Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


And there's the law that may prohibit such surgeries if they're no longer needed...

What are you - some fan of people mutilating their bodies and risking their health, even if it's not necessary? o_O What the hell?


Why not? Do you have any proof that French public channels lack journalistic quality or that this article was "placed by a pressure group"? o_O

And what about the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare and Karolinska Hospital in Stockholm? Don't you think they had a good reason to restrict gender reassignment hormone treatments for minors? Or is that a result of some kind of conspiracy too, according to you? lol


Hey, I'm not the one being in denial of facts/reality here.

And the fact that something is very rare doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Every person matters.

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


Yes, there will be a reason not to develop it further (at least for the purpose of sex change) if scientists/doctors will find the cause for gender dysphoria and other treatment will be available.


You mean the ones that write something that you don't like? lol


You mean such "pressure groups" like the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare and Karolinska Hospital in Stockholm?? lol

Oh dear, jon357... I see you're one of the people those kids should be protected from :(

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


It doesn't look like it's always the case. Have you read that article on France 24 that I posted? Mikael Kruse from that article was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and Attention Deficit Disorder only after he changed sex (and later he detransitioned).


How do you know what's more likely to happen in the future?


What on Earth are you talking about?? o_O And why did you use quotation marks with "girl"? You realise that Shiloh Jolie-Pitt was born a girl, right? lol 😂🤦

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]

@mafketis, I think there's a high profile case that is probably a good example of a minor changing her mind about what sex she wants to be - Shiloh Jolie-Pitt. When she was a kid she wanted to be a boy, she was wearing short hair, boy's clothes and told others to call her "John". She thought she's one of her brothers. But later when she grew up into a teenager she started wearing long hair and feminine clothes (allegedly her friendship with Suri Cruise had such effect on her), so it looks like she had a change of heart.

Kids and teens are often very impressionable and entering puberty can make you feel confused and that's why I think people should tread very carefully with this stuff.

Shiloh Jolie-Pitt earlier as a "boy" (on the left) and later as a girl (on the right):

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


I don't know about that... It looks like that minors should be getting first and foremost proper psychological care, so they wouldn't do something that they'll regret later:

france24.com/en/live-news/20230208-sweden-puts-brakes-on-treatments-for-trans-minors

Sweden was the first country in the world to legally/formally allow sex change, so it's hard to accuse that country of "intolerance".


I disagree, gender isn't changing. Gender roles are changing to some extent and at different paces, but not biological gender. In developed societies people are simply often more tolerant and accepting of people who are "different". No matter whether it's your lifestyle that makes you different, your life choices, sexual orientation or health or mental problems.

Sex transition for people with gender dysphoria is simply the only treatment that is available these days. It is a way to accommodate them, to ease the distress caused by their condition. It doesn't mean that somehow suddenly biological sex became "fluid" and people morph naturally into whomever they want.

Maybe one day medical advancement will go so far that it will be possible to completely change a man into a woman and vice versa, but right now it isn't possible and so I can't consider a man after sex surgery to be a real woman. There are things that those surgeries and hormone treatment simply can't do (at least not yet). That's a fact. Wishful thinking won't change that.

It's also possible that in the future science will discover what causes gender dysphoria and better treatment will be available and those invasive sex change surgeries simply won't be necessary anymore.

We still know too little about this condition, imho.

Btw, this is not a political/ideological issue for me. I look at this from medical and psychological perspective. I care about the well being of those people. So, as far as I'm concerned people with agendas - whether it's right-wing or LGBT agendas (I don't care) - who use those people for their "fight" can go and "f" themselves, because I'm getting an impression that they don't really care about those people, but only about their issues.

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


And here I disagree. Sex is a biological fact, not a figment of imagination. Even someone after full sex transition is going to be for me a man or a woman "after sex surgery". I will address them the way they want to be addressed to make them feel good, but that's it. I'm not going to be in a denial of reality.

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


To be honest, I don't care what was the original reason for the creation of such spaces. I want to feel comfortable and relatively safe in a public toitlet and I don't want men to use toilets for women, unless it's a father accompanying his little daughter or a guy after full sex transition.


Whoever decides about that - they should apply common sense and make sure they're being fair towards women.

Life / Boys acting and dressing feminine, girls acting and dressing masculine - transgender teens in Poland [272]


Yeah, I have some serious doubts about this stuff too...

For example this case:

fb.watch/jgpPcQsMCR/

Check out what this "woman" looks like:

polskieradio24.pl/5/1223/artykul/3004346,transplciowa-plywaczka-nominowana-do-tytulu-kobiety-roku-ma-biologicznie-niesprawiedliwa-przewage

According to that video on FB that swimmer didn't have his penis removed and yet women were forced to change together with him in the dressing room and compete with him - and of course he would win, because he was bigger than women, he had wider back, bigger lungs, bigger hands and feet.

That's simply unfair.

I'm all for tolerance and inclusion (and making those people feel better about themselves), but there should be some common sense applied.

To be honest sometimes I can't blame people from other parts of the world when they get bewildered by what's going on in the West, because such cases make the West look like it went cuckoo. The West is shooting itself in the foot with stuff like this, imho.

Lately I've come across some kind of Polish add/article spreading awarness about the colour of blood during menstruation that was addressed towards "menstruating persons" lol To be honest, it made me chuckle and I can live with being called a "menstruating person" instead of a woman, but what shocked me were some of the comments. One woman O_O, for example, wrote that not only women are menstruating, which is simply not true ;D Only women menstruate, because only women have uterus lol This is basic knowledge from biology and that comment was written by a grown woman! o_O What the hell...


