Grzegorz Braun's firing squad?

polonius 54 | 420

28 Nov 2012 #1

Dziennik.pls has reported film director Grzegorz Braun saying at a club meerting the only way to improve things is to execute a dozen Gazeta Wyborcza journalists and an equal number of TVN reporters.

Is that yet another example of today's 'five minutes of fame syndrome'? It has certainly created a buzz round a none-too-prominent film-maker. Some say he should be reported to the prosecutor.

Where is the line between freedom of expression and hate speech?
When Radek Sikorski said the PiS gang should have their throats slit (zarżnąć watahę), was that hate speech or just a colourful metaphor?

This is another superstition of the Polish intelligentsia , pacifism . The belief that here you can get anything , as there will be expedited to the next world in a sudden , drastic and unpleasant. Well let's say it would take a dozen editors of "Gazeta Wyborcza" , with two dozen employees of co-star 's death , the center today , TVN , did I mention , of course, full-time and sprzedawczykach traitors who always they were (...) . , Well, if to not be shot , every tenth , it means that the soul carouse hell no - said Braun .

jon357 74 | 22,050

28 Nov 2012 #2

Is that yet another example of today's 'five minutes of fame syndrome'? It has certainly created a buzz round a none-too-prominent film-maker. Some say he should be reported to the prosecutor.

A bit of both. It's a dramatic expression of feeling and more droll than anything else, but at least we still have prosecutors that people can report things to, should they be so minded.

xzqbq7 2 | 100

28 Nov 2012 #3

we still have prosecutors

I'd like to know who are 'we'.

Obviously we didn't have them (the prosecutors) when Wajda was tweeting to the world that they were going to shot conservative reporters 'like dogs'.

Marysienka 1 | 195

29 Nov 2012 #4

execute? every 10th? Some people are insane. The message is disturbing.

jon357 74 | 22,050

29 Nov 2012 #5

I'd like to know who are 'we'.

If you need to ask that question, you're on the margins of our society anyway. I quite liked Wajda's comment - better than Braun's.

xzqbq7 2 | 100

29 Nov 2012 #6

you're on the margins of our society

the famous liberal compassion and inclusion

as always Kali (from W Pustyni i Puszczy) philosophy: you include us (good), we exclude you (also good).

OP polonius 54 | 420

29 Nov 2012 #7

What do you think of the proposal to annihilate 160,000 Rydzyk supporters? That was quite a unique and innovative idea.

Zibi - | 336

29 Nov 2012 #8

What do you think of the proposal to annihilate 160,000 Rydzyk supporters?

Is that your proposal Polonius?

OP polonius 54 | 420

29 Nov 2012 #9

No, it was raised a while ago by someone else on PF.

TommyG 1 | 361

29 Nov 2012 #10

You know full well that that comment was not a serious suggestion. I'm pretty sure he was taking the p1ss. I don't know why you have brought it up again.

OP polonius 54 | 420

29 Nov 2012 #11

Becuase he tried to deny it. He could've said he was taking the p*ss and that would've laid the matter to rest. Although that was a pretty curde and stupid joke, comparable to Sikorski wanting toi slit the throats of his political foes or Braun decimating the GW crowd.

Marysienka 1 | 195

29 Nov 2012 #12

What makes "rozstrzelać co dziesiątego" worse is the language. and history.

But it's stupid hate speach - you put yourself as Nazi and other as occupied Poles.

Zibi - | 336

29 Nov 2012 #13

comparable to Sikorski wanting toi slit the throats of his political foes or Braun decimating the GW crowd.

It certainly is not comparable (braun vs. sikorski) not to mention several years since Sikorski uttered his words. "Dorzynać watahę" is a literary expression and general enough as to not provoke prosecutor's action. What Braun stated is simply deplorable.

