Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]

This is my sentiment:

youtu.be/UiSlCJdWuQo

"The did not need to die."

The Na'vi from "Avatar" resemble to some extent Native Americans, including their attitude to all living things and their hunting rituals. Both are/were far less arrogant towards nature than the Sky people/white people and they have/had more respect for it. They view/viewed themselves as part of nature and not someone who should lord over it.

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]

@mafketis, where did I write that I want to "dispose of it"? I have the same attitude towards hunting for "sport/fun" as pawian - better they kill animals to get that "thrill of a kill" than people (and I already wrote about it in this thread). It doesn't mean that I have to like it though and that I have to like people who view killing living beings as entertainment (and I explained it too in this thread already). It's similar with people working in a slaughterhouse - I wouldn't want to be around people who kill animals there for fun or they feel "elated" when they kill.


Times change, societies change, people change and I can defenitely exist without hunting for sport/fun nowadays.


One of parts, yes. Nature can do without humans though :)

History / Crazy 1990s in Poland - transition from communism to capitalism - stories [108]

@amiga500, yes, 116111.pl has been doing a great job for 14 years in this country and is very trustworthy and PiS government decided to not fund it anymore since 2022. Those government funds weren't big enough anyway.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the problems of psychology and psychiatry in Poland in general, and child psychology and psychiatry in particular, are concerned. There was a case some time ago when a 15-year-old girl was raped in a psychiatric hospital in Poland by an adult male patient - she was put there because there was not enough space in a psychiatric ward for kids. Earlier two 13-year-old girls were raped in the same hospital. Is this what a rich, developed, civilised country looks like, according to you?:

uwaga.tvn.pl/reportaze,2671,n/15-latka-zgwalcona-w-szpitalu-wczesniej-zostaly-tam-skrzywdzone-dwie-13-latki-oficjalna-strona-progr,295572.html

Maybe you should start watching TVN after all?

History / Crazy 1990s in Poland - transition from communism to capitalism - stories [108]


Woaaah, wait a minute, but where is that "good change" that was promised by PiS?? :D


It is a given in rich Western countries that can afford this.


So, the state has enough money for PiS to sponsor your family's overseas holiday or TVP or Rydzyk's business plans or expensive furniture for the ministries, even more expensive planes for the government and raises and bonuses for politicians or over 4 mln for Black Eyed Peas at the New Year's Eve concert, but it doesn't have enough money to help Polish kids who want to kill themselves? Could you explain this to me?

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]


I want there to be balance in nature. I didn't know that nature needs humans for that. Does it really?

Btw, foxes are lovely too. And cute and funny :) They're like a mix between a dog and a cat and give out the funniest noises when they are being petted :):

youtu.be/cFqLEwAvaHI

From the comments lol:

"foxes are cat software running on dog hardware with a dolphin soundboard."


Where did they advocate for a hunting ban? Pawian even wrote that he wouldn't support such a ban.


That's what I was talking about and that's what bothers me.

History / Crazy 1990s in Poland - transition from communism to capitalism - stories [108]

@amiga500, "the historical hallmark of PiS" is undermining democracy in Poland, internal Polish-Polish war, shameless nepotism and spending and giving away public money like no other party before.


I wouldn't mind that if that was all that was happening, but it wasn't. And they were giving away money not only to those "underprivileged and forgotten people", but to anyone with a kid. A lot of wasted money that could go, for example, to child and adolescent psychiatry in Poland, which is in tragic state. Do you know that PiS took away even the funding for suicide helplines for kids and teens now that the suicides among kids and teens increased on unprecedented scale? And at the same time they're spending a lot of money on TVP and Rydzyk. Doesn't that make you feel sick? And there's more of such crap, much more...

This is what PiS is like - buying votes in an easy way (by giving away public money), spending public money on their own party's interests and that of their allies, but not really solving Poland's problems.

Language / New Years wishes in Polish? [40]


So? :) Good grief, it's just three words... lol I realise that "Do siego roku" is easier for foreigners to pronounce, but the natives couldn't care less, I think...


There is - Boże Narodzenie:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C5%BCe_Narodzenie


Well, people usually just say and often write "Wesołych Świąt!", so... *shrugs*

Language / New Years wishes in Polish? [40]


I've never used it in my entire life and I'm not sure if I've ever heard it being used in real life... This word "siego" comes from Old Polish and noone uses it anymore.


