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Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939


Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #1
The making of an example of Roman Polański on Ironside's part brought to memory that from the end of Word War One to World War Two, Poland has had vicious Anti Semitism (some of which, from what I searched, had been scarily regrowing even after the Holocaust). This is perhaps best explained, at least in part, by biblestudyproject.org/doctrinal-exegesis2-messianic.htm#ADDENDUM_3_TO_ISRAEL_SERIES:_THE_TRUE_ROOTS_OF_ANTI-SEMITISM_Part_1:_The_Divine_Aspect along with that Poland was the center for much of Haredi Judaism and Talmudim Bawli w'Jeruszalayimi (Talmudim Bavlim v'Yerushalayimi):

Surely, if Jesus were the heretic of the magnitude He is purported to be in some Jewish circles, Israel should have been blessed for rejecting Him. Yet, just forty years after His rejection, His prophecy came true: Instead of being gathered to Him as He longed to do, Israel was scattered; and their house (Temple, בֵּית־הַמִּקְדָּשׁ, Beit HaMikdash, "House of the Holy") was indeed left to [them] desolate. The Romans destroyed it in 70 C.E. when they crushed the First Jewish Revolt, slaughtered or enslaved many thousands, and scattered multitudes out of the Land. In 135 C.E. they completed the job when they crushed the Second Jewish Revolt. Surely Jesus must have been who He claimed to be: the Messiah of Israel (Isaiah 61:1-2 with Luke 4:16-21). Is not the rejection of the long-prophesied Messiah at least as great a sin as idolatry, for which God had previously judged Israel so severely on multiple occasions?

If Israel had received Jesus there would be no anti-Semitism today. He would have gather[ed His] children together, established His earthly Kingdom, the olam haba12, and Israel today would be the head, and not the tail (Deuteronomy 28:1,13). Now, we must wait for His return to see that glorious day, which we will see when Israel receives Him as Messiah.


What does this mean? That (among other matters,) among those who rejected Jeszua (Jesus), there were those who added to and took from the Word of G-d--including many Jews in Poland and vicinities of Poland (e.g., Wołyń):

In conclusion, what Ironside did should neither be shocking nor surprising; as the Torah warned that Anti-Semitic incidents--such as extrapolating Roman Polański's acts to the acts of all Jews--would occur.
MoOli 9 | 484
25 Jun 2012  #2
The making of an example of Roman Polański

How about JERRY Sandusky lately?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #3
I looked to see if he's Jewish when the case first happened. At least per his memoir, he's fully Polish.
jasondmzk
25 Jun 2012  #4
We oughta shine the light on anti-semitism, any time and any where it raises its head. But. You gotta prioritize. The Islamists pose the greatest threat, and should warrant the greatest attention.
grubas 12 | 1,391
25 Jun 2012  #5
that from the end of Word War One to World War Two, Poland has had vicious Anti Semitism

Prove it!Just don't give me this **** from Wikipedia or American JEWISH newspapers.Have you included in your "research" reports of Homer H Johnson and brygadier general Edgar Jadwin,both members of American envoy sent to Poland to investigate news of ALLEGED "pogroms" or your "research" consits only of JEWISH propaganda?Have you ever heard of Hugh S Gibson the first US minister to Poland and his reports?From Mr.Gibson's diary (1919) "We are in the midst of turmoil. We are getting telegrams every day from

America about alleged massacres of Jews in Poland and instructions to report....
If there were massacres it would be easier to handle for there would
be something to report but it is hard to explain things that do not happen."
Face it,vast majority you of "Polish" jews were never loyal to Poland and in 1918 when Poles were fighting for theirs independence the jews living in Poland wanted to either remain neutral or were hostile to reborn Poland.Most of the jewish victims of ALLEGED "pogroms" in 1918 were either neutral victims of Polish-Ukrainian war or from Polish point of view ENEMY combatants.If you want to find the truth read reports from objective sources not only jewish PROPAGANDA.
legend 3 | 664
25 Jun 2012  #6
Well said Grubas.

Who is behind Wikipedia:
radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/internet/jews_behind_interne t.htm#wikipedia

Jews learning how to edit wikipedia so that every article makes Jews sound like innocent peace loving people (lol).
youtube.com/watch?v=wIYhE-hei2Y

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Whos owns these Newspapers Grubas mentioned?

-Wallstreet Journal – Peter Khan (CEO)
New York Times, Boston Globe- Arthur Sulzberger (publisher)
-New York Daily News- Mortimer Zuckerman (owner)
-Village Voice, New Times- David Schneiderman
-Washinston Post- Donald Graham
San Francisco Chronicle- Ron Rosenthal, Phil Bernstein
AOL/Time Warner Books –Laurance Kirschbaum
US News and World Report- Mortimer Zuckerman
New Republic- Marty Peretz
Barons- Peter Kahn
Nationreview- Michael Leden
Business Week – Bruce Nussbaum
Newsweek- Donald Graham
Weekly Standard- William Kristol
The New Yorker- David Reznik, Nicholas Lehman, Henrick Hertzberg

Ah nothing like a nice kosher list in the morning (lol).

