History / Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939 [148]


I can't imagine what sort of person would buy or want to read the memoir of a convicted pedophile.

Anyway, according to independent internet postings his grandparents on his father's side emigrated to America from Poland. But given Sandusky's own advanced age his grandparents certainly had to have left Poland when its borders lay much further to the east than they do today and during a time when Poland still had a large Jewish population. Nothing mentioned though about what religion they practiced if any so it shouldn't be discounted that he could very well be a blood member of your tribe. His father was from the US state of Pennsylvania which has had a significant Jewish presence for centuries. His mother is identified as being an Irish Catholic but interfaith marriages were never that uncommon in America. Furthermore, if you were to follow the pretzel logic of most of the expats (mainly British) living in Poland today and posting here on PF then Sandusky doesn't even remotely qualify as being "fully Polish". He is an American.

Also note the choice of spelling of his surname. Real Poles with their surnames ending -ski end it with the letter "i" where as the norm with Jews who have aped Polish surnames have typically chosen to end theirs with the letter "y". The infamous Clinton-era Jewish White House intern and tramp Monica Lewinsky is another example of this preference in spelling.

Language / Learn Polish or Russian [86]

Poles were among the last big wave of Europeans to emigrate to America. America, even today, is quite a bigoted place but it was far worse in the past. It has a very long, dark history of discrimination (even institutionally) against all groups of people who weren't part of the business, educational and political class dominated by White Anglo-Saxon Protestant males. If you could trace your linage to some place like England, Scotland and overtime Ireland then you were OK. Beyond that you didn't fit in unless you went out of your way to change your identity. That's why most immigrants, Native Indians and blacks in America have Anglicized names (first, middle and last). I'm quite certain the ugly phrase "Speak English or Die" originated in America which says it all about where foreign language speakers fit it. And this pattern was reinforced by older immigrants towards the newly arriving ones.

So it is not surprising that knowledge of and resources to learn Polish withered away in America.

Of course it is different now in the US and accommodations are made for the newer wave of immigrants who speak Spanish, Mandarin, etc.

England and Scotland still have their own tawdry histories of racism and discrimination too but being in closer proximity to Europe and having joined European institutions helped to attenuate their natural tendency of acting bigoted towards non-English speakers. Still, the British rank in the bottom league when it comes to learning and being proficient in foreign languages. Some habits are just too hard to break.

Language / Learn Polish or Russian [86]


It is ludicrous for you to describe Poles in America as peasants when it is you who is the de facto 21st century British commoner.

The real nonsense is your contempt for Polish immigrants being posted by you as an immigrant yourself to Poland.

Love / My Polish bf cheated on me with a black girl [45]


Well, most people don't regard themselves as being a racist; certainly not like the skinhead or KKK variety.

But how differently would you have worded this post if your boyfriend had an affair with a girl who wasn't black?

Love / My Polish bf cheated on me with a black girl [45]


I think your original post is pretty clear. It's not simply that your Polish boyfriend cheated on you with another girl but that it was with a black girl in particular. I just don't believe you would have given any emphasis to the other girl's race if she hadn't been black.

You mention the word "black" four times including in the title of your post. That is the real issue for you. You know this. It is understandable that it would be uncomfortable for you to admit it since you added qualifying statements in your posting. Of course no one wants to be regarded as a racist. I'm sure you and many others genuinely believe that interracial couples can't have misgivings or indeed prejudices towards different racial groups outside of their relationship.

Although there is a lot of diversity in the Americas, Europe and Australia the same cannot be said of Africa, Asia and the Middle East where most countries are predominately homogenous. Although Western societies have a longer history of having larger diverse populations all of them still display reservations about how far they will interact or enter into a relationship with other people from a different race. Actions always speak louder than words.

The issue isn't about whether or not Polish guys in general have a thing for black girls. That fact that you have a Polish guy now that you say is your boyfriend proves they are more interested in other aspects of a relationship beyond the color of skin.

Your boyfriend just seems to have found something more interesting in another girl which he doesn't see in you. Rather than it being a matter of race it sounds like it has more to do with your individual personalities and commonalities which are lacking. There is a lot you haven't brought up. Maybe you are a homebody and he likes to be more social or there are other controlling aspects of the relationship beyond sex which is causing unspoken tensions and a need to find an outlet.

