The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

@cms

Where did you get the number or 160? In 2016 135 officers were killed in the United States, 64 of them were firearms related deaths.

npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/30/507536360/number-of-police-officers-killed-by-firearms-rose-in-2016-study-finds

Firearms were used 338,000 times last year to stop forcible felonies, nationwide.

LOL trusty Wikipedia :)

Well, according to the least data about 57% of Poles would like to own a gun.

Unfortunately PiS is not different in this regard to other parties, they're control freaks and won't pass a necessary legislation.

Where did you see that, IS?

The Polish people are sheltered from such statistics.
They are only force fed by the anti's the mass gun murders happening by the mentally ill or terrorists.
They don't get the news when someone saves a cops life because they happen to have their huckleberry with them as in this case.

dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/good-gal-with-a-gun-stops-wannabe-cop-killer-video

I was shocked to learn that there are about 500,000 privately owned, legal guns in Poland.
That told me that the people in Poland do want to own guns.

Even if they want to they can not - its going to remian strictly controlled, just as the Polish public wants

Has it ever been put to a public vote to verify your opinion ?

As said a few posts up 86 percent of Poles in a poll are against it.

No major party has ever included looser gun laws in their election manifesto. Only Kukiz has ever mentioned it.

I'm sure there are gun nut forums you can visit to discuss your love of guns.

We don't need guns. We don't need armed security men in schools (who then wet their pants and hide like babies when a real shooter turns up), nor do we need Americans telling us that we need guns.

How many is a few ?
Maybe you could help me out with the number of that post.
I did see where Ironside said that 57% of Poles in the last data (post #1263) wanted private gun owner ship.

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You will have to ask Ironside about his data - he does not give his source

That is really not an issue in the UK or indeed most of Europe. The death penalty was abolished many years ago in the UK and there has never been any appetite for bringing it back. Most of the issues you refer to would be encompassed by the question in the survey "Do you support Conservatism?" If you want to do the in-depth survey, you can sign up for it.

In Poland it it legal for every adult with Polish citizenship to go to a local shooting range and fire a gun [with a regular ammo] under a supervision of a professional instructor. That also applies to an assault rifles such as Kalashnikov/Beryl not only pistols.

Back in Poland I was a regular member and I believe that every adult, or at least every man, should know to handle a gun [how to unlock it, reload it, clean it, repair it when it gets jammed] and how to shoot straight.

I believe the gun law should be liberalized since criminals own weapons anyway, and they don't care much whether it's legal or not, but regular law abiding citizens are defenseless.

Guns are hardly used in crime in Poland. The handful of incidents that do occur are hardly worth liberalising gun laws for.

The current situation in Poland is fine, especially as gun owners are subjected to frequent unannounced checks.

Slightly to the left of Barack Obama :-)

In the Poll they put me with Victor Orban......make what you want of that!

As to gun law.....

You only need to know how to use and posess a gun if you feel that you need one to defend yourself or your loved ones.

The fact that most Europeans don't feel that need and most Americans do,say's it all really.

Typical British Yorkie , yelping and jumping around Donaldus Magnus ankles ,sadly ,able to reach the sole of his shoes

Nasz kraj nasze zasady

As a proud Pole you should no that means no guns unless you want to join the hunting club and be tested by a shrink

To the left? is that even possible?. Just think , community organizer ( leftist agitator) , follower of Alinsky, that's only small percentage of his "achievements"

that's because europe has less gun crimes and murders. yet right after the nye rapes in germany all the self defense stores sold out of batons, mace, gas pistols, etc. im sure the french living near calais would feel much safer with a gun at home.

@cms neuf

tgere are 3 ways to get a gun - hunting, sport and self defense with self defense being the most restrictive. the one for hunting is straightforward and aside from a simple psych check its the same process as the usa for cc/foid.

and actually since 2014 the number of guns in private hands doubled in poland

I'm not British.

how many people have referred to you as 'Angielka'...... twice?

If at first you don't secede, try, try again:-)

Wrong. Most Europeans have not choice in this matter- treated by their ruling class like peasants and yokeless.

Really?
Where do you live then?

I told you, don't ask, I don't tell. It ain't a requirement on this Forum.

You don't even respond to pm, (no manners), so don't ask questions that have little to do with the issue on hand.


Really. IF there was a choice i.e. people could own and quire guns without harsh restrictions then and only then their shopping habits would indicate whether they do not feel a need to buy a gun. Logic.

the funny thing is every gun grabber only talks about taking guns away legal owners and making it more difficult to acquiire legally. NEVER do they talk about how theyre going to take away guns from criminals who cant legally own gubs - who are responsible for most murders and gun crimes, not legal owners. i have yet to hear a leftist politician or any leftist gun grabber talk about how theyre going to go into the ghetto and seize all the guns from illegal owners, or even preventing criminals from buying guns. you know why they never talk about that? because its cheap political points going after legal gun owners and 2nd amendment supporters who are mostly conservatives. theyll never talk about going into a violent ghetto, where liberals have far more support than conservatives, and cops seizing illegal guns. its a no win situation with these ghettos and they kmow it. when the ghetto dwellers shoot each other non stop amd theres no cops around they complain the police arent present. when the cops go into the area, they talk about how the cops are harassing people. same old b.s.

I like the logic that if we don't need a gun because we have the police then we don't need a fire extinguisher because we have firefighters.

Well excepting that fires are started by accident, can even e started from lightening. Fire extinguishers are easy to use - takes a minute to learn and they are not dangerous. Fire extinguishers save far more lives than guns. Fire extinguishers can not be used in bank robberies or gang violence and in the wrong hands they are not deadly weapons

Not the best metaphor really.

We have a presidential election coming up - no candidate is going to suggest guns are a good idea because we see the high death rates in the US.

If you answer try and leave London and Muslims out of it and tell us what the situation is like in Bytom or Elblag.