History / What Poland expected from western Europe? [78]


This question is about the past, so it's aptly formulated in 20th century terms. However...


... this question would seem to be about the present, so it needs to be rephrased. Why? Simply because in the 21st century Poland is western Europe. Not in term of geography, of course, but in terms of civilisational values and culture. The West shifted east, so to speak.

We have become, surprisingly also to ourselves because we are and always have been far from any sort of excessive nationalistic pride, the new Holy Roman Empire. Holy Roman Empire of the Polish Nation, you could call it. We resisted the harmful influence of both eastern half-Mongolian, Turanic civilisation, as well as that of islamic Eurabia (what you probably mean by "western Europe"), and thus have been raised to our current status of the very centre of Western, Latin civilisation. We accept this with modesty, satisfaction and gratitude to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

What do we expect from Eurabia? Well, HREPN together with its allies from the Intermarium region expect close cooperation from those parts of Eurabia who can still be saved and remain European (mostly Germany and Austria), lighter cooperation from former West (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, United Kingdom), and some form of non-aggression from future islamic states (Belgium, Netherlands, France, Scandinavia).

Special relations will have to be formed between the Empire and frontier states of Greece and Serbia, with whom we shall be friends and allies and count on them to protect our southern flank. That's more or less the expectations you were asking about.

P.S. The seat of the Pope will, obviously, have to be moved to Poland (probably to Kraków or Częstochowa).

History / What Poland expected from western Europe? [78]


Your inability to understand the larger picture probably stems from the fact that you come from a small multinational/multikulti country (Hungarians in Vojvodina, Albanians north of Kosovo, a lot of Muslims, there are also Serbs etc. etc.) i.e. a lot of religions, a lot of nationalities, a lot of peoples - that's the mix that Serbia is today. Poland thinks and sees things from the point of view of a homogeneous empire - religion in our case must be a single, unifying factor, and there is only one religion like that - Catholicism.


Clero-fascism won't work in Poland, never did and never will. It might work for some time in tiny countries like Tiso's Slovakia in the past or like Serbia in the present...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Action

... very silly, so of course you should always be aware of the danger of clero-fascism. It is a great threat for small countries.


That was only possible when papacy was in Rome, untamed and running wild. With Pope's seat safely in Częstochowa, we will control them to act within their assigned role (state religion of the empire - the Pope will have no more power to commit genocide or conduct independent international politics than a bishop of Canterbury does today).

The greatness and glory of Poland, already evident for our V4 partners and the entire future Intermarium, will once again shine. Gloria Excelsior Sacrum Imperium!

Serbia can join/ally itself to it or lose further lands (Vojvodina to Hungary, more areas to Kosovo) and become even more muslimised (I watched muslim prayers on Serbian state TV and was, frankly, shocked). Poland is your only hope - it is the sea to which all Slavic rivers (apart from those that were too mongolized) must run.

History / What Poland expected from western Europe? [78]


I answered your post in detail, brate, but it was moved to Random Chat thread. You should be able to find it there, I suppose.

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]

@Ironside

How do you propose to upkeep the current level of cooperation within the V4 group or Intermarium, if Poland leaves the EU and most other Intermarium countries remain in the Union? OK, let's assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that Poland leaves; Hungary might leave but it's highly unlikely, Czechia - not a snowball's chance in hell they leave the Union, Slovakia and Lithuania are already in the Euro zone - they won't leave. Who else would leave the EU to form an alliance with us? Croatia? Please... We would be hopelessly isolated. Intermarium is only viable within the EU. Otherwise it's just a pipe dream. France wants their "Mediterranean Union", but also within the EU and nobody there seriously thinks of leaving the union.

But maybe Poland should go the Norway's or Switzerland's way? Sounds tempting, but we have neither Norway's oil nor Switzerland's monetary reserves and geographical safety. Some branches of industry could be rebuilt, and we wouldn't have to worry about farming (we could easily feed three Polands), but still full self-sustainability is a fantasy at the moment.

