News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


So deseases, genetic desorders and rape are the results of poor choices? Good to know.

Did you read what I wrote? What abortion clinics? We are talking about situation when the doctors say after tests: there is a problem we have to talk about (the pregnancy is dangerous to you, your baby doesn't have chances to survive...here are the options ) and letting her decide. And yes, she will have to face the consequences so she should also be the one to make the decision.

Thankfully she doesn't have to 'wriggle her way out' of anything...yet.


Maybe I did take it wrong but to me it seems that you wanted to say that giving a women the right to terminate the pregnancy even if it endangers her life is in no way beneficial to her no matter what she thinks about it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Who are you to say what is benefitial to women? Why aren't we allowed to decide for ourselfs what is good for us? Why this constant 'saving women from the trauma' bs from the pro life side? Let them worry about themself and leave me alone.

It's one thing to say about saving the life from conception and quite another to sell the bs about helping women while in fact taking the right to decide away from them. Especially when you want to eradicate abortion even when the women life is in danger... oh yeah, real do gooders for women.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

That's bollocks. There were always ways for women to abort even including herbs. No one 'introduced' it because it was always there. The difference was that the methods were not as reliable and more dangerous.

You are free to have your opinion but talking about abortion as something that appeared only in recent times is simply wrong.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [239]


What you actually said was:


And:


And you have a living proof in me nad Paulina that we do know them and also sang them. If anything else that comment shows your ignorance of Poland as Hej Sokoly is basically a must on Polish big parties. But you say you never heard them being performed.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [239]


And yet in your post you attacked Polish culture:


And yet earlier you posted that Poles don't know any such songs (even one verse was your opinion I believe) and don't sing it at all. Now you change your tune to 'not as alive'


And Irish is not?
Plus you focus on one or two things and if they don't exist in their 'true form' you deem them dead. Culture is also food (were in Poland traditional foods are still eaten on regular basis even abroad) in patterns (plenty of folk patterns still appear in modern designs) and so on. Your claim that because we don't have (or remember) as many songs as Irish our culture is dying is silly. Folk culture is not the only culture. We have centuries of music, literature, legends and language to talk about, both from folk culture as well as the one created in towns so focusing on folk songs is, again, silly.

And we still create our culture. Culture is not some dead object that you have or not. It's alive and evolving (including also foreign influences) and created again and again by each generation. I would rather say that the culture that doesn't change and is not given new 'food' is a dead one.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [239]


I love it too. My older sister called it a ''song about Marysia' when she was little since she didn't know what rozmaryn was. I also like 'u przasniczki' but they are not as popular as Hey Sokoly.


I usually am pretty patient and can't be bothered but enough is enough. No one who truly respects his culture should disrespect others.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [239]

I have nothing against you being proud of your Irish culture but you shouldn't belittle other cultures to feel better about your own. That's a weak person tactic.


So folk song is the only sign of culture? How silly of you... have you ever been to Polish party with drinking singing of Hej Sokoly? Have you ever heard Polish kid saying Kto Ty Jestes poem? Do you know how many ppl know whole passages of Pan Tadeusz or parts of Trylogia?

If you think Polish culture doesn't exist because you didn't meet ppl singing folk songs from memory than you are just one silly goose.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Moral right? No, I don't think so. It's not a god given right to have a gun. It's a man made product that falls under certain regulations as almost anything else.


And? Your building permit are granted by government workers not elected, you are judged by judges that are not elected... the same goes for driving license, permission to open a shop, sell alcohol so on, so on.

And I definitely wouldn't want someone granting permissions just because he wants to win votes.


So you do have a proof (and not only your assumption) that they wouldn't get the permit! Great! Can you share it with all of us? Or maybe you have an argument how they would suddenly find money for it if only someone else was granting the permits?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Do I stop pro gun lobby? Not at all. Let them try to promote it all they want. All I'm saying is that at this time such change in legislation would go against the views of majority of Poles.


And they can do in the frames of current law. I'm not stopping them, am I? However I have the right (as the majority of Polish society it seems) to be against any changes in the law.


There is no confirmation that there is an increase or is it in any substantial number. If there was another poll we could judge somehow but for now it's only assumption.


