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Joined: 26 Mar 2009 / Male ♂ 		Last Post: 3 Jun 2013
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berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

according to you only countries who speak slavic language are Eastern Europe? thats something new

Im not even going to dignify that with an answer.
Wait, i just did, it was simply too tempting.
berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

This is my quote from 7 pages ago that started your crusade to prove otherwise:

Ethnically, linguistically and culturally Poland is still Eastern Europe. ;)

Since than you brought religion, art and even architecture to prove otherwise.
Now you are throwing Greeks, Finns and the poor Portuguese into your equation.
I have proven my point repeatedly, know that the majority of the scientific community would agree with that statement and am tired of you drifting off.
berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

As I thought - you don't want to name them.

"You're not able to name the countries. Or you don't wan't to name them - I wonder why? :)"

So, according to you Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, the Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Ukraine are Eastern Europe, yes?

Although you missed several countries, yes, as i said several times Slavs live predominantly in what is Eastern Europe today.

Then what about such countries like:

I fail to see what this has to do with categorizing Poland geographically based on ethnicity and language.
berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Just take the language and ethnicity map and you have the countries belonging to the Eastern European group.

I will happily name them after you give me an enumerated, color coded based on the number of letters and bolded starting with a consonant list of all countries in the world. Additinally i want you to sort them alphabetically reversed and after that switch every 3rd country with each other.

Those are the maps btw:

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berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

who berni????

Paulina ofc.

Berni23, berni23, you still haven't answered my elementary question: which countries do you consider Eastern European? :)

I have answered it several times, you are just to lazy to count them yourself.
berni23   
6 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Still cant let it go, ehh?
Now you only need to convince everybody on how language and ethnicity wise Poland belongs to the West and you are ready to start the New Year as the epicenter of the world.

A hint: Lead with the alphabet, continue with German, French and even English loan words and culminate how Poland was in space.
berni23   
5 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

For further understanding i suggest the following web searches:
"correlation hair eye color"
"polygenic pigmentation"
Viewer discretion is advised.
berni23   
5 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

It has nothing to do with how often i see this, there have been studies done on that.
And your statement that:

One must be naturally ultra blond (or oppositly - pure black hair) to have clear blue eyes.

might seem right from a visagist point of view, scientifically it is simply wrong.
berni23   
5 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

I was just pointing out that what you said was nonsense and with your response you validated it.
And im not here to win or loose discussions, but at least i have the common sense to admit i made a mistake instead of changing the topic and run.
berni23   
5 Jan 2013
Travel / Best place to exchange money in Poland? [98]

It seemed that using my credit card proved better currency conversion-wise.

Usually it does, although it depends on how much you exchange.
berni23   
5 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]

One must be naturally ultra blond (or oppositly - pure black hair) to have clear blue eyes.

Where did you get this gem from? Or was this just another unscientific observation of yours?
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Nope, they are Central Europe just like Poland is, but as i already said 3 times if one would name one region of Europe based on language, ethnicity and culture it would be Eastern Europe.

And this was also the last time.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

So, please, enumerate them. It's not like there are hundreds of them or something :)

Just take the language and ethnicity map and you have the countries belonging to the Eastern European group.

Are we talking about the same map?
Because I wrote about this one:

We are and claiming that France and Germany are culturally identical is ridicules.
They have been fighting for centuries.

I cannot... This is too much... lol

Me neither, the fanatical views that Poland is ethnically and linguistically closer to the West than its eastern neighbors seem to be deeply rooted in some people.

There is no reasoning with such people.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Can someone read what the colors on the map mean? It too small resolution to make out the letters.

Its the Lewis model: Prolly not the best choice of illustrating Polish cultural closeness to its neighbors to the east, but i couldnt find another so fast.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

It is a common mistake to label all Slavic or the former Eastern Bloc states (united under the Warsaw Pact) in the region as located in Eastern Europe.

And we back to political concepts of Europe.

That's why I want you to write down all the countries you consider Eastern European. Enumerate them, please ;)

Yeah, i want many things too.
You seem like an intelligent person and im sure you could manage.

Why big part of France is the same colour as Poland?

They are not.

And Germany and France are of different colour?

I guess i have to retract my previous statement:

You seem like an intelligent person

berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Yes... It's a map showing major ethnic groups... And ?

As i already said twice if one would name one region of Europe based on language, ethnicity and culture it would be Eastern Europe, since geographically it makes the most sense.

What this map has to do with culture ? Please explain...

