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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


Joker 2 | 1,285
3 Dec 2017 #1,231
I wonder why he has 357 at the end of his moniker since he hates guns so much.

Ignorance is bliss:)
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,232
What 'brainwashing' is that? People rarely mention guns; they aren't an issue.

mass non-compliance with all gun and knife laws

That just isn't going to happen. The overwhelming majority there are happy with the current laws.
johnny reb 28 | 4,574
3 Dec 2017 #1,233
So you say but given the opportunity they may be even happier.
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,234
may

Or may not, since it isn't an issue there.
johnny reb 28 | 4,574
3 Dec 2017 #1,235
.... yeah I watch the world news jon, they don't look real happy to me out on the streets protesting something or other every day.

Just wait until the next generation of the invaders start demanding their rights.
You will wish like hell you had a gun then.
Hide and watch.
Sometimes it's better not to write things online when you've had a few jon.
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,236
protesting something or other every day.

Something, not guns - it simply isn't a political issue over there.
johnny reb 28 | 4,574
3 Dec 2017 #1,237
I cant remember saying it was or did you say that ?
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,238
Don't be daft JR.

Anyway, there's no appetite either there or in PL for gun ownership.
SigSauer 4 | 413
3 Dec 2017 #1,239
@jon357

I think everyone here respects the wishes of the Polish population not to own guns, and in turn everyone else ought to respect the right of our country to have widespread gun ownership via our 2nd amendment. That's the beauty of sovereignty and having so many nations on Earth.
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,240
That's the beauty of sovereignty

It is indeed. Odd that a handful of people here would wish to see US-style gun laws in PL, especially since such laws are a failure there.
idem - | 135
3 Dec 2017 #1,241
I think everyone here respects the wishes of the Polish population not to own guns...

Wise words.European are not used to guns in USA it is part of your culture and it is fine to stay how it is.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,242
@idem

Guns aren't sold in cornerstones in the us. In order to buy a handgun you have to wait 3 days after picking your gun out for FBI paperwork to go back to the gun store before you can take your gun home.

Guns are a tool to kill. It's not a toy or even for show to scare someone. If you point a gun at someone you better be ready to use it or you'll be killed. If a person really wants to kill someone they'll find a way whether its poison, bombs, vans, knives, etc. Making guns harder for law abiding people to obtain will decrease gun deaths - namely those who were shot while committing a crime. Out of the thousands of annual shootings and hundreds of homicides in my city, only 10% are in self defense or by police officers. The remaining 90% are by criminals shooting each other or innocent people with guns they acquired illegally. Banning guns won't stop the flow of weapons. Just look at 90s Chicago or all of Latam where it's nearly impossible to get a handgun legally much less an automatic
idem - | 135
3 Dec 2017 #1,243
@Dirk diggler

To be honest I have not researched this subject so thoroughly so I don't want to argue but just 2 thoughts.

>>>The remaining 90% are by criminals shooting each other or innocent people with guns they acquired illegally>>>>

I believe they are illegal so they will be harder to trace later by Police...but I think there are much more these type of shootings in USA than in Europe ( also with illegal guns). What is the reason?

and

did you read this article? Do you agree ?

cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,244
terrorists

they prefer ak47s and cultural enrichment through vans

What is the reason?

Society and a lot of n!ggers - and by ******* I don't mean blacks, I mean ignorant ass mofo's (line tken from 'The Boondocks)... but on that point, over 90% of the gun crimes are black - at least in my city which is the murder capital ("murder capital... where niggaz murder for capital - ebe bandz) and all over the US according to FBI statistics... latinos are in 2nd place, and whites despite being the largest demographic group are in 3rd... more white people less violent crime... that would be the conclusion if looking at it that way and going by stastical evidence... but honestly I attritubute it more to culture - people in Europe are simply more responsible with guns and understand it is a tool of death.

>>>The remaining 90% are by criminals shooting each other or innocent people with guns they acquired illegally>>>>

heyjackass.com - Chicago's (my citys) murder stats in great detail
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
3 Dec 2017 #1,245
and in turn everyone else ought to respect the right of our country to have widespread gun ownership via our 2nd amendment.

