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Last Post: 29 Jan 2013
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From: oxford
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natasia   
27 May 2012
Love / What strange/unnerving/funny things do your Polish wives do? [153]

You are unsatiable. :):):):)

Well, thank you for the compliment, but actually I was just listing times in order of preference ... not meaning to say those times were my cumulative preference ; )

But yes, reading between the lines, or rather intercepting all the Polish glances around me, I too get the impression that most Polish wives have as strict rules concerning conjugal relations as they do with wearing slippers, etc. - oh, and sex is definitely one of their tools for controlling their guy, so if he puts a foot wrong, that is the first 'privilege' to be withdrawn.

Jeez. I just can't act like that. I mean, are all Polish men puppy dogs, and all the women Barbara Woodhouse? (look it up - an old grandma famous for her dog-training methods ... ; )
natasia   
27 May 2012
Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

It's a natural defence but in Poland it reaches levels above and beyond our comphrension here.

Absolutely. Lying in court is the first thing Poles would expect to do - almost like a kind of obligation ... 'I swear to tell lies, complete lies, and nothing but outrageous lies, so help me God ...' ; )

Seriously. It is breathtaking to us sobbingly-truthful Brits. Almost awesome the way Poles lie.
natasia   
28 May 2012
Love / Polish men calling polish girl for dating englishman [80]

Funny that, I've experienced it first hand by several half witted, uneducated Polish males

can quite believe it. here in Oxford the view tends to be that she has somehow struck gold if with an English guy, not least in that he will do the washing-up and cook supper and be generally nice, as opposed to, er, 'where's me tea?' and 'bend over ...' (what she might expect in Polish ...)
natasia   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

racial abuse

To be fair, you really wouldn't get UK fans shouting racial abuse from the stands in a football match, at, for example, black players, or attacking a group of Asian students who are supporting the same side. Or any side. There is such a mix of people here, that kind of blatant racism doesn't happen. Football matches are for families with kids ... So you really won't get racial abuse at the Olympics from Brits - we are an amazingly tolerant and accepting society here (which has its downsides, but in general is a positive thing).

Come on. We spend all the time on here saying how Brits are x, y and z - let me stand up for us for once. It is bollocks to say there is as much or more chance of racism at the Olympics as in Poland and Ukraine for the football. Poland is like Britain 50 years or more ago re: non-white races. Or almost worse. The comments I have heard from Poles about, for example, anyone black are just unrepeatable. And I genuinely would never ever hear anything at all like that from a self-respecting Brit.

OK. All get het up about that now ... ; )
natasia   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Having lived in Poznan for eight years, I always felt like I could have been beat up in plain site on the street at any time, especially if people found out that I was a foreigner. However, in America in Seattle or Minneapolis where I lived for ten years, I always felt that I could have been shot.

Whereas in Oxford, you could just walk down the street without the slightest fear, as we all do here. The worst we anticipate is perhaps tripping on a bit of uneven pavement.

Stop this silly UK Poland comparisons.

... they started because some idiot said it would be more dangerous for a non-white person to go to the Olympic Games in London than to a town somewhere with a strong Hitler Youth following ... we have to admit that the UK is way more friendly to all people, because we are made up of so many different people now ... whether that is a good or bad thing is another matter, but Poland was closed for so long, no wonder they all look sideways at anyone different. It all just takes time. I hope nobody comes back from Euro 2012 in a coffin. I doubt they will.
natasia   
29 May 2012
Love / Polish men calling polish girl for dating englishman [80]

only yesterday I read a post from you advertising for a Polish husband!!!

oh no that old rubbish ... that was a joke post and dated some years ago ... it gives the wrong impression ... haven't worked out how to delete it ... it seems indelible ...

not that there is anything wrong with a high sex drive, i guess. but combined with abrasive requests for tea on't table and that women should be seen and not heard ... no thanks. too much like bondage for me. ties that tight would hurt, and I really don't like emotional pain.