I think by "women's spaces" people mean places like public toilets, etc.

I think I personally wouldn't mind if they were used by men who went through full surgery and actually resemble women. Because in other cases any pervert can claim that he went into the toilet for women, because he "feels that he's a woman".


I don't think anyone claims it's the only thing, but yeah, we do have problems (some societies more than others, obviously):

japan-experience.com/plan-your-trip/to-know/traveling-in-japan/women-only-cars-on-trains

Life / Don't Forget: Tomorrow, March 8 is Women's Day in Poland! [140]



A belated thank you! :)

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

@jon357, I know, I kept a book for children from my childhood with his illustrations :):



I can't say I'm a great fan of his style, but he did better stuff than that poster, imho.

Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]


I like this one, for example:



There's something serene about it :)

Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]

@Miloslaw, the kid is the author's son.


What's so weird about them?


It's a poster for Polish airlines... People for such posters or advertisements usually aren't being dressed in rags, even in communist countries.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]


Yes and the slogan on the poster makes it even worse, I think... Besides, it's pretty dreadful artwise... There were better LOT posters, imho.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]


I don't know about that...
When I was in a restaurant in Germany with Polish female friends we were mistaken for Italians by Germans who were sitting next to us even though we were talking in Polish... Germans don't seem to have a clue about languages o_O Those "sailors" probably might as well be speaking RuSSian or Inuit lol


Interesting... That story reminded me of those mysterious "Spanish" divers in Poland...

Po polsku / Staram się polepszać się po polsku :) [85]


Tak, języka trzeba używać i nie bać się popełniania błędów :)


To jest przecież wytłumaczone w gif-ie: "you can't feel it, but it's there!"


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Po polsku / Staram się polepszać się po polsku :) [85]

Witaj, Oleńka! Pisz, będziemy czytać :)

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

@Bobko, I won't accuse you of "conspirological type thinking". Rather spreading misinformation.

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

@Bobko, I meant that your whole comment #1,549 is bullsh1t. Including this:


As for this:


I doubt it.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [440]

@Alien, keychains for you :D:

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History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


And I don't think it was even about "joining" NATO. I think it was about not putting American or NATO bases/soldiers/installations in East Germany for some period of time after the unification with West Germany or something like that. I think that's what this "not one inch eastward" statement was all about, as far as I remember.

And they kept that assurance - look at where US bases are located in Germany:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_installations_in_Germany

(hint - there are no American bases on the territory of the former East Germany)

History / What should Russia and Poland do to become if not friends, then at least not enemies? [945]


That assurance pertained to East Germany ONLY. Even Gorbachev admitted that - I've already given you a link to an article in another thread some time ago explaining this issue which was also quoting Gorbachev on this matter. So, Putin's claim that NATO broke some kind of promise given to Gorbachev is a LIE. Putin is a LIAR.


Bullsh1t. It's you who's losing very often. You just keep "forgetting" about it :)

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

I decided to post an answer to Novichok's comment here in order not to take another thread off topic:


The thing is that even the ethnic Belarusians don't agree on these basic things.
This is a Belarusian flag according to Lukashenko's regime (it is a modification of the 1951 flag used while the country was a republic of the Soviet Union):



And this is a historic Belarusian flag used by Belarusian protestors who are against Lukashenko:





People with Polish roots tend to support the protests against the regime and that's why Lukashenko is persecuting them. It has nothing to do with Poles not integrating enough or not being Belarusian patriots. Quite the opposite.

Also:


I don't understand your beef with Poles living in what is now Belarus, considering that you apparently support people in East of Ukraine staying "RuSSians". Poles in Belarus know and use the official language, while people in those RuSSian-speaking regions of Ukraine didn't even bother to learn Ukrainian.

Feedback / "Ignore" option for certain posters [69]

@pawian, thanks, it worked :)

Feedback / "Ignore" option for certain posters [69]


How do you put more than one poster on ignore? It works only when I type in one username. When I type in a second one they get separated by a dot and it doesn't work for both of them then... What am I doing wrong?

Off-Topic / So you guys think there are a lot of sociopaths in Poland? [68]

@johnny reb, I'd never behave in such a way towards you if you were in a similar situation as me now. You've just shown what kind of "Christian" you are.


Yes, they do.

Off-Topic / So you guys think there are a lot of sociopaths in Poland? [68]

@johnny reb, my grandma may die and all that comes to your mind right now is attacking and abusing me? What kind of monster are you? I have no interest in dealing with you anymore. Go f*ck yourself, psycho.

Off-Topic / So you guys think there are a lot of sociopaths in Poland? [68]


Yup, even without Harry's revelations that would be my guess.


I'm not a misandrist and my father never raised a hand on anyone in my family, my mother and me and my brother included lol He was a calm drunk, not a violent one.


So, how are your kids, johnny_reb? :) When was the last time you got to meet them? :))

Travel / Collection of dress codes in Poland - what to wear? [96]


I can imagine Cate Blanchett wearing something like this :)

Off-Topic / So you guys think there are a lot of sociopaths in Poland? [68]


She could, if she didn't run away from him (as far as possible, I imagine) lol
(Now I'm serving your own dish to you, johnny_reb :))


Yes, that's what I meant - Rudy was a fictional tank, not historical...

Off-Topic / So you guys think there are a lot of sociopaths in Poland? [68]


Yup lol


You're lying, as always - I didn't write anything about your family.


Neither are we blaming you, since you had no choice on that matter. We're only blaming you for your own behaviour :)