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What Poland expected from western Europe?


Crow 144 | 8,678
28 Dec 2020 #1
It started much earlier then Teutonic yoke.

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It continued and lasted for centuries. Then it culminated with betrayal of Poland in WWII

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Then came the EU.

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Strzelec35 2 | 266
28 Dec 2020 #2
Poland needs to become a modern country first with actual urządowe websites being modernized and not looking like they were made in the early 90s using geocities before they even start to worry about how Europe treats them or looks at them. and quit with their attitude bitchyness problem and the pan and pani bullshet no one respects.
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #3
Poland needs to become a modern country first

...by switching to English as the official language and phase out Polish. I did.
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
28 Dec 2020 #4
@Novi, you can "phase out" a language, but not a culture - which informs a language and always has. Superimposing some metalanguage onto an already existing mother tongue of millions, in your example English onto Polish, German, what have you, is not only idiotic and ethnocentric, but impossible! Poles will never learn to communicate as an educated Anglo-Saxon native speaker.
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #5
you can "phase out" a language, but not a culture

You can switch languages and still use a fork and knife. I would bet that 99% didn't read Mickiewicz after graduation. Today, with the attention span of three minutes, and the IQ just sufficient to read and post on Facebook, the old-style society delighting in poetry by the fireplace is dead and gone.

If it's not on the screen, it does not exist.
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
28 Dec 2020 #6
BS! If the language in question isn't natural aka idiomatically correct, then it's essentially worthless.
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #7
I got it. Language can be learned only if you are an infant. Half a century of using it as the only language - at home, on the job, everywhere else - is never going to be enough. I should have been told that way back.
mafketis 24 | 9,076
28 Dec 2020 #8
switching to English as the official language and phase out Polish

What a stupid idea!

I did.

No, you didn't. Stop pretending to be someone that you're not, sad old fraud.
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #9
What a stupid idea!

It's brilliant and being implemented in Poland as we speak, so to speak. Everybody under 30 I met spoke fluent English. Everybody in the tourist business and street commerce spoke English. English is mandatory from the first grade. Shopping malls even in small towns like Radom are hard to tell from the American malls. Polish pop groups sing in English.

Don't get personal. When you do, you bottom fish.
mafketis 24 | 9,076
28 Dec 2020 #10
It's brilliant

No, it isn't.

Everybody under 30 I met spoke fluent English.

Being able to conduct small talk with an annoying tourist =/= fluent enough for institutional and educational use...

you bottom fish

the best place to find bottom feeders.... comme vous
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
28 Dec 2020 #11
Novi: When were those lovely buildings in the Old Town built? Average Pole: No. Not old houses, because much Polish now living in other towns of Poland.... And you claim the run-of- the-mill Pole knows "fluent" English?? Even their German would be better:-)
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #12
annoying tourist

In real life, 90% of the conversations are with annoying people. How many times in the last decade did two people in Poland discuss what Mickiecz meant by his 44 nonsense?

The last time you spoke was about shopping for food at Biedronka, not Plato and his philosophy.

And you claim the run-of- the-mill Pole knows "fluent" English

No, Lyzko, I never made such a claim. Read #9 again. This time slowly. I sie skup.
mafketis 24 | 9,076
28 Dec 2020 #13
90% of the conversations are with annoying people.

I'd raise that to 100% when you're involved.... and no, most young Poles can carry on light conversation in English but are nowhere near fluent enough to carry out all (or most) of their life business in that language.
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #14
I'd raise that to 100% when you're involved..

That was clever...

most young Poles can carry on light conversation in English

When did you have a heavy conversation in any language lately? A date will do fine.

nowhere near fluent enough to carry out all (or most) of their life business in that language.

Those I talked to were good enough.
Things are changing fast. You, Poles, can't even come up with your own native computer and internet terms, so you have to steal from English. So, I am suggesting is that you drop the pretense and morph.
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
28 Dec 2020 #15
Spot on, Maf! @Novi, I read #9 at least onceLOL As regards Mickiewicz, this is a dismaying reflection on the typically post-'6Os trend towards making learning "relevant", whatever the heck that means. Used to be in this country that just because someone worked with their hands didn't mean they didn't work with their minds!
Novichok - | 924
28 Dec 2020 #16
I read #9 at least once

No, you didn't or did it too fast again. Did you notice this...

