescue. Newsflash: there is no such power and nobody is coming.

Bottom-line difference: you can only beg to stay alive. We shoot and the perps know it.
Now, who is the wimp.

Every day when I'm preparing meals?

What did you stab last time? I DID NOT say CUT.
Paulwiz 1 | 70
25 Feb 2020 #1,435
Back in the 80's I had a casual friend, Doug, who was a gunsmith. Doug's wife, Chris, worked in a furniture store. Doug and Chris had been at another friend's house for dinner. They arrived back home fairly late. They were just going into their house when a co-worker of Chris showed up at the door. The co-worker, Wayne, was a pretty big guy who worked as a furniture delivery man. Wayne said he was driving in the neighborhood when his car broke down. He asked if he could use their phone. They showed him where the phone was and continued bringing stuff in from their car.

Doug brought in a rifle, ammunition and some other stuff he had in his car and took them to the basement. Chris took some stuff upstairs to put it away. When Doug came up from the basement, Wayne hit him over the head, knocking him out. Wayne dragged Doug back to the basement. Wayne then went upstairs, beat up Chris and tied her to the bed. He then ran back to the basement where Doug was starting to wake up. He stabbed Doug several times, then ran back up to tie Chris up since she had started to get loose.

Doug revived enough to grab the rifle he had just brought in, loaded.it and headed back up to stop Wayne. They met on the stairs. Doug emptied the rifle into Wayne, and seeing that he was still alive, broke the rifle stock over Wayne's head. He then went up, released Chris and called the police.

The police found that Wayne was a serial murderer and was responsible for several unsolved murders. The incident is documented in the book To Kill and Kill Again.
Miloslaw 8 | 2,418
25 Feb 2020 #1,436
Now, who is the wimp

You are.
Because now I know that the time to attack your house is when your granddaughters are visiting......
You just don't see it, and most Americans don't but your arguments just don't hold water.
And insulting Europeans by calling them weasels just weakens your argument.
Lenka 3 | 2,353
25 Feb 2020 #1,437
What did you stab last time? I DID NOT say CUT.

You don't cook do you?
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,438
Don't screw with me by answering my question with yours. I am old but not stupid to play that game.
Lenka 3 | 2,353
25 Feb 2020 #1,439
For my dinner I was slicing the tomato and made small cuts with the pointy tip so the blade goes in nicely. For lunch I was preparing chicken and was removing 'błony' and traces of blood with the tip as well as cutting out oczka (black spots) from potatoes. Enough or do you need more?

Btw- why fixate on the pointy top? The knife is dangerous all around...
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
25 Feb 2020 #1,440
Still playing stupid....That will not get you far. From abajournal.com/news/article/uk_judge_calls_for_ban_on_pointed_knives_to_reduce_stabbing_deaths

UK judge calls for ban on pointed kitchen knives to reduce stabbing deaths
"Why we do need eight-inch or 10-inch kitchen knives with points?" he asked. "Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an eight-inch or 10-inch knife? Rarely, if at all."

In the year that ended in March 2017, the nation recorded 215 fatal stabbings, according to the Telegraph.


Hey, cooking genius, what you described can be done with a knife that is one inch long. Duh!!!


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