I wonder how the Polish ladies feel about that, though? I don't think it hurts them. I think they just switch off. One of the phrases I have heard commonly repeated is 'Men are not People'. I always find it a rather sinister reflection on how the female-male thing works in Poland ...
natasia   
30 May 2012
Love / Polish men calling polish girl for dating englishman [80]

well that sounds like a compliment indeed and as i am pretty fxxxxg miserable tonight, thank you ... it has now made me cry because it is something nice as opposed to all the horrible things i have been hearing today ... (long story) ...

which will no doubt be swiftly deleted as not on topic so let's make it so, shall we? With another on-topic generalization such as:

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I mean, c'mon, you live in Oxford. If you were to bend over you'd spill the tea and knock over the little triangular sandwiches!!!
And I know, ladies don't bend over, they bend their knees and lower themselves gracefully, don't they???

Polish guys don't like Polish women to be with Englishmen because they suspect he will put a teapot, some teacups (and saucers), and a sugar bowl with a fluted silver spoon, on the floor, and ask her to pour the tea without bending her knees ... and then the swine will force her to drink it WITH MILK. Criminal.
natasia   
31 May 2012
Life / You've been in Poland a while if .... [49]

you pepper your English with Polish words because the Polish words fit better what you're trying to say

oh yes, jimmy, you are right there ... so right. and when you start saying things like 'they' when referring to the door or your hair ...
natasia   
31 May 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

Now obviously I had a problem here when categorizing this post - 'Relationships, Marriage' ? Or perhaps 'Sports, Recreation' ? But then I plumped for 'General Language', as this really is primarily a linguistic issue, although it will involve exploration of some other areas, shall we say.

I say that because I have a theory (and I'm sure I am not the only one to have stumbled upon this truth) that when speaking an adopted language, rather than one's mother tongue, one has the opportunity to re-invent oneself, and may find new resonances with this new language and one's personality/desires/world view/etc. ... which one has found hard to express in the mother tongue, which was inherited, rather than chosen. Language seems to me to be an expression of culture in the deepest, most intriguingly complex way. And so: I am a different person in Polish. And, interestingly, but perhaps rather worryingly, prolonged exposure (or prolonged periods of being a different person) have changed the way I am even in English ... I am more assertive, less patient, bolder, more self-aware, less of a ditherer ... and, whereas I think I would now feel rather self-conscious and affected having sex in English, I find it strangely, or otherwise, far more natural in Polish.

Am I alone in this?
(well, obviously not ; ) ... but in this slipping into another language and finding that less exposed, somehow, than sex in one's own language?

Ok. Answer that one.
natasia   
1 Jun 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

There's definitely a whimsical, lyrical nature to Polish, which is very grounded and airy at the same time. It's like a sturdier French, whose lyrical sensibilities are much too twee for me.

I could have said that myself. You are extremely very totally right (as Lola would say, if you know Charlie and Lola ...).

French is all twirls and slightly too-thin men, with garlic under their manicured finger nails. Polish has that amazing faux-Russian Dr Zhivago-but-not-quite-so-far Tolstoy-but-a-bit-nearer-and-they-don't-execute-royal-familes sort of thing going on ... and, shifting decades, Polish has a 1970s Slavic chic that just kills me.

There is something raw and noble about Polish, and the juxtaposition of that and startlingly humble surroundings is just delightful. Or perhaps I read 'Lady Chatterley' at an impressionable age and am now just transferring ...
natasia   
2 Jun 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

Well, always remember not to talk with your mouth full!

no, you're right - very rude to do that, and i am English, so try to be polite at all times ...

with such generalisations

actually it was a small, particular detail from a French exchange when I was 15 ... the French girl's father smelt of garlic and took me on the TGV from Paris to Evian, and gave me only a ham sandwich WITH NO BUTTER IN IT to eat ... I was so distressed at the barbarity of a ham sandwich without beurre that I thought I would go and cry in the very fast wc, which, to my utter horror, was just a hole in the ground (and the ground was going by at 500 km/h visible through that hole ... or so it seemed to my disorientated self).

oh, i tried to like it in France. I sort of did. But it was all a bit more earthy than I had expected. I like Poles. They are very clean. All over.

And I find Polish a very sexy language. As it is an acquired language for me, it is something in which I can lose myself, without shame ...