To be honest, "Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku!" makes more sense, because "Do siego roku!" was originally a Christmas greeting and can be translated more or less as "Till next year!", so it doesn't make much sense for me to say it once the New Year arrived already:

gazetaolsztynska.pl/896073,Z-okazji-nowego-roku-zyczymy-sobie-do-siego-roku-Ale-co-to-znaczy.html

Happy New Year, btw. 🥳🥂

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]

@mafketis, I don't think it's the same. Majority of women get maternal instincts sooner or later, majority of them want to have kids. Majority of men sooner or later want to have kids too. However, I haven't noticed majority of people (including men) being into hunting. Many men like or love animals and don't want to hurt them, let alone kill them. My father can't even kill a carp for a Christmas Eve dinner and that's "just" a fish. There are many fishermen, btw, who catch fish and then they let them go back into the water.


Human societies somehow rather eagerly resigned from this primal instinct by turning to farming pretty early on.


That's because giving life is seen by humans as something positive and taking life as something neither good nor pleasant. It isn't seen as something negative if it's a necessity, but when someone is enjoying it then you wonder what is wrong with that person...

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]


How about those "uncomfortable facts" that I raised in my comment #67?:

https://polishforums.com/travel/poland-poles-like-hunt-hunting-50176/3/#msg1890209

Could you respond to it?


I don't advocate for it to be legislated out of existence for the reason that you mentioned - it's better that they kill animals "for fun", rather than people. It doesn't mean though that I have to like it and that I have to like people who are hunting for "fun" and feel "elated" or "self-cleansed" (gross!) while doing so.


You can do that by going to the shooting range, playing paintball or camping in the mountains if you want contact with nature. None of that involves killing.

Travel / Do Poles like to hunt? Hunting in Poland. [205]

@PolAmKrakow (and others), for me personally my problem with hunting is not the fact that an animal is getting killed, because that's normal in nature - predators kill their prey in order to have something to eat - in order to survive.

For the same reason I'm not judging people eating meat, because that's a bit like judging a tiger for eating his food, which would be silly.

People who hunt for food or forestmen who kill off sick animals or whatever don't bother me. It's people who hunt for "sport" or "fun" that bother me. People who don't have to, but CHOOSE to kill for fun. And don't tell me that it's not the killing that they enjoy - because killing the animal is the goal of hunting. And it's usually killing an animal that can only run away and that won't shoot back at you, which makes it just more disgusting and pathetic in a way...

I realise that there are people who were brought up like this, that their fathers taught them hunting since they were teens or kids even, probably mainly in the countryside in the US. They got used to it and they view it as normal, just the way my countryside grandma views beheading a rooster as a normal way of getting food.

I never asked how she felt about killing animals she had since they were little. I'm guessing that she simply got used to that, just like majority of farmers, I guess. I do think that it decreases the level of empathy of people living in the countryside that they have for both wild and farm animals (that's what I've observed, at least), but that's a subject for another discussion.

However, I've never noticed my grandma being "elated" about killing her farm animals. The only thing she was "elated" about was the fact that we're going to have a good chicken soup lol

But notice that in our discussion in Random PrzelotnyPtak didn't write that he's hunting for food or to control the deer population - that it simply has to be done. He wrote that he feels "elated" about it and was writing some bullsh1t about feeling close to nature and God.

And as far I remember you wrote about killing an animal being "self-cleansing"?? WTF???

So, my problem is with people who want and choose to kill animals PERSONALLY, who want to take life with their own hands, even though they don't have to and they ENJOY it. And they must ENJOY it, because they wouldn't be doing it, if they didn't enjoy it. It's not like anyone is forcing them to put a bullet or an arrow into an animal.


So what "meaning" are you giving to killing a bear? You can eat deer, rabbit, pheasant, etc., but what's the point of killing a bear nowadays?


Exactly...

Life / Which animals are native to Poland? [103]

@pawian, that's a nice blue colour :)


We found it once in a river near my grandma's village when I was a kid or a teen. We simply called it "małż". Btw, some women call their husbands in such a humorous way, because in Polish one of the words for a husband is "małżonek" :)


lol

History / Recommended Poland's history books [257]


Yes, but his view is that of an outsider since he grew up in the UK. I didn't read his books, so that's all I can say, I'm afraid...

Here's a positive Polish review of one of his books though:

histmag.org/adam-zamoyski-polska-opowiesc-o-dziejach-niezwyklego-narodu-966-2008-recenzja-12594


I guess it depends on the context. What kind of passion did he mean? In romantic relationships? Being passionate about some cause? As a general personality trait?

The same with "romantic" - does Atch mean that Poles aren't romantic in relationships or from a historical point of view?