I also notice that you have that homo sovieticus trait in you Polonius. When faced with facts which compromise PIS and cannot be defended, you dig up some old story which in your mind outweighs the former. Typical soviet approach.

jon357 74 | 22,050

29 Nov 2012 #14

the famous liberal compassion and inclusion

What a bizarre thing to say. Evidently you can't handle the truth.

I also notice that you have that homo sovieticus trait in you Polonius. When faced with facts which compromise PIS and cannot be defended, you dig up some old story which in your mind outweighs the former. Typical soviet approach.

Absolutely spot on.

OP polonius 54 | 420

29 Nov 2012 #15

The 'politically correct' liberal-leftist agenda means compassion and inlcusion only for selected pet minorities and disdian and exclusion towards all those who can see through all the two-faced PC propaganda.

berni23 7 | 379

29 Nov 2012 #16

nah, just for some backward racists
but you gotta love the ingenuity of you guys, calling yourself anti political correct, not controlled by mass media etc.
you are plain nationalistic racists, you know it, everybody else knows it, why not call a spade a spade?
are you not proud of what you are?

Harry

29 Nov 2012 #17

" What do you think of the proposal to annihilate 160,000 Rydzyk supporters?"
I know that no such proposal was made here. What I don't know is why you insist on lying about it.

Ironside 53 | 12,420

29 Nov 2012 #18

You are lying! Delph posted that, and now you and him are denying that fact!

What makes "rozstrzelać co dziesiątego" worse is the language. and history.

I don't see anything wrong with that! Did you read article?

what he actually said:

Let's say I would take a dozen editors of "Gazeta Wyborcza", with two dozen employees of TVN, Not to mention full-time traitors (...)., If none will be punished, shot, one in ten, it means that haven can wait - said Braun.
If treason is not punishable by a capital punishment by the state, that means there is demand, the marked for treason and apostasy.

Meaning that in Poland treason is not punishable but should be and some people do deserve to be punish for their deeds.. Severely to [i]pour encourager les autres

Lenka 5 | 3,490

29 Nov 2012 #19

Meaning that in Poland treason is not punishable but should be and some people do deserve to be punish for their deeds..

Besides traitors he mentioned repopters.What argument could justify that?

Ironside 53 | 12,420

29 Nov 2012 #20

William Joyce was only "reporter" and he even wasn't British!

Joyce was then taken to London and tried at the Old Bailey on three counts of high treason:

Some more if you want:

The only evidence offered that he had begun broadcasting from Germany while his British passport was valid was the testimony of a London police inspector who had questioned him before the war while he was an active member of the British Union of Fascists and claimed to have recognised his voice on a propaganda broadcast in the early weeks of the war (Joyce had previous convictions for assault and riotous assembly in the 1930s).

During the processing of the charges Joyce's American nationality came to light, and it seemed that he would have to be acquitted, based upon a lack of jurisdiction; he could not be convicted of betraying a country that was not his own. He was acquitted of the first and second charges. However, the Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, successfully argued that Joyce's possession of a British passport, even though he had mis-stated his nationality to get it, entitled him (until it expired) to British diplomatic protection in Germany and therefore he owed allegiance to the king at the time he commenced working for the Germans. It was on this basis that Joyce was convicted of the third charge and sentenced to death on 19 September 1945

Nicely done! What makes other reporters immune? lol

Harry

29 Nov 2012 #21

" You are lying! Delph posted that, and now you and him are denying that fact!"
So quote from and link to the post in which he said that.

Marysienka 1 | 195

29 Nov 2012 #22

I would take a dozen of reporters from Gw and from two dozen from TVN and traitors and execute every tenth.

I can see how it is more along the lines of having execution as a penalty for treason.

But a penalty should be for deeds.
I feel that I would take a dozen from this group and a dozen from that and execute every tenth feels like a random "threat to everyone".