As for whether one or another accent/language is more or less conducive in the bedroom ... I think it's just the speaking a language not your own that is good. Although I have to say I'm also not sure about Liverpudlian ; )
natasia   
5 Jun 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

.Why would I want someone wittering on in a lauguage I didnt understand whilst

well no, I meant in a foreign language which you also understand and speak. I was talking more about you expressing yourself in that language.

And as for France, I was joking.
natasia   
9 Jun 2012
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

If you're a foreigner and you managed to achieve even a basic fluency in Polish
then you must be some kind of a linguistic genius

oh come on ... big, big statement ... surely not true? if so, i am like Einstein on coke ... which of course I am not ... is Polish SO hard? So what, it has cases? So what, the verb endings change? I did Latin ... now that WAS bloody hard ... like Lego, all the time ... any living language is a gift, because you can listen to it ... Polish isn't so bad. And the pronunciation is WAY easier than French, for an English tongue. Like a million times easier.

.Eisenbahnknotenpunkthinundherschieber

oh yes, I did German as well - and you are right - Polish again way easier. German was all bits stuck together (again, very Lego-like) (or much like the new Polo ...). And Polish easier to pronounce than German. For goodness' sake - a few consonant clusters, a couple of 'sh' sounds and everyone is having kittens ... what is this?? Polish is a perfectly reasonable language.
natasia   
26 Jun 2012
Life / Freelance English teacher - Are Polish people unreliable? They continually cancel lessons... [22]

Not practised in Poland.

I always practised that ... and it worked ... but then again, I was adored by all my students (especially the teenage boys ; ) ....

MY THOUGHTS:

Poles aren't exactly unreliable, but what they are is pretty ruthless, and they will usually do what is right for them, without any scruples.

You might get the odd lesson missed, but usually only due to genuine reasons, and usually made up and accompanied by a lot of apology.

If you are getting a lot of cancellation/not paying, I'm afraid to say that is because they probably aren't happy with the lessons. They won't be English and say 'sorry, this just isn't working out' - they will just vote with their feet.

Sorry to say that, but my advice is: think about how you are as a teacher, and how good your lessons are, and how satisfied your clients are. Students who enjoy the lessons and feel they are worth it will not cancel, and will pay.
natasia   
27 Jun 2012
Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]

Time to get rid of this ritual mutilation. All the claimed medical benefits can be just as well obtained through elementary hygiene.

You are totally 110% correct.
natasia   
28 Jun 2012
Life / Izabela? - Advice with Polish name for a girl [36]

The issue with Wiktoria is to me mostly that when your daughter is learning to spell, the 'W' in particular will conflict with English for her. IF she were being brought up in a bi-lingual household, this wouldn't be a problem. But she isn't.

It's only one letter, though. She'll just have to get used to it.

And I think 'Milena' (lovely name) is a different kettle of fish - because it isn't a Polish spelling of a name which is also English. Really, the only thing you are doing with 'Wiktoria' is spelling it differently.

Our daughter is called 'Mia' and we also get a lot of mispronunciation ... that isn't a big deal, though. Personally I think confusing your daughter with Polish spelling is more of a thing. I guess she'll work it out in the end, though. But people will call her 'Wicky' ...
natasia   
21 Jul 2012
Love / 'Seks po polsku' - the sex lives of Poles: [45]

You would have to ask them. And, of course, they would lie. Even if they have less sex than their wives ...

What is all this nonsense about Polish guys being coy little virgins? Have never heard such b**locks in all my life! They are so very up-front, and up for it. They really are. The difference is: they get girlfriends at 14 as well, but are much more careful. Then they get married at 20, and they have lots of kids. And lots of sex.

So instead of, like the Brits, stumbling around drunk and stupid and getting into all sorts of trouble, they are at home, saving money, feeling secure because they have nice kids sleeping in their cots, and they (the parents ...) having frequent sex in the bathroom. That is how it works.

When I first went to Poland, I sat in a street cafe and gawped at the sheer volume of sexy guys walking down the street. Then someone pointed out that there was only one problem with them: they were all married. True. And having sex.