No, it's a right. You might not like how it's granted but that doesn't change the fact that Johnny's friends didn't even apply so there are no grounds to say they wouldn't get it. Simple as that. More relaxed laws would do nothing for them as their issues are money related.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


The only poll I found is form 2009 but the results are pretty clear 83% against softer gun laws:
wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1347,title,Sondaz-Polacy-nie-chca-wiekszego-dostepu-do-broni,wid,11327314,martykul.html

Even with increase of 10% (and I doubt there is such increase) you are talking of over 70% of society against changes giving easier access.
Do you have any proof to the contrary? Beside talking to your friends that is?


But they didn't use the rights they have. It's not like they were stopped from owning a gun, is it?


I seems to me it's you who are trying to say what's good for Polish ppl even thought you are not even a resident in this country.

BTW, I would really appreciate it if you stopped your childish catchphrases and writing in CAPITALS when you respond to me.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Isn't that called democracy? The majority of Polish society doesn't want a change in gun laws and if individuals want U.S. kind of gun law they can get it- when they move to USA


So they don't really have problems with the gun laws in Poland, they just can't afford it. Nice to make it clear.


Sorry, I misunderstood you. The discussion is mostly about USA kind of gun laws vs. European/Polish ones. I jumped to conclusion.


It all sounds good and I'm all for strong defence forces however I'm suspicious of such groups a bit. Who would be in charge, what kind of selection would they have ( many ppl may be drawn to such forces for all the wrong reasons), what regulations would be in place... many questions that have to be answered.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Yoh both act like there is complete ban on guns in Poland. It's not the case. Any citizen can apply for gun permit. Getting it is a different matter but the thing is most ppl don't even think of applying. So I wonder where that 500,000 ppl may come from or where you'll find popular support needed for the change in legislation.

Once I see any real data about parliament working on legislation, civil unrest to change the legislation or anything else Johnny's comment is only his perception, not a fact.

Even if there is increase of lets say 50000 ppl in support of guns it's nothing compared to the whole country.
If Polish nation would decide by over 50 % that they want guns then you could say 'Poles want guns and the government is stopping them'. As it is is some individuals wanting guns

One question to you Johnny- did your friends applied for gun permit? And if they did why didn't they get it?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

I don't doubt your friends would like to own guns as you made it clear before that the ppl you talk to would like more American style gun laws however it doesn't mean:


There is nothing to indicate that Polish ppl swayed in that direction and no initiatives worth mentioning. So whatever your friends say to you is their opinion and you shouldn't draw such far-fetched conclusions. If that's your only base for such statement I could easily match your every friend with my friend that doesn't want the gun legislation to change.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Any proof of that? Or you just project your wishes?

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

I understand your feelings and I'm sorry about your family.
I hope you don't think I try to deny the horrible acts of the past. I have no such intentions. But this memorials for me are the merit of the war: young boys being thrown in a situation they didn't cause and didn't want to take part in (of course excluding the monsters that were among them) on whichever side. You know that Soviets were awful but they were not more merciful towards their own ppl and for example soldiers that were caught by the enemy couldn't count on their country help and quite often ended in Siberia themself.

I preach compassion for the little ppl, the ones forced to be in the war and killed because of it. We should remember them because they are too the victim's of war.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

BTW I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

I think it's moronic for few reasons
We both agree that the Soviets harmed Poland and Polish ppl in many ways so why not keep at least one thing that they gave us as part of repatriation? I would prefer the metro but well. Would you suggest to demolish metro if that was what they 'gave' us

Very few ppl view it as Soviet anymore and in fact it's part of the Capital city not insignificant to it's identity
It serves the public in many ways and Poland doesn' have the resources to demolish a perfectly good culture building
I view it as kind of 'na złość mamie odmrozic sobie uszy' type of behaviour. Demolishing it wouldn't change anything. It won't change the horrible things that happened during Soviet ocuppation and will only make us loose a big building that we can use for good things.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

We agree a bit but not completely:
* I would leave them were they are
*I wouldn't do it to 'show the Soviets' but to make sure that even though we respect the fallen soldiers whatever nationality they are they were not the force freeing Poland but in fact occupying it

*I would do it to minimize the effect of the writings on the monument not out of revenge or to spite anyone
*I wouldn't mention Katyn( in my opinion that would degrade the memory of ppl who died there)
*I see no reason to demolish Palace of Culture and in fact think it's a moronic idea
I think that sums it up

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]


Even more reasons to keep them. It's part of our history. Maybe with an information next to the monument reminding that Soviets occupied Poland and few other historic facts? But by you suggesting demolishing Palace of Culture I can see it's not really the monuments or historic truth you are interested in but your own feelings.