Everybody under 30 I met spoke fluent English.

And you claim the run-of-the-mill Pole knows "fluent" English

Do you see the difference, or not yet?

Poland's problems are not government offices or websites. It's the people if this forum is a representative sample. It will take centuries for that to change.

Always suspicious and ready to spy on others.
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
28 Dec 2020 #17
The differences are negligible, but I do concede you may have a point, albeit a minor one.
mafketis 24 | 9,076
28 Dec 2020 #18
if this forum is a representative sample

It's not - except that lax moderation has made it a den of trolls and identity thieves and various mental cases.... not the Poland that I happily live in at all....

And you couldn't pay me to live in the US again.... (someone with a bottomless pit of money might, but.... no, I'm done with that failed state).
Strzelec35 2 | 266
28 Dec 2020 #19
Its too liberal and not enough heil hitler for you there? like Poland wishes it could be the reich. The only people who would want to live here (even Polish people will think ur kookoo themselves with their fame reich wannabe national socialism patriotism deep down they know Poland is backwards) are ultra right wing fucktards and heil hitler types. I'm not talking about sensible middle of the road or even right leaning ppl like me but literal lets marry some retard female to bear my children for me and obey me like the 1950s and live off the land and follow some catholic hypocryte religion type of people.
OP Crow 144 | 8,678
29 Dec 2020 #20
You can`t agree on basic things. Reading comment here one may conclude that Poland needs western European support to deal with internal processes within Poland. Horrible.
Alien
29 Dec 2020 #21
This forum is NOT a representative sample of polish people, never was.
Strzelec35 2 | 266
29 Dec 2020 #22
I wasn't talking about Polish people but British or Americans who choose to live in Poland or are not disgusted by much of the culture. that is who I was describing those sorts or British and Americans Poland attracts.
OP Crow 144 | 8,678
29 Dec 2020 #23
This forum is NOT a representative sample of polish people, never was.

I disagree. This forum just isn`t totalitarian. To say, Catholic Poles who organize this forum aren`t bigger Catholics then Pope. As a Serbian, I feel quite free on this forum. And I am from Serbia. But when I as a Serbian from Serbia enjoy rights here, then for sure there is hope for rights of all Serbs of Poland. Kashubs, Lusatians, etc. After all Polani themselves knows of their Serbian origin.

Poland with Sarmatism is great idea. Far from it to be exhausted idea. Yes, I have hope.
Alien
29 Dec 2020 #24
Yes Sir, it is your right to disagree, but you are of course a Highlight on this forum but never representative. Not typical for polish people.
OP Crow 144 | 8,678
29 Dec 2020 #25
Indeed, I am kind of celebrity here. But still, as I said I am happy. It for sure makes all Serbs of Poland and Polonia also happy. In that sense, this forum achieved a lot of to spread positive energy.

Now, why don't you yourself contribute more? Why only complain as some old woman?
Alien
29 Dec 2020 #26
No complain just truth. It is interesting to read this forum to know what Foreigner or foreign-Poles think about Poland, but I prefer to not infer ( If not necessary ).

Not to interfere. Sorry.
OP Crow 144 | 8,678
29 Dec 2020 #27
Thank you but, you failed to answer to the topic - What Poland expected from western Europe?

Do you expect anything more from the western Europe?
GefreiterKania - | 24
29 Dec 2020 #28
What Poland expected from western Europe?

This question is about the past, so it's aptly formulated in 20th century terms. However...

Do you expect anything more from the western Europe?

... this question would seem to be about the present, so it needs to be rephrased. Why? Simply because in the 21st century Poland is western Europe. Not in term of geography, of course, but in terms of civilisational values and culture. The West shifted east, so to speak.