If you can't talk with him about it then you should just end the relationship in as friendly manner as possible.

History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]

One ethno-religious chauvinist claimed early on in this thread without any supporting evidence:


But it didn't take long for this rather neurotic position to be undermined by one of his fellow ethno-religious chauvinists in a subsequent post when replying to someone else:

Language / Learn Polish or Russian [86]


Your comments remind of why it is so fitting that an internationally recognized American icon is a clown that has a quintessentially Scottish surname: McDonald.

Life / Is it McPoland? [63]

As you know there are many voices here on PF that decry Poland for not being multi-cultural. You can be certain that the majority of migrants (particularly from Britiain and America) living in Poland wholeheartedly welcome its McDonlandisation; crass commercialization is their own heritage after all.

Life / Is it McPoland? [63]


I believe it is. When things become commodified and globalized they may seem to be tailored to the local culture but this is actually false advertising. They (corporations and multi-culturalists) never offer anything that is truly unique. Anything they present is commonplace or a watered down version of originality. It is also multi-cultural because all cultures are presented as having an equal footing with each other. That's why virtual every product sold or store built can be found in most other developed countries. They have to do this in order not to cause potential offense or sense of being excluded among their customers. And this standardization has cost savings as well. It's all about the bottom line for their balance sheets and not the preservation of any one culture.

UK, Ireland / And you wonder why there is Anti-Polish feeling in the UK [187]

Poles are citizens of their own nation - a true and fully functioning democratic republic that has been hard fought for to retain.

Brits on the other hand have always been subjects of whoever their crowned rulers of the day have been. It's the same for them today as it has been since 1066. No wonder there is anti-Polish sentiment in the UK; it is sheer envy.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

Polish already has several unique characters in its alphabet which along with other consonant clustering make it instantly recognizable as being Polish. It is beautiful as it is and this would be lost if Cyrillic was used instead.

But no worry, there would never ever be any public support to change it.

Travel / How much it costs a visit of Poland of one week? [7]

I would guess probably anywhere between 2,000 and 4,000 Euros. That's taking into account your return flight, hotel, meals, shopping, local travel, etc. Poland is a large country and you didn't say which part you wanted to visit or what exactly you planned on doing during your trip. I also assumed you were traveling from and back to Algeria.

News / American SM-3 ballistic missile site in Poland by 2018 [86]

If they have to be in Poland I hope their presence will gives no cause of concern for Poles and their families. Americans should strive to establish and maintain a reputation of being a good neighbor such as they do in Germany and not elsewhere like in Okinawa.

Wherever they end up the local community should completely avoid becoming economically dependent on this future American base. This has been the mistake made in the past by other communities in other areas of the world and it is always the locals who suffer the uncertainty and a spike in long-term unemployment when such bases ultimately get shut down.

I don't believe that Poland benefits from having this missile system other than proving to America that it is a trustworthy ally. The excuse given for basing this system in Poland is to stop missiles from Iran hitting Europe. But Iran has never threatened Europe with a military attack. In fact, Poland has diplomatic relations with Iran.

Even if you were to believe the Americans that this missile system is not to counter a potential Russian attack then the only conclusion that can be made is that the system is there to defend Israel from any possible Iranian counteroffensive should Iran be attacked by the West. In that case Poland should not become involved at all and this missile system should be put in Israel itself or some sparsely populated, less significant, and out of the way part of Europe; Scotland for instance.

Travel / How much it costs a visit of Poland of one week? [7]


Yes, well, buying return tickets upfront are typically cheaper but whether this zohir cheribet plans on using them is another matter. He has already posted elsewhere on PF his desire to meet a Polish woman. For love of course! I find it sad actually to read over and over again that there never are any suitable women to be found outside of Poland.

Love / Please help in this long distance relationship (I live in Canada, she is in Poland) [12]

I've heard stories of people who start internet romances only to break up as soon as they finally meet in person. Go visit each other during a short holiday period instead. Planning to defer your or her studies for an entire year is misguided.

Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]


Catherine Tanagli in a triptych by Hans Memling titled "The Last Judgment" in the collection of The National Museum in Gdansk

More of this work can be seen here:
wikipaintings.org/en/hans-memling/the-last-judgment-triptych-right-wing-praying-donor-catherine-tanagli-with-archangel-michael-1471

Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [414]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but there is a lot of old Polish currency from every era being sold on eBay. This should give you a good general idea of the current value for particular notes and coins. Some obviously believe there is a market out there to buy and sell these.

You may also want to contact the Polish Numismatic Society here: ptn.pl/indexe.html


They also have many links to associated organizations inside and outside of Poland here: ptn.pl/htm/linki.htm

Currency from Poland's communist period is unlikely to be popular today but in another decade or so some collectors may become more interested due to increasing scarcity or simply the artistic work reflective of the time.

UK, Ireland / First proper "Polish" School in the UK - The Next Stage of Ghettoisation [283]


Does you logic apply to Jews and their Kosher food markets or when Irish pubs open up all over Poland?

Love / How many Polish girls are married to foreigners? / How many Polish boys to foreign girls? [104]

@rankalee

Why is knowing a number of Poles who marry non-Poles important to you? If you ever got a correct figure what would you do with the information? I can't see any number you get ever proving anything.

Love / How many Polish girls are married to foreigners? / How many Polish boys to foreign girls? [104]

@rankalee

Well, your posting is one of what seems to be a never ending stream on PF about why or how many Poles should go to bed with foreigners. There never is an answer is there?

It's a very odd obsession for so many people (or more likely just a few with multiple profiles) to have. It seems to me as if some just want to discover if there is any reality to their prnographic fantasies. That or there is so much hatred and/or self-loathing for all things Polish that there is a bizarre hope that Poland will be copulated out of existence since so many others have failed in the past to destroy it through war and oppression.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]

The call for immigration to fill whatever gaps exist in Polish society fails to address why such gaps exist in the first place. If Polish schools are not turning out educated students with the right skill set or if Poles are put off from starting families or are having fewer children then there is a more deep rooted problem and bringing in immigrants will not solve it. Immigrants to Poland are very likely to have or want to start their own families. If the schools in Poland are bad then how will the immigrant children benefit? They won't. If immigrants are more willing to do any work at lower wages this will not spur economic growth but keep it flat.

The quick but short-term fix approach is simply to bring in even more immigrants and thus ignore the issues that are disincentivizing indigenous Poles from reaching their own maximum potential in life and at home in Poland. Even the video about the H-1B visa in America (a densely populated, multi-cultural, multi-racial country) demonstrates that theirs is a policy of treading water. It is an admission that they can't or won't develop enough home grown talent but instead continuously rely on the rest of the world to provide it. Such an approach reminds of the expression of having "brains on tap not on top".

Furthermore, since Poland is part of the EU any labor shortages should have been filled by citizens from other EU states. But the OP overlooks this and instead advocates immigration from non-EU countries instead. Why? The OP has admitted elsewhere on PF that his wife is Korean so he does not come to this topic from an unbiased viewpoint.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]


This is the routine script parroted by those with a race to the bottom mentality which was forged generations ago by those who ran British sweatshops and American plantations.

Local workers often decline jobs because the wages are too low. Locals want to stay in their community and grow along with it. This can't happen on slave wages. This is why in your example you mention Ukrainians finding work in Poland but not locals or citizens from elsewhere in the EU. A low wage in Poland is still higher than many found in Ukraine or other non-EU countries. And exchange rates definitely make up for any hardships endured. Furthermore, it can't be the nature of the jobs because otherwise the Ukrainians and other foreigners would be back home doing the same line of work at comparative wages and there would be no need for them to go all the way to Poland to do it.

Therefore Polish politicians should be finding more ways to lower costs for companies in Poland (such as tax levels or regulations) while at the same time denying them easy access to cheap non-EU labor. If any businesses decide to close or leave Poland over this then it is only cutting to the chase. Wage increase demands are inevitable so Poland should not bother with companies whose only motive is short term profits. There are companies leaving or avoiding China entirely to set up shop in places like Viet Nam and the Philippines because they regard China as too expensive now. Who would have thought that just a few years ago? Ah yes but you would argue the companies had no choice but to leave since the locals didn't want to do the jobs and the Chinese have too strict of an immigration policy. Yeah, sure.