My verdict: Polish guys are highly-sexed. They are usually pretty fit, in all respects. They generally have more sex that their British counterparts. More sex ... but with one person. Which is actually the better kind of sex. And, because they are sexually confident, they are sexier men to be around. Even if married.
natasia   
4 Aug 2012
Life / Why are Polish so conservative and religious? [240]

Why are Poles so conservative? Why are Poles so religious? Why are Poles so uptight about nudity and swearing?

I'm sorry? I guess my past two husbands weren't really Polish, then! What, more lies and deceit? ; )
natasia   
21 Sep 2012
Travel / Why does everyone seem to hate LOT Polish Airlines? [380]

, I've never had any bother in airports

me neither since I just book the seat and saunter past the cruel-eyed Poles to the front of the queue ... with my own happy-eyed Pole who says that Priorytet is the most important part of the booking ... and he is right, totally right.

Love is ... agreeing it is worth the 10 quid to walk past everyone else ; )
natasia   
9 Oct 2012
Love / My Girlfriends Decisions! Am I overreacting? British guy with Polish girlfriend. [11]

I don't think I have enough information to judge this.

You say she had only known him a month, and he was staying overnight. Why was he staying? Did he not have a home? Is he sleeping on people's floors because of not being able to be with his girlfriend?

Ok, yes, I agree, he sounds like a bit of an unstable type, and probably trying to take advantage of your girl in some way. HOWEVER, it was her choice, and hers to make. Who else lives at her house?

As for him being dangerous, etc ... he just sounds like a typical hot-headed Pole. They are a type. They always get into trouble. They drink, fight, and certainly resist arrest. They are just very 'male' - too male. So I don't think he is particularly dangerous - probably not at all - he just gets into fights too easily.

I think, though, that unfortunately you have crossed a cultural line with your girlfriend. I don't know what your cultural background is, but certainly in the above scenario a fellow Pole would have probably congratulated his efforts to resist arrest, consoled him over not being able to be at home, and offered him a drink and a bed for the night. Probably this is what your girl was trying to do, and you wouldn't let her. And she didn't like this, because it undermined her. It is rather telling that she chose the side of the relative stranger with a dodgy past, but maybe she felt some sympathy and compatriotism with him. Either way, I suspect this will have a big effect on your relationship.

And do you really want to be with a girl who is so different from you? Think about it.
natasia   
9 Oct 2012
Love / Understanding Polish men and when they are flirting [4]

Polish men go in for the kill pretty quickly. They like to close the deal. They will get you as soon as you can. It is up to you how long that takes, but generally they will be very persistent.
natasia   
9 Oct 2012
Love / Dating a Polish man - how to impress his mother? [51]

and she is going to hate you anyway

well you have to be realistic and I am sure he knows that, but be warned once children come along everything changes, his mum will be round moaning about your mothering skills and trying to take over and undermining you etc etc...
not trying to put you off or anything.....just watch her...
the best thing you could do is sign up for Polish classes, at least you will be able to understand the old bag when she starts.

Absolutely spot on.

Look, whatever you do will be not Polish, and therefore 'wrong'. Everything will be closely and critically observed. She may criticise and comment from Day 1, or take more time to get there, but get there she will. Don't try and impress her - what's the point? Waste of effort.

Just say: This is me. This is how I do things. Like it or hate it. Tough. He loves me.

She will probably respect you more for the above than any amount of special dishes and doilies on the table.

And never forget: she is a total cow, and perfectly upfront about that, and happy with herself. Never ever let yourself think otherwise.

but like someone posted earlier what will it mean for my children will they not be good enough for her because they are only half polish... this is my main concern

No, they will be her grandchildren, and her main concern will be that they shouldn't be ruined and endangered by their non-Polish mother (i.e., you). She will be in her element as grandmother, and will not find it easy to keep her opinions to herself .. she will feel it her duty to speak up, for the children's sake. They will be fine: it is you who will suffer.
natasia   
13 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

dictate women what to do with their own bodies

I am a woman, and have been pregnant three times, so I can tell you with absolute certainty that: abortion is not about what you do with your own body - it is about what you do with the tiny little body whose life has been entrusted to your protection while it has no chance of protecting itself.

Woman actually CAN'T choose what happens with their bodies - lots of things happen to women that they have no control whatsoever over. They menstruate. They give birth. Even pregnancy itself is a huge example of something taking place within the woman's body, and she is not in control of that process. Nor is she meant to be - it is a natural process.