These are simple facts. And yet someone is going to cry anti-semite.
Sure if the truth is anti-semitic than I am guilty.
jasondmzk
25 Jun 2012  #7
Sure if the truth is anti-semitic than I am guilty.

I'm glad you don't dispute it, thus negating your entire post. Do you want the mods to delete it for you?
grubas 12 | 1,391
25 Jun 2012  #8
so that every article makes Jews sound like innocent peace loving people

Yeah,the "Polish" jews (I am not saying all,I am saying vast majority) in interwar Poland were such a lovely,peacefull and innocent bunch.Our "FELLOW" Poles like they like to portrey it,right?Well,some historians have a bit different opinion.If anyone is interested google:

Traditional Jewish Attitudes Toward Poles
by Mark Paul

Whos owns these Newspapers Grubas mentioned?

To clarify the reports of "Pogroms of jews in Poland" in 1918/1919 Jewish press in America were repeated from German press and we all should know that the 1918/1919 Germans were not the bigggest supporters of newborn Poland and were doing whatever they could to discredit Poland and Poles.Still,reports of "pogroms" in Jewish press were aimed at US administration to put pressure on Poland to allow Jews in Poland creation of their own state on Polish territory and they partially succeeded as Jews in Poland were granted privillages not met in any other country.

For the lazy ones who don't feel like doing their own research and specially for PF jews:
In an article entitled, “Jews and Poles Lived Together for 800 Years But Were Not Integrated,” published in the New York newspaper Forverts (September 17, 1944), Yiddish author and Nobel laureate Isaac Bashevis Singer wrote under the pen-name Icchok Warszawski:

"Rarely did a Jew think it was necessary to learn Polish; rarely was a Jew interested in Polish history or Polish politics. … Even in the last few years it was still a rare occurrence that a Jew would speak Polish well. Out of three million Jews living in Poland, two-and-a-half million were not able to write a simple letter in Polish and they spoke [Polish] very poorly. There are hundreds of thousands of Jews in Poland to whom Polish was as unfamiliar as Turkish. The undersigned was connected with Poland for generations, but his father did not know more than two words in Polish. And it never even occurred to him that there was something amiss in that."

. Rose Price recollects: ‘I was born in a small Polish town. In our district, everyone knew everyone else: grandparents, aunts, friends, neighbours, merchants, and craftsmen. The strangers were the non-Jews—the Poles.’ That there was such fundamental closeness and such great psychological alienation is astounding. Both the Polish and Jewish side harboured grievances and prejudices, although these had different sources and disparate natures. The model of bilateral contacts accepted by both sides was one of peaceful isolation, of a life devoid of conflict, but also of closer friendship. The Jews were an ethnic community with a marked consciousness of their cultural distinctiveness, which had been strengthened through the centuries by their common history, and which manifested itself in the cult of tradition and religious ties. Apart from tradition and religion, other important factors binding the Jewish community were the Yiddish language, clothing, customs, and communal institutions.

FELLOW POLES?Give me a break.
You say the Poles pointed Jews out to the Germans?They didn't have to,a Jew among Poles was sticking out like a sore thumb.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #9
Prove it!

You're proving it by your Anti Semitism. How about that?

We oughta shine the light on anti-semitism, any time and any where it raises its head. But. You gotta prioritize. The Islamists pose the greatest threat, and should warrant the greatest attention.

I agree. The Islamists and their buddies will be right involved in the Ezekiel 38 war and are involved what's going on in Egypt (Nof, Mitzrayim) and Syria (Dammesek, Damascus).
pawian 159 | 9,515
25 Jun 2012  #10
They didn't have to,a Jew among Poles was sticking out like a sore thumb.

Assimilated Jews who spoke perfect Polish didn`t stick out, yet they had to hide. Example: Pianist Szpilman.
grubas 12 | 1,391
25 Jun 2012  #11
You're proving it by your Anti Semitism.

Oy vey!Oy vey!Is that all you have to say?People are growing increasingly tired of you jews playin "antisemitism" card whenever you lack argument.Go back to your "research" you Polish hating jew.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #12
Case in point, my own family. We hid because of Anti Semites like grubas and legend. I cannot tell you how emphatically and angrily my granddad denies being a Jew and claims to be a Polish Lithuanian who is related to the infamous Anti Semite Stefan Czarniecki--the Czarnecki variant of whose last name we took, when we were originally Chernetskis in Lipsk nad Biebrzą. Meanwhile, I pray (when I think about it at least; and maybe every day, since I don't know everything that the Holy Spirit prays for and through me) that my Chernetski, Daniłowicz, Laczinsky, Focko (Foczko), Monka, and other Jewish-Polish and Jewish-Polish-Slovak, and other Jewish family contacts me every day. I love my miszpakha, even though many of them hate me--maybe that I'd even be cut off for them, though I can't imagine giving up my salvation (I obviously don't have a heart like Paul did.).
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
25 Jun 2012  #13
Poland has had vicious Anti Semitism

Your country has had vicious anti-Polonism and plenty of other anti-s. What do you think about it ?