Another reality about locals not wanting to do the jobs is that many times they are locked out from doing them. Yes the employers are ultimately to blame but so too are the existing employees since many vacancies are inside knowledge and are still passed word of mouth so it is no surprise you see certain nationalities or ethnic groups dominating certain sectors in any economy around the world. This aspect has nothing to do with skill level or willingness to work at lower wages. It's called hiring your own kind.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]


Yes, but you still speak for yourself not the other 38 million Poles.


You assume "good" immigrants will always be that way. Not so. For instance, you don't want proof that they have enough funds to support themselves so where should the money come from if they become indebted and cannot pay their own way? Don't say Poles will need to have their taxes raised to accommodate them. Also, did you know that many homeless people used to be working middle class professionals? As far as incurable diseases being used to screen out the "bad" from the "good" are you suggesting immigrants should be deported if they contract HIV or a terminal form of cancer while residing in Poland? Some come down with these diseases and don't realize it until many months after they are infected. What is your time window?


You say immigration is natural but want it regulated by your own made-up manmade rules. Listen, I imagine being an immigrant can be a very lonely experience and that is why it comes as no surprise to see immigrants and immigrant families push for more of it. You simply want affirmation from the rest of society that your own personal lifestyle choice was correct. You have doubts and that's OK. You should just admit that you do.


The whole premise of your argument is that Poles are lacking and so there needs to be more immigrants to change the landscape. So why bother with the notion of Polonization if Poles themselves have such innate failings? If you are to be believed then Polonization can't be good for anyone.

Anyway, what's your take on Korea? Too homogenous? Facing its own demographic time bomb and therefore in desperate and immediate need of immigration from the third world? Frankly, this may be polishforms but Poland can't be the only nation on Earth to be constantly singled out on here for some genocidal social experiment while other nations and cultures are kept under a glass case.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]


I'm not wrong at all. It's very clear what you wrote and it is no surprise that you don't like being challenged by anyone regarding it. This explains why you avoided responding to nearly all of the points I raised and asked you to answer.

Like I stated before you do not have a neutral position on this topic. You are biased for very personal reasons and you absolutely fail to understand that because of this you do not speak on behalf or in the interest of other Poles. Your generalities about your own unremarkable experiences in life and the supposed accomplishments of your ancestors mean nothing. And why should they when considering you are such an advocate for social change? You can't have it both ways.

Your position on how Poland should "move forward" along with the high regard you have for your own self-importance remind me of the communist era: totally discredited social engineering forced fed by personality cult party members who were the only ones to reap any benefits while proclaiming their programs were for the good of the whole of the society even while society was suffering because of it. Well, we all know how that ended.

Poland already has mechanisms to attract workers and students from fellow EU states. Poland needs to make this work since it is the established legal process. Poland doesn't need to throw open its borders to the rest of the world simply because you decided to marry a woman from Korea. That's your personal business and it is arrogant of you to believe it should now become the template for all other Poles to start following.

If you really are so pro-immigration like you claim then you should go spend the rest of your life in Korea with your family. You can set up an immigration assistance and settlement program over there. But you won't because doing so wouldn't fit into your agenda.

You are living in denial if you think others don't see that the "pro-humanist" label you carry is very small indeed.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]

@Lodz_The_Boat

You should take the time to read and comprehend my posts before simply reacting to them.

So I'll try again in this simplified response:

Poland is a member of the EU. Do you understand? OK.

The EU has laws in place for its citizens to legally resettle and work anywhere within its member states. Still following or do I need to start over?

If Poland needs immigrants like you advocate there are millions of them already within the EU to draw upon. Many are even unemployed at the moment and looking for work. They are in Spain, Greece, Italy, the UK, France, Germany, Romania, etc., etc. etc.

They are young too and even highly diverse in their heritage especially in places like France and Britain. You even have older workers with a lot of education and experience already within the EU who can legally come to Poland to live and work.

But is this enough for you? Of course not. That's because you have an agenda.

Poland has valid laws on the books regarding immigration. You not liking them is your own problem. You should vote with your feet.

