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Vox   
7 Apr 2015
Life / Where can I find English books in Lublin? [13]

The fun part is when some religious people think I've gone way too far, even by their twisted standards, but others jump in to defend me.

Funnily enough you are criticizing someone else standards and calling them twisted. What more twisted than trolling and lying as a way of blowing off steam? Seek professional help.

This is going badly of topic, please respect the OP's thread.
Vox   
7 Apr 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

Is he still at large? Low criminality doesn't mean no criminality or no criminals.

Poland will become the same, you won't be able to stop it you joined the EU like idiots and signed your nation away.

As you did?
Vox   
6 Apr 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

I don't see connection between low criminality and immigration. Debating about potential immigration to Poland in the thread about Poland being a successful case of low criminality in Europe is misleading.

I would like to add that talking about potential immigration to Poland is clearly against the rules on PF.

This is the main reason why most of them plan to come back to their motherland one day.

Are you implying that Polish people have some kind of issue with ethnic minorities?
Vox   
3 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

That enough for you?

I'm going to check it all out but I have already spotted one logical fallacy and one false assumption.

there:

And of course, last but by no means least, the government commission to investigate of possibilities of deporting Polish Jews to Madagascar, the 'Madagascar plan', which the Nazis took up and then turned into the Lublin und Nisko plan before turning to the Final Solution.

Limits of access to university for Jews.

Vox   
30 Mar 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

it is because they export the crims

Hmm, According to statics Poland has been safer place than most long before criminals were offered an opportunity to buy attractive tours aboard. Again, in a certain country which is well known for its custom of putting the blame for all it problems on foreigners, Poles do not even register on any noticeable scale. Other than that criminal stats of the aforementioned country are by the way very impressive, no lagging behind in that regard keeping up with the best on the globe, yes sir.
Vox   
30 Mar 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

The great problem with crime statistics that people forget is that they are compiled only from crimes that were reported.Ridiculous to say that Polish women in Poland are 13 times safer than Swedish women in Sweden.

Ridiculous is what you are saying or rather implying. Unless you have some evidence to back up your claim.
Vox   
20 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

One could argue that there is a noticeable difference in length between "never" and "700 years". Would you be kind enough to tell me which meaning of the word "oppression" you had in mind?

1. the exercise of authority in cruel or unjust manner.
2. the feeling of being heavily burdened by troubles, adverse concisions .....
By the way it didn't escape my attention that you have eluded my question.
Vox   
20 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Now you're trying victim-blaming for 700 years of oppression

Three times lucky. Am I correct in thinking you are implying that the Jews were victims of oppression in Poland?
Are you claiming that Jewish community in Poland had no sense, suffered some kind of a group masochistic syndrome or were plainly stupid?
Would you like to provide evidence to support your claim? If not lay down and relax, a glass of water might help.
Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

All of those have sadly been seen among the Jewish population of Poland

You still haven't addressed my questions.
Regardless here is another one:
You are very quick to single out or point out the Jewish population in Poland. Wouldn't that make you some kind of a brown shirt racist according to your standards?
Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

There's a strong parallel with some of the PF Brownshirts sniping about events between 1948 and 1956 as an attempt to distract from the darker chapters in the 700 years of history that preceded that.

Would you be able to provide evidence that support your claim rather than hitting on about alleged dark deeds that cannot be named? You are a worse gossiper than a woman.

While you are on it would you be able to explain how talking about historical facts is sniping? Are you sniping about dark chapters as an attempt to distract from the facts?
Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

Barney I detect here a slight difference of opinions.

Public monuments in colonial Nairobi were visual links to the British empire, and served as a means of asserting imperial power. During this period, colonial memories and identities were inscribed into Nairobi's landscape by the dominant group, the elite of the European population. However, at the moment of Kenya's achievement of independence from colonial rule, such identities and assertions of power were challenged as statues were removed from the city

For the Kenyan novelist, playwright and essayist, Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o, power through cultural subjugation was the principal tool of colonialism. The monuments of Nairobi can be read as a history of cultural artefacts used by the coloniser to dominate and subjugate the colonised.[/i]

Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

Dress it up anyway you want, Vox, Poland did exactly what she'd promised her Ukrainian allies she would not do and accepted 30 million in exchange for doing that.