We oughta shine the light on anti-semitism, any time and any where it raises its head.

You people make it look cartoonish. The word is losing its meaning. More and more people laugh at it.

We hid because of Anti Semites like grubas and legend.

Fascinating. Where and when did "you" hid ?

who is related to the infamous Anti Semite Stefan Czarniecki

You are offending a great man. You know where you can stick this garbage ?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #14
Grzegorz_

I think that I'm making alijah as soon as I can, G-d willing. How about that? And there's nothing cartoonish about Anti Semitism in any way, shape, or form.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
25 Jun 2012  #15
I think that I'm making alijah as soon as I can, G-d willing.

If that means a brain transplantation then yes, please do it quickly.
Ironside 48 | 9,708
25 Jun 2012  #16
We oughta shine the light on anti-semitism,

Hallo big guy ! What about an apology from you for your racist anti-Polish post ?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #17
I feel honored that a fool like you would consider me in need of a brain transplant. To Ironside, what was Anti Polish about Jason's post? You don't like that a fellow Pole is standing up for the people who were chosen to bless all nations, including Polinjah?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
25 Jun 2012  #18
If that means a brain transplantation then yes, please do it quickly

how could 'aaliyah' mean brain transplant? (lol)
no, it means a Jewish person emigrating/returning to Israel.
Silly.
Ironside 48 | 9,708
25 Jun 2012  #19
To Ironside, what was Anti Polish about Jason's post?

He know what I'm talking about and he isn't Polish.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
25 Jun 2012  #20
Nikidewbear,have you read the the thread that Ironside is referring to?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
25 Jun 2012  #21
Silly.

He's a fool. He hated Jeszua first; he'll certainly hate me.

Nikidewbear,have you read the the thread that Ironside is referring to?

I thought that it was this thread. My apologies if it wasn't this thread. In no way do I condone any prejudice.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012  #22
Nickidewbear,no problem I figured that was the case.
Bieganski 17 | 901
26 Jun 2012  #23
I looked to see if he's Jewish when the case first happened. At least per his memoir, he's fully Polish.

I can't imagine what sort of person would buy or want to read the memoir of a convicted pedophile.

Anyway, according to independent internet postings his grandparents on his father's side emigrated to America from Poland. But given Sandusky's own advanced age his grandparents certainly had to have left Poland when its borders lay much further to the east than they do today and during a time when Poland still had a large Jewish population. Nothing mentioned though about what religion they practiced if any so it shouldn't be discounted that he could very well be a blood member of your tribe. His father was from the US state of Pennsylvania which has had a significant Jewish presence for centuries. His mother is identified as being an Irish Catholic but interfaith marriages were never that uncommon in America. Furthermore, if you were to follow the pretzel logic of most of the expats (mainly British) living in Poland today and posting here on PF then Sandusky doesn't even remotely qualify as being "fully Polish". He is an American.

Also note the choice of spelling of his surname. Real Poles with their surnames ending -ski end it with the letter "i" where as the norm with Jews who have aped Polish surnames have typically chosen to end theirs with the letter "y". The infamous Clinton-era Jewish White House intern and tramp Monica Lewinsky is another example of this preference in spelling.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
26 Jun 2012  #24
I saw the excerpt during the search. Anyway, we're Jews who spelled our name "Chernetski"; and Monica Lewinsky is a Levite woman (Lewit) who has no regard for Torah--and incidentally, we immigrated to Sugar Notch, Swoyersville (and we were not in touch with the Polish Foczkos as far as I know), etc. as Anusim.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
26 Jun 2012  #25
He hated Jeszua first; he'll certainly hate me.

I don't hate you, I simply pity you. You seem to be one more case of a young Jew, who went crazy due to having all the "beware of anti-semties", "the whole world hate us", "Holocaust may happen again", "500 years x Jews were killed in country y" etc. put into you by your elders over the years. Simply get over it, 99.9% don't give a **** about your Jewism until you start throwing "antisemitism" all around the place.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
26 Jun 2012  #26
Grzeg, my great-great-grandparents were Anusim because of Anti Semitism.
MarcinD 4 | 135
26 Jun 2012  #27
Shocking stuff

You people make it look cartoonish. The word is losing its meaning. More and more people laugh at it.

I have to agree. I was shocked to realize on Wikipedia it is considered antisemitic to insinuate Russian Bolsheviks were Jewish. Check out the page & side argument occurring
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
26 Jun 2012  #28
That's because Bolsheviks were Bolsheviks. Their ethnicity had little to nothing to do with it.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
26 Jun 2012  #29
It did in a way. Czarist Russia was very Anti Semitic, and Lenin and many other Jews had, had it!
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012  #30
Let's not stray too far.


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