By the way, you can claim all day long that you are Polish and even from Poland but the more you write the more this becomes doubtful.

Life / Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland. [30]

Congratulations Lodz_The_Boat! You won today's prize for the most incoherent, rambling post on PF! It's a given you are very proud of yourself.

For others who are reading, my consistent position in response to this thread is that if Poland has educational problems or labor skill shortages then politicians, teachers, businesses and community leaders need to see what can be done internally to fix this to help and benefit Polish citizens. This is common sense. This is how many other societies work together to make their own countries successful. If persons like Lodz_The_Boat are against seeing Poland develop home grown talent then this is a result of short-term thinking and outright disdain for real Poles. It's not logical; it's snobbery.

If there is an immediate demand for a specialized ability that cannot be achieved within Poland in a timely manner then Poland as part of the EU already has a vast pool of talent to draw upon. Other EU states have millions of citizens who are already assimilated and legal in terms of settlement and right to work. There are EU citizens who have gone to some of the best schools within the EU and even elsewhere. EU citizens also have a good range of experiences. The EU has huge numbers of people from different background and ethnicities. Not just those unique to each country but their own large immigrant communities. You need Turks, Gemany has them. You need Asians, Britain has them. You need Arab/North Africans, France has them. And on and on. It's up to Poland to attract them.

And it allows the market place for labor to work legally.

But Lodz_The_Boat cannot grasp this and doesn't want to. Instead he screams and lies that somehow I am a racist. This is because he has repeated a preference (more like a fetish) to see Poland bring in young foreign born students only; preferably from outside the EU. This position of his doesn't make me or anyone else a racist but it does expose Lodz_The_Boat as quite creepy especially when you take into consideration that he claims to be a married man with children.

Lodz_The_Boat is entitled to believe (foolishly) that only right-wing extremists reach for bullets and bombs. But I encourage him to read the news sometime. People are fond here on PF of singling out Poles engaging in bad behavior as if to suggest that is how all Poles behave. So conversely let's take a look at Lodz_The_Boat's citing America as a model to follow for liberal immigration policies. Let's also include his desire for young immigrant students. Ever hear about Seung-Hui Cho? Ever hear about the Virginia Tech massacre? Yes, just a few years ago 33 students were killed and 23 injured by Seung-Hui Cho a young immigrant student in America who held a grudge. What was his politics? Unknown. He didn't come off as right or left wing. But he did suffer from mental illness. The other mass murderer Anders Brevik did hold extremist political views but he was also found to be criminally insane.

So I refute your pathetic attempt to tie extremism and violence to others when they don't agree with your own biased views on immigration.

But I actually do hope you get your wish of seeing Poland bring in more young foreigners. You even said previously "Educated Poles in their majority wish the country would be a little more diverse :) ... but more important, benefit from the Global pool of intellectual capacity." Fantastic! I also hope you feel the effects personally. Not just by seeing them take up jobs that other Poles can be doing. I hope you get to compete directly with them and they end up putting you out of business. I also hope your family and friends lose their jobs in preference to these foreign immigrants. And why not? There are 7 billion people in the world at the moment. There are millions if not billions of foreigners who can outwit you, your family and friends. They can do things 10x better and at a fraction of the price. You and those you know are already obsolete. It's only logical that you get displaced. You need to give up your place for them. The sooner the better.

USA, Canada / Animosity against second and third generation poles ? [26]


The OP said nothing about "Polish Jews". He is talking about ANY second or third generation person with Polish roots. Why hijack the thread with such a stale topic?

News / Poland's Truth Commission "IPN" to be de facto closed [80]

Don't you just love the Abrahamic faiths? There is always a hair just waiting to be split. Each of them always take great satisfaction in the delusion that their way of following the same invisible sky wizard is better than anyone else's.

Give me secularism any day.

Language / Occupational first name in Polish? [7]

The equivalent of Cooper in Polish is Bednarz which in Poland is a surname only.

Cooper/Bednarz is an occupational name for someone who makes wooden slatted barrels, buckets, etc.; obviously not common anymore.

Was your cousin named after the Mini?

By the way, it looks like you asked this question last June: Occupational first name

Why weren't you satisfied with the responses back then?