For better or worse, we are a part of a 500-million people Union, and the alternative of hopeless isolation and attempts at building equal partnership relations with the USA, China or Russia is, frankly, ridiculous.


This begs a serious question -- namely: WTF?

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


As long as we are in the EU and have access to the common market, the lack of patting on the back from Germany is irrelevant. What's the worst thing that could happen? We would receive no structural funds? Farming subsidies for Poland would be withdrawn? So much the better. There is no such thing as "free money", and on many occasions the need to make use of available European funds made Polish local authorities take sensless loans that they will have to repay with hefty interest. Wealth comes from hard-work, research/science and thriftiness. Poland should refuse to take any "free money", but of course the corrupt politicians will never give them up, because they use it as a tool in their power games. However, for Poland in general, the worst-case scenario ("starving" us by taking away all "Euro-monies") might actually turn out to be the best case scenario. Economically - no danger.

Poland is interested in economic cooperation with the EU, in terms of common market import/export, no customs tariffs and that's it. Political cooperation is hardly possible, as we are a patriotic-minded, hard-working, disciplined, conservative Christian society, and to the west of us lie, by and large, vast spaces of Eurabia: muslim-importing, cultural marxism promoting countries, who find it appropriate to pull down their trousers, bend over, and request all sorts of tenderness from muslims, LGBTQRVSTSXYZ circles, feminists etc. etc. We shall require neither handshakes nor patting on the back from such people, thank you very much. Politically - no danger.

Maybe the next chancellor would like to try the old way of subduing Poland by military might. You could always try, but seeing that both Poland and Germany are in NATO, and the gap in technology between our armies is not nearly as large as in 1939, it might not be such a good idea at all. Militarily - no danger.

So, our friends and neighbours in Germany should understand that it is in everybody's best interest to cooperate in the economic (EU) and military (NATO) areas, but any dreams of turning Poland into a multi-kulti "paradise" should be abandoned, as well as attempts at meddling in Polish internal affairs (e.g. much needed judiciary system reform). When this is established, on the basis of mutual respect and benefits, then the future of Polish-German relations looks remarkably bright. We can be different and still love each other, nicht war?

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


Highly unlikely. Poland even accepted a son of a Nazi (who served in Adolf Hitler's bunker at the end of the war) as a new German ambassador to Poland. :) Any other country might take it as an insult and slap to the face - Poland accepted the ambassador as a sign of good will, friendship, and willingness to put history aside. We really are a sensible and easygoing bunch, when you get to know us better. :)

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


Wouldn't that be nice? Every country giving its best in terms of industry, farming, science, hard work and honest competition, with no countries trying to impose ideological constraints on others or meddle in their internal affairs. That would be the EU of my dreams too. I don't see it happening though... too much rabid ideology out there. :-(


Poland had good economic ties with Russia as well. There aren't many countries who lost as much because of the sanctions as Poland, but some things are more important than money, don't you think so?


There's a fine line between "acceptance" and promotion, as far as sexual minorities are concerned. As form muslims (nobody is concerned about Lutherans of Buddhists :)), you can show the all the acceptance in the world, and invite them all to Germany, but don't expect Poland to do the same. That's all we ask.

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


Not for Poland. Would Germany send a son of Nazi officer and Hitler's yeoman as an ambassador to Israel? Certainly not. However, they saw it perfectly fit to send such man to Poland. Politics is also about symbols and gestures and "clumsy" is the lightest word to be used in this case. Putting German clumsiness (to put it very mildly) aside, Poland reluctantly accepted the new ambassador, showing good will and maturity, despite the obvious inappropriateness of the German choice of ambassador.

Anyway - a minor issue. A symbolic one, but minor.


That's exaclty what happens in Poland. :)


Well, that is debatable from purely utilitarian point of view. Hetero couples produce children - the future of any state. Homo couples, so far, have been unable to do the same. Hence, some rights have been granted to hetero families and not to the same-sex unions.

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Guilty as charged.


Spending 1000 years stuck between Germans and Russians, with occasional invasions from the north (Sweden) and south (Austria, Turkey) can give you this slight, tiny measure of paranoia.