Ironside 53 | 12,420

29 Nov 2012 #23

I feel that I would take a dozen from this group and a dozen from that and execute every tenth feels like a random "threat to everyone".

let say!
Are you familiar with conditional clause =?
Anyway he have no means to carry alleged threat! IF you think that he should be punished for such expression then Sikorsky should be jailed because he was minister when he said - we will 88888 them!

Do you see difference between - lets say and we will?
I think the real issue is whether deeds of said groups can be qualified as treason and if so should they be punished accordingly? That is all beef! Those people feel threatened because they know very well they do deserve to be punished! :)

If they think that putting Braun in jail will change minds of many, they are wrong!

But a penalty should be for deeds.

Sure! Misinformation and propaganda are deeds - see William Joyce case - post up!

Marysienka 1 | 195

29 Nov 2012 #24

Ok I don't feel comfortable discussing in English niuances of speech said in Polish.

What I can say is the wording was unfortunate, reading just that article it felt very strong. Listened to get more context it feels less strong but still a bit disturbing.

And no, after consideration I don't think he should be punished.

And I didn't say misinformation is not deed. I did say you do not execute people just because they work for company you believe is a traitor.

Meathead 5 | 469

30 Nov 2012 #25

What I've noticed on this forum is that people who claim to be Polish have German last names and publish the most intolerant and extreme views.

Marysienka 1 | 195

30 Nov 2012 #26

I would not comment on my surname.
It's possible I said it to strongly. I watched bit of that video, and it didn't feel so strong. Reading excerpt out of context often makes things worse than they are.

And in fact this whole situation makes the idea of journalists as traitors more clear to me.

And when I said "Nazists" I meant "hitlerowcy".
And the words create disturbing image of taking random people from some group that is claimed guilty putting them in line , counting to ten and execututing publicly every "tenth". And maybe that is not only Hitler-ruled Germany thing. But it's what comes to mind of a Pole

i just read what I wrote before, and I can see the mistake I made. when I wrote "stupid hate speak" I meant this is a stupid way to say "hate speak", as in my opinion it put opponents as victims not threat.

and "hate speak" was too strong words

OP polonius 54 | 420

30 Nov 2012 #27

So quote from and link to the post in which he said that.

The link has long since been removed so the denier is full of Dutch courage and can boldly tell you to quote from the non-existent link.

Harry

30 Nov 2012 #28

^ Are you sure about that, 'polonius'? It would be terrible if I had to link to the post in question and yet again reveal you as a liar. Care to rescind your claim?

The link has long since been removed so the denier is full of Dutch courage and can boldly tell you to quote from the non-existent link.

OK, 'polonius', I gave you a chance, you rejected it, now I have to show the board yet again that you are a liar. The post from Delph has not been deleted, it can be found here: As can be seen by people who read it, there is no proposal at all. And if anybody wants to try the line that 'polonius' isn't lying but that he simply doesn't know that the post is still up, it was pointed out to him here. And he has also been told not to lie about the 160,000 (by a poster other than me) here: and by Delph here: Personally I'm beginning to wonder why the moderators are happy to allow 'polonius' to repeatedly lie about what another poster said.

Can I ask why it is apparently acceptable to lie about what other posters have said here (and also to do so when those posters are not here to defend themselves from false accusations)?

OP polonius 54 | 420

1 Dec 2012 #29

So if it was not removed, then why keep denying its existence. The offender not only said soemhting general or passive like 'if they were murdered' but actuyally wrote 'if we murdered...'. He thereby included himself amongst the wannabe killers.

The offender should just say he's sorry for the gaffe, slip of the tongue or getting carried away and be done with it.

Ironside 53 | 12,420

1 Dec 2012 #30

I did say you do not execute people just because they work for company you believe is a traitor.

But he only said that is what they deserve and he meant editors and prominent people not technicians.

The offender should just say he's sorry for the gaffe, slip of the tongue or getting carried away and be done with it.

He thinks that he is above such mundane considerations at least on PF - so no sorry! As for gaffe or getting carried away phew?1He only shared his inner thoughts with us.