That obvious attempt at humour failed miserably.
Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

It is ridiculous that any explanation need given as to why it's a bad idea to destroy these monuments.

What is bad in eradicating iconography of the colonial regime?

Poland stabbed its Ukrainian allies in the back and sold their country to the Soviets for 30 pieces of silver (ok, actually 30 million roubles in gold, but the principle is the same).

Incorrect:

Poland was to receive monetary compensation (30 million rubles in gold) for its economic input into the Russian Empire during the times of partitions of Poland.

Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

The Jewish gene is so deeply entrenched in Poles,

Are you able to back up your claim with any evidence?

The "Why" is important because "the Jews" are made responsible for what happened

You are unable to provide a coherent and logical argument to support your view and the way you feel about some issues. So, instead you resolved to wear dawn everyone who partake in this discussion by repeating yourself numerous times.

As much as I admire your density, sorry tenacity I don't see sense or merit in debating with you. Somebody who is attached so much to his opinion that is unwilling to look beyond his limitations, somebody who is not an open-minded person.
Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I meant that you did misunderstand what I wrote

Paulina, It is quite obvious that the Other is unable or unwilling to make a logical, clear and coherent argument, a one that would comprehensively express his views. I think he has a very good reason to remain vague, unclear and to talk in riddles, for he feels a certain way about Poles and as you know emotions do not listen to reason and cannot be argued with.
Vox   
15 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

but it seems it's only you and Vox who can't (or don't want to) see the obvious...

It is a fallacious argument that concludes that an assertion is true because most people believe it. This type of argument is often called bandwagon fallacy. Fail.
Vox   
13 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Because faith and/or ethnicity is used as a weird argument to support the notion that Poles are by no means responsible for anything that happened during communist times

Let me stop you in a mid-air, while you are still peddling your stubby legs like E. Coyote just before falling down into an abyss.

You have used the straw man logical fallacy as nobody claimed that Poles because of faith or/and ethnicity are not responsible for anything that happened during communists time. Fail.

"What does ethnicity and/or faith have to do with someone's political affiliation?"

It is a very good question. Would you care to answer it?

simply citizens who identify with their country. After two or three generations, ethnicity becomes less important as people tend to mix and assimilate over time.

knock, knock!! Do you hear this noise, It is me knocking on your door at the base of your ivory tower care to came down and take a look at the real world?

Not every citizen identify with his country, not always nor for everyone ethnicity becomes less important. Well,after two generation or more people convert to Islam and go to fight for Isis. Fail.

Poles of Jewish faith/ethnicity are singled out

Since when pointing out historical facts is forbidden? I'm at lost what you want to say or convey here? Are you even able to make a coherent clear argument based on facts?

Let's leave it at this. We are running in circles.

Correction, you are running in circles.
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

"Nice of you to show the proper respect"
Your welcome Guv.

" however that isn't much of a question at all, since victims as well as perpetrators can be Poles of whatever heritage.In the post-war years both the groups you mention fell into both the categories you mention..."

Not according to the Patroniser above.
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

If you are incapable to understand two simple sentences, then what's the use to explain in detail?

I have asked you kindly to show us less attitude and more debating skills, Unless those thoughtless clichés are what pass for your thought process and it is all that you are capable to utter.

Did the person with a knife stab/attack the other person because the other person was a Jew?

Would than be your first step in the investigation you would have carried out in the hypothetical crime? Talking about bias, thank you sir.

"Does that change the fact that members of this ethnic group were also Poles (as in Polish citizens)?"
I understand now. According to you if they are perpetrators of a crime or an atrocity they are Poles but if the same people (according to your definition Poles) are in turn killed by a Pole without (dipole) Jewish background or DNA they would have transformed over night into Jews and automatically into victims of anti-Semitic crime..

I have no more questions Your Honour.
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Let see if I understood correctly your floatation. I would need a hypothetical scenario to illustrate your way of thinking. Two people are squabbling, one pulls a knife, in ensuing struggle one stabs the other. What do we have here a brawl or an anti-Semitic attack?
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Why would that be?