At the end of the day, she will live with her secision, no one else.

And that is as huge a problem as the termination of a life. Everyone around her will suggest abortion as the sensible option, but then they will all go home to their warm beds and families. And she will be the one left with the responsibility, and grief for the rest of her life, of never having seen her child's face.

Abortion is the biggest maltreatment of women around that I can think of. A significant number of women, however well they hide it, are very seriously affected emotionally, and many have problems with anxiety and other disorders to the end of their lives as a result of having gone ahead with a termination.

This isn't a simple subject. The woman's role as a mother, protector and nurturer of life, is completely undermined and trashed by abortion. This doesn't only have a catastrophic effect on the child, but also on the mother - and she is the one who has to go on living.

It is an unjustifiable act of, to my mind, extraordinary double standards, and it will no doubt be outlawed in decades or centuries to come, and looked upon as the grossest barbarity.

And, to be fair to Catholicism, this is exactly how the Church views it. The 'liberals' will work it out one day.
natasia   
13 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

If you get tapeworm, I hope you take your own advice, and just let them live out the natural process of their lives.

wow, you people are sick.

A foetus is not a baby, terminating a pregnancy is killing nothing but an assembly of unconscious cells.

why bother to post if you are just going to repeat the standard non-thinking 'wisdom'?

I am sorry, but I think only those who have been pregnant, and have had children, and also had a pregnancy terminated, are qualified to speak here. An unborn child - well, ok - say an unborn human being, then - is not just a bundle of cells. Well, in that case, we are all just a bundle of cells - just a bigger bundle, and able to breathe on our own and not needing total protection in which to develop and grow, from those who have brought us into being.

I am not any kind of 'god-botherer', and my sense of what this is all about is only born out of experience. When a woman is pregnant, she immediately, and keenly, feels the role of protector. To undermine this is really a most disrespectful, and ultimately violent, act.

Think what you like. I know. It is like people who think they know what it is like to lose a parent when they still have theirs. People just don't know. Ignorance is bliss.
natasia   
14 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

given all medical evidence that foetuses are not sentient individuals,

the medical profession as a whole do not oppose the procedure.

These things just aren't true.
natasia   
15 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

Are you saying these people are unnatural?

These women were giving their permission for something unnatural to be done to their bodies and unborn children, yes. Of course yes.

This whole discussion reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes to me. So much talk about labelling, about what a just-conceived child is or isn't, but the feeling as a person who goes through the process of abortion is quite simply that you have allowed someone to kill something. Very very simple, very stark, and very shocking. And before one has an abortion, there is a lot of talk about how the baby isn't a baby yet, etc etc, but that is all ... bollocks.

A sperm isn't a human life. An ovule isn't. But when they fuse, they suddenly become a life. From the very second they fuse, because from that moment the person is created.

If you have a tiny sapling in your garden, it is a fxxk of a lot easier to dig up and burn than a huge oak tree, but just because it's easier to do, does that make it OK? Do we say that because in the first few weeks of growth, a human life is tiny and easy enough to get rid of, that it is therefore OK to do that? This discussion is split between those who say yes, and those who stick their necks out and say no, even though it is easy to do, we should not allow ourselves to do this - we should not allow ourselves to dispose of human life in this way.

And actually, at 12 weeks, when abortions are frequently carried out, the heart has been beating for several weeks, the baby or whatever you want to call him or her is a boy or a girl, has features, fingers and toes, fingernails and toenails, can feel touch, has other senses, and is a miniature person, 5.4 cm long only, but a little person, folded within his or her mother, for protection. The extraordinary explosion of life, the swiftness with which two cells become millions, is such a force that by 3 months, an unbelievable development has taken place. And by 20 weeks, the baby is perfectly formed.

So you can pinpoint a moment when life begins: the moment of fusion of sperm and egg, when they cease to be ingredients, and become someone.

But you know, the development of the unborn child isn't really the question - the issue is one of protection, and responsibility. The unborn child, as has been said, cannot scream or shout or protect itself - only the mother can do that. And if the mother's natural sense to protect is undermined and compromised by encouragement to 'abort', then hell is come again, really.