Wrong link: map euro poland
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

FFS:

I suggest repharsing your thoughts because as you see they are not always understood correctly.

By you obviously.

By the way a dicussion should consist of providing proof for your agruments.

I have provided plenty of facts and will not repeat them over and over.

What we can see so far are just stating the obvious for everyone fact that Poland is refered in many countries as Eastern Europe.

You are again referring to the political concept of Eastern Europe and agian i never stated that.

The Westerners don't consider Poles Western, the Easterners don't consider Poles Eastern - so the only reasonable and logical conclusion is that were Central lol ;) All in all, its' funny :)))

Or Inbetween Europe. ;)

So, berni23, will you answer my question today? Which countries would you put in Eastern Europe?

As you can see i didnt come around to that.
I explained language already.
Ethnically:

Et

Culturally:

rher

And the word problem means idea or matter.

Interesting interpretation.

As if he had a better command of English.

Lemme rephrase that: What you wrote is complete and utter *********.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

That was part of the discussion wit Greg.
Its really tiresome of repeating quotes from the last page over and over, so i took the liberty to skip it that time.

I just felt that the next thing you'd do will be calling me a homophobe.

Was it really so obvious following this post?

Why do you thinks so? Bacause of gay marriage?

And the word problem means idea or matter.

Interesting interpretation.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

As i already said if one would name one region of Europe where a language of the Slavic family is spoken it would be Eastern Europe, since geographically it makes the most sense.

Since you read everything you really seem to have problems with comprehension.

I've noticed in many of your posts that you accuse Poles of being backward in let's call ideological terms (you didn't say it straight forward but you implied it many times).

I call racist, ultranationalists and ahters of anything different when i see it. It doesnt matter if they are Polish, German or Martian.

I'm not a homophobe

I have nothing against gay, and don't mind gay marriage, actually I'm indifferent to that problem.

Freudian slip?
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

So I ask you when Poland will become Western Europe.

Western Europe? Poland seems to move further west with each post.
Never. Unless Europe adepts Esperanto as far language goes.

Hmm... so what's an "Eastern European" culture or "Eastern European" langguage ?

The Western Salvic language family is.

I did. You say Poland is in Eastern Europe due to post WW2 politics.

Well then you didnt understand it.

I am done repeating myself.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

What kind of problems do you suggest I have? I can't understand you.

Poland is and was culturally much closer to its eastern neighbors then its western

Why do you thinks so? Bacause of gay marriage?

Your absolutely unrelated post suggest a number of problems.

What kind of scientists and what for?

Linguists, ethnologists e.g. do foolishly such outrageous things.

So when Poland will stop to be "still" Eastern and change it's geographical placement?

If you still believe Poland is a eastern european country after this information then there is no hope for you ;)

OK so Germany is in Eastern Europe too ?

I suggest you read my initial statement:

Ethnically, linguistically and culturally Poland is still Eastern Europe.

berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Language:

As i already said if one would name one region of Europe where a language of the Slavic family is spoken it would be Eastern Europe, since geographically it makes the most sense.

I will go into the details of your questions tomorrow. Good night.

Over the course of centuries, the vocabulary and literary style of Russian have also been influenced by Western and Central European languages such as Greek, Latin, Polish, Dutch, German, French, and English,[27]

Oh come on, i will certainly not debate if Russian is a Slavic language.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

What do other countries have to do with your challenge of me saying:

Ethnically, linguistically and culturally Poland is still Eastern Europe.

Im sure it would make an interesting discussion, but another day.
berni23   
2 Jan 2013
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

Alphabet, religion, art - it's something of which culture consists of. In this case Latin vs Byzantine.

We could go into details of the Polish Commonwealth, Polish lands in the east etc., but its late, im tired and i will take that:

.

As far as spoken language and ethnicity are concerned we're closer to Slavs in the East than Romance and Germanic nations in the West, North and South or Hungarians and Greeks.

Well, you were hinting at the political division after WW2, weren't you? So maybe you'll explain it to me?

I was indeed hinting at that, but specifically didnt mention recent political divisions.

I dont know whats not to understand. I was stating that i dont mean the political term of Eastern Europe but

Ethnically, linguistically and culturally Poland is still Eastern Europe.

Well, I see that in one article Wiki puts Poland in Central Europe and in another in Eastern (or, at least, the West Slavic languages) :)
OK then, Sorbian is a West Slavic language - does it make Eastern Germany... Eastern Europe?

You are drifting off again.