News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]

Here you are, Mr Liar:


Read the article which clearly shows it wasn`t only one troll but a whole network of them.

newsweek.pl/polska/polityka/nie-tylko-emilia-wokol-ministerstwa-sprawiedliwosci-istniala-trollerska-siatka/bklvczp

Stop twisting things, it is obvious it couldn`t be just one person.

News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]

Oh, I see. I thought you forgot a human language out of sheer desperation after being cornered.


No, I will show you and others that PiS is a political mafia in fact. Octopus that destroys Poland.

News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]


And I wonder what he is going to say when more facts surface, not only about troll farm but other criminal acts as well. This latest scandal seems to be the top of the iceberg. PiS guys have been involved in various dirty deeds since the very beginning of their political life - Telegraf fraud in 1990s.


It might be his historical ignorance, too. When I suggested depisification of Poland in the style of past denazification in defeated Germany, he didn`t know what it was and imagined sth like Holocaust.

No, gumi, I only meant distinguishing those truly complicit in or responsible for all PiS wrong activities, whether it is the economic failure of state studs under PiS control or flights home by top politicians with their familes or the recent scandal. I am a realist and don`t hope for declaring whole PiS a criminal organisation, that would be too beautiful. :):)


Mr Liar, speak English in an English thread and forum. :):)

News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]


Gumi is a Smooth Criminal in this thread. :):) He loves this role. :):)

E.g,


Why are you suggesting expelling?


Why are you suggesting final solution?

Are you sick today or sowing ferment as usual?

News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]


But they do. What else can they do?


Yes, possible.

The funniest thing about PiS is that those criminals really believe they can act like Putin does in Russia. They forget that Poland isn`t Russia, and you won`t hush uncomfortable irritating people with poison. Polish mess causes that sooner or later the facts will surface and dirty deeds will be revealed - don`t they realise that? Even if it is going to take another PiS term, they will be taken to court one day and then Poland will witness full denazificat.... sorry, depisification. If once Poles made a mistake with too lenient treatment of Soviet puppets/stooges after the system collapsed, we can`t afford doing it again. Poland must be cleaned off PiS neobolshevik trash to the core.

Work / Medical tests before working in Poland [23]

It depends. There are some jobs or work branches which require full spatial sight so if you have lazy eye, you will need glasses if they resolve the problem.

See them here
szkla.com/poradnik_kondycja-oczu-a-praca-w-zawodzie.html

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


The core is about 25-30%. These are the least educated people who crave for benefits coz they have no other choice. But 30% is nothing in comparison to when the remaining 70% goes voting and do it against PiS.

Latest upadate.

1 Folk Party PSL made an alliance with Kukiz which is a bit funny coz the guy, former rockman, has always played a role of an antisystem politician while PSL is a full system party which took part in almost each government after 1989. But they both didn`t have a choice as their chances were estimated under the threshold when seperate.

2. The whole opposition managed to create a united list of candidates to Senate which means zero competition between them. Wow. The chances to win the Senate are much bigger now. If the Upper Chamber belongs to the opposition, they might try to prevent or at least obstruct PiS deforms in the future.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Poland

The Senate is allowed 30 days to examine any piece of draft legislation passed by the Sejm, 14 days if a bill is considered to be urgent. Any bill submitted by the Sejm to the Senate may be adopted by the latter without any amendments or amended or rejected. Any resolution of the Senate, as a result of which a bill is repealed or amended, is considered to be passed provided it has not been rejected by the Sejm.

News / Scandals, conflicts, tensions, arguments - real life examples from Poland [492]

Did you hear about the latest PiS scandal? Investigation journalists found out that deputy justice minister organised a hate campaign against independent judges. He resigned but it is obvious he wasn`t doing it without the green light from his boss.

tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english,157,m/polish-deputy-minister-orchestrated-trolling-against-judges-onet-pl,962578.html

According to Monday's publication by Onet.pl, the deputy minister of justice Łukasz Piebiak has "arranged and controlled a campaign" that was aimed to discredit judge Krystian Markiewicz, the head of the Polish Judges Association "Iustitia". The association has openly criticised changes made to the Polish justice system, implemented by the ruling Law and Justice party.

Will PiS ever answer for their criminal deeds?

Work / Medical tests before working in Poland [23]

Is it a statement or a question?