Life / Stubborn Polaks, anyone knows? [77]


It must have been passed on you too then, considering you claim you have Polish roots lol 🤦

History / Not proud of my Polish heritage [110]


I'm glad that I made you laugh :))


This won't be the last time you did that on this forum ;D

Genealogy / What does my Polish name mean? [402]

@pspana, I don't know about "szpejna", I only know that there's a slang word "szpej" which means "equipment, gear, tools" - stuff like this:

pl.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/szpej

I have no idea where this word comes from and how old it is though.


There's a Polish surname "Szpejna", so not necessarily.

There are also other Polish surnames beginning with "szpej", btw:

szpejankowski.eu/index.php/pisownia-nazwiska.html

Po polsku / Karma zawsze (zwykle?) wraca - przykłady z życia [62]


To nie tylko problem służb, ale też polityków i urzędników, którzy się tych służb nie słuchają:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/prezydent-duda-znow-dal-sie-nabrac-pranksterom-byly-oficer-agencji-wywiadu-to-kuriozum-6836697841584800a

"Druga sprawa - jak wskazuje ppłk Faliński - to świadomość wspomnianych osób, ale i urzędników niższego szczebla. - Brak świadomości zagrożenia, że takie sytuacje mogą się zdarzyć, to problem nie tylko tej ekipy czy poprzedniej, ale mam wrażenie, że to problem polskiej klasy politycznej i polskich urzędników. Bardzo trudno się z nimi o tym rozmawia. Są oporni, nie potrafią zrozumieć zagrożeń podczas szkoleń, które służby specjalne organizują w naszym kraju - mówi. I dodaje: - Podczas mojej wieloletniej kariery wielokrotnie się z tym spotykałem."


"Debil"?

History / Not proud of my Polish heritage [110]

@marion kanawha, welcome! :)


This forum is not like other forums... It's "special" (meaning - not normal lol) with "special" rules which sometimes are applied and sometimes they aren't based on... often noone knows what exactly... lol


If you stick around more will shock you, I promise lol

I'm afraid PF is all about the survival of the rudest or the most thick-skinned. It's "Lord of the Flies" in the form of an internet forum.

I thought you should be warned :)

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]


Be careful what you wish for - this dish can be addictive :D ;D

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]


You'll probably have to visit some Poles at their home then :P ;) Or go to bar mleczny in Poland - it's like a diner with very cheap, everyday homemade-like Polish food.


I'm not sure, I don't remember... 🤔 To be honest, due to COVID-19 I still try to avoid crowded places and when I'm at a shopping mall I jump in, buy what I need and jump out, so I'm not looking around much...

These days you can buy some ready-made Polish food at supermarkets, but it's usually never as good as the homemade stuff (or often nowhere near as good, really). At least that's my experience.

Btw, as for sausages there's a traditional Polish dish that I think everyone in my family likes - biała kiełbasa z cebulą - white sausage with onion (biała kiełbasa is similar to German Weisswurst). It's fried-stewed with onion which creates a kind of onion sauce and it makes the sausage soft, juicy, aromatic and tasty. In a more traditional recipe you add beer to that sauce :):



Simple and yummy :)

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]

@Bratwurst Boy, yes, exactly, but schabowy, bigos or barszcz z uszkami isn't anything exotic for Poles :)


For Poles Polish home cooked food usually means - the best :))

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]

@Bratwurst Boy, I may be generalising - my family and friends don't order Polish food to home, because we can make it at home ourselves (so I don't see it as "sad" ;)). Of course in Poland you can also order Polish food take-aways, but I'm guessing it's usually done by people who don't have the time to cook their own meals at home.

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]

@Bratwurst Boy, I don't know about Germany, but in Poland Poles usually cook their dishes at home. When they order something to eat at home, it's usually pizza or sth exotic.

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]


Then you should like bigos, I guess... There's both sauerkraut and sausage in it ;D

Polonia / Tak Tak - Polish Deli (in Berlin) [34]


I thought that Germans like sauerkraut :P

Law / Bus ticket fine in Poland (Warsaw) - what if I don't pay the fine? [36]

@jon357, I disagree, my mother once wrote an explanation and she didn't have to pay the fine.

Life / Polish film and serial riddles [137]


"Chasing Adam"?

Life / Polish film and serial riddles [137]

"A Short Film About Killing" by Kieślowski?

Polonia / Polish bus crash in Croatia. Is there a fate? [227]

@Alien, how so? What does it have to do with fate? There's a war over our border...

Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]

I haven't watched it either, but based on his looks the first thing that came to my mind was also:


🙂