Would it be possible for you to share with us unworthy mob your thoughts on a subject? Instead of you uttering enigmatic syllables, half words and truckload of patronising attitude.
Vox   
11 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

But for Polish people to take credit for that or be proud of that is mistaken.

I concur, by the same token Polish people shouldn't be blamed for what has befallen Jews in the 20th century either.
Vox   
11 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

In what kind of country did it need to be written that stealing Jewish children was not OK?!

Maybe in a Jewish children free country? Maybe in a country which expelled Jews?

Do you claim exclusive rights to restrict the nationality of anyone else who owns property in your street or feel,attached to the idea that certain people rather than others can spend or use the same currency?

Ownership of a property doesn't give you right to build an exclusive ethnical enclave and claim sovereignty over its territory.
Vox   
11 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

There is little point in either beating yourself up about the deeds of others or trying to erase chapters of history in order to control a national narrative. The idea of historic national guilt is as unhealthy as the idea that any one group have exclusive rights over a territory

You are being a little ambiguous in your answer. Obviously one can talk about past in term of historical facts rather than guilt and pride but at the same time there is a little room for feelings. A person as the cliché goes is not a lone island. People are part of a community whether they like it or not and as such are subject to the same elements, trials and experiences as a group they belong to. National or ethnical identity thrive and feeds on such a connection and by the same token such a sense of connection might be extended to past generations. Just because there is room for corruption of those emotional attachments it doesn't mean there is a need to condemn them as whole.

the idea that any one group have exclusive rights over a territory

Do you claim exclusive rights over your house or a land? Do you feel particularly attached to the idea your money are your money?

It depends on whether one wants to claim the glory stemming from the achievements of one's forefathers or not.

It goes without saying. However the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder and the same can be said about one's intent. I think it is easy to mistake a reasonable pride one takes over forefathers real achievements with immature boastfulness and a claim to the share of the glory of the people long death.

fellow Poles murdered countless thousands of Jews during countless pogroms over the centuries'.

Why would differentiate between what had happened to them over what had happened to all other people dwelling on a territory who had been murdered robbed or in any way abused by the criminal element of the country over the centuries?
Vox   
10 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I can only say I don't understand the idea standing behind expressions of regret for deeds or alleged deeds forwarded in the name of forefathers by their progeny.

It strikes me as a cultural transplant onto the European culture or as a way of extending cultural domination by addressees of such an apology on people who apologised.

"You think people should apologise for issues that happened over 1500 years ago"

What would you say about limitation period extended to 1900 years? Fortunately it is well known it has been a case of a magnanimous act of an empire rather than 1900 years of the limitation period. The same act I might add that had been badly repaid by the recipient. Would it be fair to call such a wretch an ungrateful devisee, an ingrate beneficiary?
Vox   
7 Mar 2015
UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]

Given a fact that you people already have started to compete I would think it is a splendid idea to hold a competition for the world cup of the most ignorant nation.

MY Briitish friends speak Greek, Spanish, Welsh, French, German, and GASP even some Polish, among others

We mustn't forget about Latin speaking community. No sir.

Go home, we don't want you arrogant, ignorant people here. I am sick of hearing your rotten language everywhere I go.

There is no doubt in my mind that you are a very sick person indeed my friend. Seeing you are getting around a lot I only can hope your sickness is not contagious.

There is no doubt that retired wealthy Brits have invaded some parts of Spain and placed millions

Are you saying that wealthy Brits are fleeing that sacred precious land such a paradise on Earth to some far away mud just for the pleasure of rubbing elbows with foreigners who are speaking foreign language all the time ? That's horrid sir. How it is possible?

Everyone back on track please, this thread is about why the English don't like the Polish.
Vox   
6 Mar 2015
Love / Polish girls hard in relationships [156]

I'm surprised how disrespectful toward women some of the posts are here

In my opinion such posts are being written by the teenagers with no real experience with intersex relationship or and this is an disturbing thought by some broken individuals.
Vox   
5 Mar 2015
Genealogy / If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"... [217]

They were required under the terms of the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty of 28 September 1939 not to allow such a state to come into existence

Also Polish Government after loosing the war didn't sign an agreement with Germans for the surrender, and by doing so exposed the population of the country to harsher treatment.