Happy New Year! May it be better for both our countries! :)

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


1. Czech Republic:

a) they didn't suffer nearly as much from the Nazis as Poland did
b) they have no balls to oppose Germany whilst Polish balls are, and always have been, of rather considerable size

2. Russia:

a) Why would they oppose a Nazi ambassador? They started the war together with the Nazis by ganging up on Poland.
b) the later lovers' quarrel between two totalitarian states doesn't change the fact that Commies and Nazis were both made of the same clay


So, you would send him as an ambassador to Israel? I'd like to see that happen. *rolls eyes*


Yeah, about that. There's very little reason for PiS to "whip up anti-German frenzy", simply because there are very few people in Poland with anti-German mindset. They can still play on the fears of the older generation, and they occasionally do, but in reality they do everything to imitate Germany (not the Germany of today, of course, but the ordoliberalismus of 1960s).


Why should two men pay less taxes only because they have sexual relationship? It is rather unclear to me. Heterosexual marriages pay less taxes because a heterosexual marriage produces (in most cases) children, without which no country would have any future. Simple as that.


A debatable issue from the point of view of scientific research in the areas of child psychology and sociology. I would be very reluctant to experiment in this matter on a large scale until reliable scientific data is available on the effects of children being raised by homosexual parents. We must, first and foremost, take the well-being of children under consideration, rather than whims of homosexual couples.

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


The huge reparations might have contributed to the level of understanding. *epic eye roll*


Modernity is overrated and medieval age underrated.

Anyways, medieval or not, we are sensitive to this kind of stuff and Germany should at least take this into account.


Yes, that would make sense.


I think you'd be wrong here; I read about it some time ago, but don't have any links ready at the moment. I'll try to investigate the matter further.

Off-Topic / Additional capacity for Nordstream II - Germany plans to buy hydrogen from Russia and use NS II for transport [420]


You would be surprised how much has Poles' attitude towards Germany changed in the past 30 years. This tendency will most likely continue in the future (as long, of course, as Germany refrains from lecturing us and trying to meddle in our internal affairs). See the video from 10:40 to 11:12 :)

youtu.be/Hn8XXPl1vjU

Anyways, Tacitus, Happy New Year and see you in 2021.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [957]


But that's exactly what Germans have been trying to tell us from the very beginning of the crisis - that their industry is hungry for workforce, and that they need all those proverbial "doctors and engineers". They tried to advertise the madness as bringing in a huge reservoir of workforce. Now you are trying to present this as some sort of humanitarian rescue mission (which is, frankly, ridiculous - considering the fact that most of the "refugees" were young men who often didn't even try to conceal the fact that they are migrating for economic reasons, not fleeing from war). So, it looks like German politicians have been dishonest from the very beginning, lying through their teeth.

Thilo Sarrazin, a German economist, wrote a brilliant book Deutschland Schaff sich ab (and that was 5 years before the refugee madness in question) followed by Der neue Tugendterror and Feindliche Uberbnahme (sorry for no umlauts). And he is not the only one who wrote about importing millions of muslims into European countries; other authors, most notably Udo Ulfkotte (Der Krieg in unsere Stadte), discussed the same problem. These are not some frustrated onanists, writing from their mums' basements, but educated, sensible people - Sarrazin has a doctorate in economy from the University of Bonn and Ulfkotte was an award winning journalist.

Why is it so difficult to admit that you made a mistake (which, after five years, is blatantly obvious)?

News / Der Spiegel: "Poles are now the masters of Europe" [49]

It's definitely not genetics - Poles and Ukrainians are both Slavic nations. The explanation lays in different kinds of civilisation in Poland and Ukraine.

Poland is a Latin civilisation country (like Italy or France, for example) whilst Ukraine (apart, and only to some extent, from its western part that used to be Polish) has been under the influence of Turanic Russian civilisation for so long that the corruption and disregard for citizens' rights took very deep roots in Ukrainian society. This is a very basic civilisational knowledge, quite obvious for people familiar with major types of civilisation in Europe (Latin, Byzantine, Turanian).

