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Animosity against second and third generation poles ?


Patzem 1 | 19
25 Aug 2012 #1
Listen. I see a lot of animosity against second and third generation poles wanting to come back to the homeland. What is the problerm? We want to connect back with our roots. We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money..Why will you not welcome us??
MoOli 9 | 480
25 Aug 2012 #2
Patzem
Because they feel they are better then you,cuz now they have access to everything except no money.
TommyG 1 | 361
25 Aug 2012 #3
I see a lot of animosity against second and third generation poles wanting to come back to the homeland. What is the problerm?

There isn't a problem. I'm fourth generation and I've always been made more than welcome in Poland. Helps if you can speak the language and say your pan/pana's...
pawian 178 | 16,081
25 Aug 2012 #4
Listen. I see a lot of animosity against second and third generation poles wanting to come back to the homeland. What is the problerm? We want to connect back with our roots. We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money..Why will you not welcome us??

Come on. Polish Jews can always come back. The stories about antisemitism are largely blown up, don`t listen to morons.
teflcat 5 | 1,032
25 Aug 2012 #5
We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money

Foreign exchange is always welcome; American education? I don't think Poland compares unfavourably with the U.S. I recently read that only 10% of Harvard graduates knew why we have seasons when asked.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Aug 2012 #6
What signals have you detected that you are not welcome in Poland?
rankalee 2 | 56
25 Aug 2012 #7
Why will you not welcome us??

They are just jealous .. I dont care about it. If I want to come back, then I come. If student-foreigners from third world countries are able to live for free in the best hotels of Poland and to get study for free on university, then I can back to the country where my roots are.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
25 Aug 2012 #8
Listen. I see a lot of animosity against second and third generation poles wanting to come back to the homeland. What is the problerm? We want to connect back with our roots. We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money..Why will you not welcome us??

Because in most cases, you won't actually come. Or you'll come and criticise everything in sight because it's not like where you're really from.

If you want to come back and invest, go ahead. You won't, however.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
25 Aug 2012 #9
I've never experienced animosity when visiting Poland. On occasion I've gotten a look from someone but who knows what that means? I speak Polish and I don't act superior in any social setting. I have however, noticed a high level of interest from Polkas, some were even married. Maybe it's my winning smile :)
Bieganski 17 | 896
25 Aug 2012 #10
Come on. Polish Jews can always come back. The stories about antisemitism are largely blown up, don`t listen to morons.

The OP said nothing about "Polish Jews". He is talking about ANY second or third generation person with Polish roots. Why hijack the thread with such a stale topic?
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #11
Why will you not welcome us??

Why do you care what people (here) say? If this is really what you want to do, just do it and don't ask anyone.

American education? I don't think Poland compares unfavourably with the U.S.

I think, you're getting something mixed up here, man.

usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
teflcat 5 | 1,032
25 Aug 2012 #12
I think, you're getting something mixed up here, man.

I'm not at all mixed up. I have heard of many Polish (and other European) children moving to the U.S. and having to be moved up a year because they were more advanced than their classmates.

The research you quoted is to be expected in the richest, and one of the most populous countries in the world. By the way, these universities buy in a great deal of their expertise from abroad by offering European and Asian academics contracts they would be nuts to refuse.

It's probably a better indicator to look at the median levels, e.g. reading age and overall literacy and numeracy in the general population. I know it's anecdotal but when I read website forums the worst English I read is usually from the U.S. btw, I'm not anti-American.
pawian 178 | 16,081
25 Aug 2012 #13
Why hijack the thread with such a stale topic?

I don`t know what you are talking about.

The OP said nothing about "Polish Jews". He is talking about ANY second or third generation person with Polish roots.

Then the OP wrote complete bullshyt and my answer was just perfect for it.
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #15
I'm not at all mixed up. I have heard of many Polish (and other European) children moving to the U.S. and having to be moved up a year because they were more advanced than their classmates.

yeah, on a high school level, maybe, however from my personal experience in Europe, your kids are (in the meantime), just as dumb as ours but when it comes to universities, whatever you've heard, was just a rumor. You can't always listen to people, my friend.
boletus 30 | 1,366
25 Aug 2012 #16
I'm not at all mixed up. I have heard of many Polish (and other European) children moving to the U.S. and having to be moved up a year because they were more advanced than their classmates.