And still nobody seems interested in the effects on the mother. The grief of not having seen your child's face ever is far worse that the grief of losing someone whose face you know - because at least in that situation, you have the comfort of memory, and of the knowledge that you were able to show that person your love.

If an institution such as the Catholic Church, or the Polish government, want to make abortion a big issue and advise against it, or even legislate against it, then all strength to them. It is this talk that a human life is not a life, which is the most damaging and perfidious. It is a life, but it is easy to get rid of. At least be honest about what you are doing.

If you said to pregnant women considering abortion, 'OK, this doesn't suit you, so we can kill the baby for you because it's still tiny' - that would be honest. But of course the numbers having abortion would drop ... so what would also drop? THE REVENUE FROM IT.

It's a money-making business, and totally without morality on the part of those carrying it out - believe me. I had experience of the 'British Pregnancy Advisory Service' - what a misnomer, and a scandal.

So don't you guys all come on here huffing and puffing about when life begins. The facts are obvious. Just be honest about this. It's about convenience, and money.

Thank you, by the way, to those men who seem to get it.
natasia   
15 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

So are you against in vitro?

wow no why should I be? It is assisted fertilisation - what is wrong with that? Fusion in utero, in vitro, wherever - still the joy of new life.

And for all those who will now say 'but you said unnatural is bad' - yes, it is bad when it means destroying life and undermining the integrity of the mother, but when it is to promote life and health, then good. Unnatural in itself isn't bad - just depends what the motivation/effects are of intervention.

If you take that approach, it means all but natural medicine is by nature "unnatural".

No, you are misunderstanding me. I said that to use medication and/or surgery to remove an otherwise healthy, stable pregnancy was an unnatural act - perhaps more precise if I rephrase: an artificial intervention, designed to interrupt a natural process.

I agree that intervention to prevent disease or death is also artificial, but it is for good purpose. The debate here is how termination of a pregnancy, although physically possible, is for bad purpose. And my additional point was that in the act of interrupting this natural process of pregnancy, you leave the mother with anything up to severe problems in dealing with the shock.
natasia   
15 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

for me they should be protected in whichever choice they want to make, regardless of whether I think it's right or wrong.

Absolutely, but what concerns me is not the obvious coercion in to abortion that happens in some cases (the 'usun to, kurwa' school of support), but rather what we have in the UK, which is a not-so-subtle leaning in favour of abortion in a lot of cases of unmarried, younger women and pregnancy. Abortion, if the 'time isn't right', is suggested as the sensible alternative. If a young or unmarried woman goes to the doctor and says she finds herself unexpectedly pregnant, the doctor will say 'Have you decided whether or not to keep the baby?' ... which seems to me to be a question which immediately undermines the pregnancy and suggests that it is a decision still to be made.

I completely sympathise with those in a situation where it would be dangerous or involve awful hardship to have a child, such as when the pregnancy is as a result of rape, but I don't believe that just because you hadn't planned to have a child now, and would have to make changes in your life such as moving home or having less disposable income or being embarrassed to be an unmarried mother, are sufficient justification for terminating a pregnancy.

I suppose what I am saying is: abortion should be considered only in situations where to continue with the pregnancy would result in severe mental and/or physical damage to the mother - i.e., only in extreme situations. And what do you know, but the wording of the 1967 UK Abortion Act calls for two doctors to verify independently that this is an extreme case, and only allows legal abortion on the following grounds:

a)that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or

(b)that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or
(c)that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or

(d)that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

Which is not how it is applied. So if Poland wants to make sure things are under better control, then that is good, surely?
natasia   
15 Oct 2012
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

Then the RCC needs to change its stance against contraception

I think that what the RCC is saying is that we should give life the chance to be created, and that if it manages to make it, we should cherish it.

To be honest, as a woman in a close relationship, I know damn well that we can make a child if we choose, and not if we don't choose. I am not fertile 30 days of the month ... we know automatically when we have the potential ... and if we don't want a baby, we control ourselves. That is the same for everyone. Being in touch with oneself is the way, and the RCC is I guess just saying that they have to support procreation, but they know that in reality, there is flexibility if we are only a little careful and mondre.

No?