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [957]


Well, the British got a pretty good deal. It was probably a mistake, because if they thrive economically outside the EU (and with the deal they got, they probably will) it might make other countries seriously consider their options. I read an analysis which predicted a decade of great economic success for the UK. We'll see...

Brexit should have been considered a hostile action towards the EU, and treated accordingly. As it is, the UK is treated as a friend and economic partner. In my opinion, it's a mistake that will cost the Union dearly. :-/

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [957]


No, this is a Russian slogan. Breaking up the European Union has always been one of the main aim of Russian politics. I am surprised how many posters on this Polish forum support Putin's foreign policy.

I know that in Poland the only group of people who seem to be anti-EU, just as Putin likes, are the voters of конфедерация. Are you one of them?

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]

Mark my words: PiS will never officially demand war reparations from Germany. They know better than that. It's simply a tool for drumming up some extra domestic support from the most primitive-minded "patriots".

Undermining Polish-German relations, which after 1989 have been surprisingly good - mostly because of the constant and unwavering good will of consecutive German governments towards our country (political support for our NATO and EU membership, countless economic support/advice programs etc.) - is one of the main aims of Russian politics. Putin wants nothing more than Poland and Germany at each other's throats. No wonder then that the party mentioning the reparations most often is not PiS but конфедерация.

Also, one would have to be blind not to notice PiS's fascination with German ordoliberalism and their attempt to introduce their own version of soziale Marktwirtschaft. They admire and imitate Germany but are reluctant to admit that for domestic political reasons. Central Europe (which means DACH-Länder and V4), with possible addition of Benelux, are the future core of the EU (not the whimsical and unreliable French or the corrupt South), and Kaczyński knows this very well.

Pigs will fly before PiS officially demands any reparations from Germany.

History / What makes you feel Polish? [160]

Our flag makes me feel Polish every time I look at it. The colours of the flag are highly symbolic:

- the white symbolizes purity, nobility and freedom
- the red symbolizes bravery, fighting spirit and the blood shed for our country
- the blue symbolizes all our reliable allies throughout history.

History / What makes you feel Polish? [160]

Exactly.

History / What makes you feel Polish? [160]

No, it was just a joke about Poland having no allies. *rolls eyes*

News / Poland - Germany's 5th largest trade partner [27]

...in addition to the information in the first post: according to the Federation of European Stock Exchanges (FESE), the Warsaw Stock Exchange (WSE) recorded the largest percentage increase in stock turnover in 2020 - by 56.1% compared to 2019.

polskieradio24.pl/42/273/Artykul/2680085,Sukces-GPW-Stoleczna-gielda-zanotowala-najwiekszy-procentowy-wzrost-obrotow-akcjami

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@A cheering crowd greets Adolf Hitler as he enters Vienna.

Look at all the hysteric girls storming the police cordon - one might think it was The Beatles coming to the city. *rolls eyes*

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Correct.

Virtually every Polish fighting unit in WW2 had numerous Jews in its ranks (be it on the eastern or western front). Below, some of the graves of Polish soldiers of Mosaic confession in Polish military cemetery in Monte Cassino:

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


You might as well ask "how many Lutherans served in the Polish Army?" or Pentecostals, Orthodox or Buddhists. I don't think any country in WW2 kept detailed statistics about the religion of their soldiers.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

Exactly.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Of course, friends knew one another's religion, so they knew what sort of tombstone to use, but nobody seriously counted the soldiers of different religions.


I doubt it.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Interesting. I wonder for what purpose.

@dolnoslask

The article you linked says...


...but I am still not quite sure where they would get such information from.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


I don't know about Muslims or Buddhists, but Polish army units were a mix of Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox soldiers, and it didn't seem to damage their morale/cohesion at all.

There were probably Polish Tatars (Muslim) in some of them too - again, no problems with cohesion.

News / New "Polish memorial" in Berlin [316]


... pigs will fly.

Despite many crises Germany is still the EU's leader and an industrial powerhouse, which is a good thing for Poland as Polish and German economies are very closely intertwined. To wish ill to Germany is ultimately to wish ill to Poland.