This used to happen in Canada too. Two kids of my sister-in-law, went through it in 1990s.

The research you quoted is to be expected in the richest, and one of the most populous countries in the world. By the way, these universities buy in a great deal of their expertise from abroad by offering European and Asian academics contracts they would be nuts to refuse.

There is also another factor:

Ivy League American universities are very good, many state universities are just average, but all are judged on the same number of criteria, which are not available in Poland, such as money, laboratories. Poor standing of Polish universities have many causes - one is dispersion of resources and publications. For example, in PoznaƄ alone there are six state universities: Classical (where I studied), Technology (where I taught), Medical, Economical, Life Science, Fine Arts and three state colleges: Music, Physical Education, Banking. Add to it about 20 or so private colleges at various level.

If you collect all the publications from all the six state universities, the number will be several times higher than when taken separately.
I bet that would be easily comparable with the total output from all faculties of both Toronto universities: UofT and York.

It's probably a better indicator to look at the median levels, e.g. reading age and overall literacy and numeracy in the general population. I know it's anecdotal but when I read website forums the worst English I read is usually from the U.S. btw, I'm not anti-American.

oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/46619703.pdf

2009 results from junior high schools (15 years old) around the word, as provided by Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA):
Math: Poland 25, USA 30
Science: Poland 19, USA 23
Reading: Poland 15, USA 17
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #17
OK boletus, now ask yourself what all these numbers mean in reality? Do they make you more successful in life? Another question is, what is more important, a high IQ or common sense?
boletus 30 | 1,366
25 Aug 2012 #18
These are the topics I am not willing to participate in, since they are vague and immeasurable.
Teflcat and I just reacted to

We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money..Why will you not welcome us??

4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #19
These are the topic I am not willing to participate in, since they are vague and immeasurable

It's measurable if you open your eyes and compare achievements of people in different countries. You can't take numbers for granted, especially when the presented difference (your post) isn't very convincing.
Piorun - | 658
25 Aug 2012 #20
What is the problerm?

You asked!

We will bring an enormous amount of resources including education and money.

Do you really need tips on how to be even more patronizing and condescending than you already are? You still wonder why?
PS. That wealth you speak of is on par with your education, as someone pointed out both just a figment of your imagination. My advice, join the Peace Corps and stop trolling.
boletus 30 | 1,366
25 Aug 2012 #21
t's measurable if you open your eyes and compare achievements of people in different countries.

Why are you implying something that I have never said or intended. Did I lie about the numbers? Did I put down "achievements" of other countries? The subtopic was Poland vs. USA, not Poland vs. Singapore or Canada. Did not I post the link to PISA results, for you to compare and analyse, not only the numbers, but also various cross-correlations? There are several hundred pages in that document, so help yourself.

But your questions:

Do they make you more successful in life? Another question is, what is more important, a high IQ or common sense?

are way off topic, still vague and they have no other answers but philosophical. But I do not see any data from you, no any correlations. And you want me to discuss it ... with myself? ("OK boletus, now ask yourself"). No thank you.
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #22
But your questions: Do they make you more successful in life? Another question is, what is more important, a high IQ or common sense?
are way off topic

"Animosity against second and third generation poles ?"

You're comparing numbers,that have absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread and you're telling me, I'm off topic, LOL

(another "we're smarter and better", thread)
boletus 30 | 1,366
25 Aug 2012 #23
You're comparing numbers,that have absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread and you're telling me, I'm off topic, LOL

Yes, you are. You started the stupid game:

My response was another set of numbers. And that's it. Now go away. Nothing to see here. I have nothing against you, you might be nice in person, but here you are just inventing things.
peter_olsztyn 6 | 1,098
25 Aug 2012 #24
Some people may ask yourself with annoyance why the hell they want return from land of milk and honey?
Some may afraid of importing sinister capitalism, hard work and life rules, high expectations the customer is always right attitude etc here.
4 eigner 2 | 831
25 Aug 2012 #25
My response was another set of numbers. And that's it. Now go away. Nothing to see here. I have nothing against you, you might be nice in person, but here you are just inventing things.

It looks like you're getting a little confused, my friend ;-)
boletus 30 | 1,366
26 Aug 2012 #26
I am not your friend, especially when I hear your stupid condescending voice. I already told you, at least three times, that I have no desire to talk to you. You are boring, do not you get it?


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