We have become, surprisingly also to ourselves because we are and always have been far from any sort of excessive nationalistic pride, the new Holy Roman Empire. Holy Roman Empire of the Polish Nation, you could call it. We resisted the harmful influence of both eastern half-Mongolian, Turanic civilisation, as well as that of islamic Eurabia (what you probably mean by "western Europe"), and thus have been raised to our current status of the very centre of Western, Latin civilisation. We accept this with modesty, satisfaction and gratitude to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

What do we expect from Eurabia? Well, HREPN together with its allies from the Intermarium region expect close cooperation from those parts of Eurabia who can still be saved and remain European (mostly Germany and Austria), lighter cooperation from former West (Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, United Kingdom), and some form of non-aggression from future islamic states (Belgium, Netherlands, France, Scandinavia).

Special relations will have to be formed between the Empire and frontier states of Greece and Serbia, with whom we shall be friends and allies and count on them to protect our southern flank. That's more or less the expectations you were asking about.

P.S. The seat of the Pope will, obviously, have to be moved to Poland (probably to Kraków or Częstochowa).
Lyzko 28 | 7,001
29 Dec 2020 #29
Yet St. Petrus is buried in Wieczne Miasto, not in Czestochowa:-)
OP Crow 144 | 8,678
29 Dec 2020 #30
We have become, ....................., the new Holy Roman Empire

Horror. So many would die when THAT Poland start to spread globalism in form of Catholicism and vice versa- Catholicism as globalism. All in tradition of the Holy Roman Empire.

But let me elaborate, how deeply you are wrong. Tragically wrong. /it happens when you talk and don`t understand politics in entirety/

If so as you say, then Gavrilo didn`t change course of Poland`s history on the long run. Poland din`t become independent after WWI but remained dependable on western Europe and Rome.

Even before WWI Rome/Vatican in consent with Germany had plan to reform Poland by the Konopischt project, what is essentially idea of Poland as clerical Catholic state where `Catholic` is raised to the level of nation, exactly same way as it is in Islam with Muslims. It is giving up of new Commonwealth around Poland and even Intermarium. Bottom line is that concept of nation is lost and Poles are only Catholic ie Global, not Slavic/Sarmatian.

Latin civilisation. We accept this with modesty, satisfaction and gratitude to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

All in all, after making full circle in attempt to escape failure of western Europe, Poland would embrace globalism and again join western Europe.

Special relations will have to be formed between the Empire and frontier states of Greece and Serbia

If Poland fails to save itself from Vatican and western Europe, then I see Serbia initiate project of last resort that would be, let`s say, truly Greater Serbia that would include all Serbs from Baltic to Balkan, unity of many new states that would emerge- Lusatia, Silesia, Kashubia, Polonia, etc many in what is now eastern Germany. Czechs and Slovaks would also join. Essentially, it would be New Commonwealth around Serbia instead around Poland that failed on the test of history (after all, Balkan Serbs were military elite of original Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth).

P.S. The seat of the Pope will, obviously, have to be moved to Poland (probably to Kraków or Częstochowa).

No. Forget Pope. Vatican is global thing, same as Patriarch of Constantinople. Same as Islam. Then also, Vatican is behind genocide on Serbs from Baltic to Balkan and Poland must give up from Pope and Vatican. Find way to organize yourself as Catholics who are autonomous from Pope same way as Orthodox Serbs are autonomous from Patriarch of Constantinople.

Otherwise, if somebody in Poland insist on papacy, we Serbs must work first with Serbs on Balkan-Baltic line and can`t count on Poland in today`s format. Poland then must change its format ie return to Sarmatism to be serious and suitable for new Slavic/Sarmatian conglomerates and that may include, as I said formation of Kashubia, etc states.

Poland is western Europe

All Slavs are West, only one and original true West, and all Slavs originate from the Serbs (all Serbs on Balkan-Baltic line and part of that line are Lusatians and Kashubs) and in Balkan Serbian part of Danube in Lepenski vir culture West was born during last Glaciation or even earlier.


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