We certainly do respect it. The more that Americans commit mass murder on each other, the sooner the parasite will eliminate itself.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,246
You realize Poles love Trump and are a huge ally of NATO. PL just bought a ton of missle defense systems from the US. They will welcome this guy with open arms and give him a cushy job in the ministry of interior or the ministry of defense.

PL were in Afghnistan and trained the national afghan army so I doubt PL will care much about person who worked with NATO affiliates for most of his professional career. Not only that, knowing PL society they'll love his experience and seek to recruit him.
cms 9 | 1,271
3 Dec 2017 #1,247
Heavy buffet lunch on the krupnik again ? If you are talking about Sig then the fact that he does not speak Polish might be a slight obstacle. Cushy jobs pay far less than he earns now and in any case they are dished out to small town Soltys and other PiS cronies.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
3 Dec 2017 #1,248
You realize Poles love Trump

Naaah. His approval ratings among Poles are low - they had to even bus people into Warsaw to welcome Trump, which has never happened with any previous president.

During the election, only 20% of Poles wanted Trump in the White House over Clinton. Afterwards, only 13% thought that he would be good for Poland.

His attitude towards NATO frightened a lot of Poles, even PiS voters.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,249
Never seen such a poll from CBOS - which instead confirmed 42% - double that of PO - support PiS and as we know PiS is a huge supporter of Trump. If perhaps they don't like Trump as a person they nonetheless love his ideas of fighting for western culture and not allowing turd world migrants into the country.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
3 Dec 2017 #1,250
we know PiS is a huge supporter of Trump.

Whaaa, where did you get that from? The government here doesn't really care that much about Trump - you rarely hear anything about him on the governmental media.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,251
Umm from thr applause at trumps warsaw speech and the fact they pulled out all the stops and like you say bused people for the first time in decades hmmm??? But no none of those actions imply they like trumps message or presence. Neither does the enormous purchase of U.S. military hardware and constant petitioning for.more AMERICANS to be Polish lands
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,252
Umm from thr applause at trumps warsaw speech

They were bussed in by PiS deputies - each had a quota.

During the election, only 20% of Poles wanted Trump in the White House over Clinton. Afterwards, only 13% thought that he would be good for Poland.

That's quite telling.

And 86% of Poles oppose a relaxation of the gun laws.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
3 Dec 2017 #1,253
Quota which they easily filled bc so many poles legitimately wanted to see trumps speech
jon357 66 | 16,187
3 Dec 2017 #1,254
Not so easily by all accounts. Of course a free coach trip and a packed lunch usually brings the pensioners out, despite the vile Trump's unpopularity.
idem - | 135
3 Dec 2017 #1,255
You realize Poles love Trump and .

I am not sure if they do but at least he was better prepared to this visit knew something about Polish history comparing to his predecessor who as I remember referred once to' polish death camps' :-(
Ironside 50 | 10,814
10 Dec 2017 #1,256
A one policeman had been killed and two wounded while they ambushed ATM robbers in the act. Two criminals has been apprehended and one killed by the police.

Its shows that criminals in Poland have no problem to obtain so called 'assault rifles'.

So it bust no guns no people killed by guns argument!
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,665
11 Dec 2017 #1,257
Its shows that criminals in Poland have no problem to obtain so called 'assault rifles'.

I pointed this out that if a person wants to they will always be able to buy gun regardless of the country and its laws. Banning guns for legal owners just makes it harder to protect themselves against such people.
SigSauer 4 | 413
11 Dec 2017 #1,258
Well..................Kind of a pointless thread, we will continue to own firearms in the United States, and there is NOTHING ANY OF YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

I was also permitted to carry a handgun when I lived in Europe. Hope that irritates your liberal sensibilities a bit, an American carrying a handgun in Europe. We also have 5,000 American soldiers in Poland, probably don't like that either (neither do the Russians, you guys have a lot in common ideologically).
Ironside 50 | 10,814
11 Dec 2017 #1,259
Kind of a pointless thread

I think you misunderstood. This thread is about firearms in Poland and willingness to copy USA in that regard.
cms 9 | 1,271
11 Dec 2017 #1,260
Cops killed by firearms in the US last year - 160. Rest in peace.

Cops killed in Poland - 3. Also rest in peace.

If you were here and listened to the radio you would know that that this killing last week has created a long debate here about access to firearms and whether the automatic weapons came from. If that was in the US it would be forgotten by the time the nascar race started on TV.


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