They were. My grandma even yelled at the soldiers for lying in her beds without washing or taking their shoes off. The officer intervened and made soldiers wash.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

You still don't get it, do you? We are not saying that Soviets were a nice lot happily welcomed by Poland e.t.c. We are saying that this mouments (that quite often are also grave yards) are simple monuments for fallen soldiers who quite often didn't even want to be there. My family had to host a Russian brigade against their will and guess what- no one got raped. So it's not like Soviet soldier is a synonym for rapist.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

Well as you mentioned Silesia there is a church near my town where on the wall you have a place to put flowers and mourn Wermaht soldiers. No one is bothered by it. It's again a monument to the soldiers that died and not Nazi's policies.

I think you are a bit blinded by your personal experience. If your family died in a concentration camp and not Sabiria you'd be talking about them. And I don't believe Soviet soldiers were any better or worse than any other(of course the ppl giving orders are a different matter). The only thing is they fought on the side that ruined Poland (the same as Nazis)

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I come from Silesia. That granddad I was talking about was Silesian. While it's true their presence was no picnic I don't understand how it would change anything. Do you think Nazis were sweet and helped old grannies through the road?

And believe me there were plenty of German soldiers that believed in the glory of Germany, especially when the war just started and they were going towards Russia and not back.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [325]

Well Dolno, my grandpa fought in the war and he always said they all were soldiers just like him. Germans, Russians quite often didn't want to be there. That's the soldier's fate. If he who fought with them could view them like that I think I have his blessing in saying the same.

They were just soldiers that died far away from home.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


No privileges make up for loosing control over one's body. And if you didn't notice for a long time we are more or less trying to make both genders equal.


I am a women and yet your equal. It's not a privilege you give me and can take away.
And yes,to me as a women the vision of the new law is scary. I'm young enough that I have still many years in which I may get pregnant. And guess what? I'm not happy with the possibility that I may have to give birth to my rapist child or to a kid that will only live few hours or months in terrible pain.

For you I may seem melodramatic but for you it's more or less just theoretical question. For me it can become very real issue every month.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Sorry but I have no idea what you are on about here.


Certainly more than the Church in this situation. After all she for sure wouldn't have any problems with paying for a visit in a nice clinic somewhere outside of Poland.


I'm not planning on being raped but it would be nice to know that if I got pregnant in a result of rape I would have the possibility of abortion.

And since current law doesn't allow abortion in a case of 'sleeping around' I can only assume that it's your failed and disgusting attempt at being clever and funny.


It's not since they are not abortion pills.Their task is to slow down ovulation so there will be no conception. No conception=no abortion.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The current law allows 3 situations in which abortion is legal:
-the pregnancy is the result of illegal act (usually rape)
-the fetus is very sick
-the woman health and life is in danger.
I don't think anyone can call it too lenient.
Before PiS came to power the morning after pill was available without prescription but now you have to go to a doctor again. The abortion under the new law could be terminated only if the mather's life is in danger however I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to block that as well. And the women should be prosecuted and charged for up to 5 years in prison

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


That's what Nowacka said- that this ban will hit poor women the most since wealthier women will just go abroad. If you don't have a penny you'll be f*****.

I'm not panicking just yet but the vision of the future is getting scary.
For PiS supporters it may be worth remembering that they tried it last time and Maria Kaczynska herself organised a meeting in support of the current law.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

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News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I don't as I have no reason to do so. However it's hard to deny that that law will affect women not men ergo women are more interested in it. Plenty of Buzz on social media as well. We'll see if the initiative will gather enough signatures...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Well, that will be interesting to see. Women already get ****** off. I didn' see a single positive comment about the new proposal on the most popular portals. Even gossip site like Pudelek reports this proposal and most comments I saw there and elsewhere is that priests went mad and should sort out their sh** and not get involved with this.

Some right-wing politicians are not too happy as well. Gowin (if I remember correctly) said that even though he's against abortion this new proposal will change Poland into unchristian country.