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [343]


Yes, that is why when Poland becomes a host country for more black guys, they will behave decently, knowing that Poles never participated in the slave trade and greatest Polish heroes even freed their slaves - Kosciuszko. Our Polish blacks will be the best immigrants ever. Just like those few who have already come and feel like Poles.

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [343]

Come on. Even trigger happy Am police officers shout: Drop it before they shoot.

USA, Canada / Poles Living in the Chicago Area [343]


No, it was a smartphone. Joker or his passenger took a photo from the car and the black guy didn`t like it . Risky business. :):)

Life / Owning a house in true countryside of Poland - stories [692]

Today I am picking raspberries. Two kinds of busy races are going on around the bushes:
I am racing to pick as many as possible before the scorching sun kills me
Bees and bumblebees are racing to collect their sweet stuff from as many flowers as possible too.
We are not disturbing each other.

Did you know that when you close a bumblee bee in your both hands it won`t sting you as long as you don`t squeeze it? I read about this trick in a book decades ago and learnt how to do it. When my school mates saw it, they thought I was a real tough guy. :):) I show it to my kids and they also think daddy is a badass. Especially that I also catch big spiders to show them.

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Yes, but they considered themselves an elite in the forces nevertheless. E..g, they despised ordinary militiamen for their alleged stupidity. And militia/police hated SB, too.

History / Why Poles love Russia [105]

Genetic similarities were discussed here a few times.

E.G, https://polishforums.com/genealogy/russian-dna-37610/

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Isn`t it funny how you continue lying and manipulating? :):) But it is typical of you - when you see you have lost a debate, you resort to lies. Apart from being a Kremlin troll, you are a mental and moral loser, told you many times. You can`t lose with dignity. So get lost, repulsive expat. :):)

Ha!

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Exactly. Most of us are 25-36. Maximum 37, no more.

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]


One more explanation - which directly announces another myth .

It seems nobody pays attention to the fact that Poland was the first communist country in which communists decided to talk with the opposition. The Round Table debates lasted from February to April 1989. The preparations had started in autumn 1988.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement

At that time East German authorities were still shooting at all who tried to escape to the West through the border.

The last person to be shot and killed while trying to cross the border was Chris Gueffroy on 6 February 1989, while the final person to die in an escape attempt was Winfried Freudenberg who was killed when his homemade natural gas-filled balloon crashed on 8 March 1989. The fall of the communist government in neighboring Poland's 1989 Polish legislative election in June played a role in the fall of the Berlin Wall.

That is why German communists like Krenz were sentenced for Berlin Wall deaths because they had the intention to contribute to them till the very end of communism. .

With Polish communists it was different. It is easy to guess why Polish communists were treated leniently later on - they were the first to deliberately share power with the opposition, while in other countries the regimes had to be abolished by revolts of angry mobs.

Where is the myth in it? Rightist media and ideologists, also PiS` ones, suggest the Round Table talks were in fact the collusion of the mild opposition and communists who agreed to dismantle the system in a peaceful way and then share the profits from acquiring state enterprises.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement#Criticism

According to Gwiazda, who himself did not take part in the negotiations, the Soviets "carefully selected a group of opposition activists, who passed on as representatives of the whole [Polish] society, and made a deal with them".

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]


Not really dangerous, but stupid and thus funny cause they are trying to do such things in the era of the Internet. Besides, if Soviets failed with their lies despite their giant propaganda machine, why should PiS be successful? It is impossible, of course.


You are mistaken. Leading guys, Jaruzelski and Kiszczak, WERE prosecuted for martial law and resulting deaths. That they were treated leniently by the courts is another matter.


Yes, justice like you advised initially: shoot/hang/execute. Those are Soviet methods of dealing with their political opponents. Many times was it said about you: you can take Ironside from PRL, but you can`t take PRL out of Ironside. You are imbibed with Sovietism.

And because you are twisting things now, I must call you a liar and manipulator, too, just like gumishu before.


You mention anti PiS media. OK. Shall I enumerate your pro PiS lying rightist media which are repulsive to me?

HA!

History / Why Poles love Russia [105]


But the mummy wonderfully corroborates that nice slogan: Lenin eternally alive. :):) It has already found its place in the world`s culture, that is why they don`t want to bury it.


After Crimea and Donbas, even if a Ukrainian speaks Russian, it doesn`t mean they feel like ones.

With Belarussians it is different though. Their ties with Russia are very close. Many of them would have nothing against being annexed by their bigger neighbour.

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Law / CAN SOME ONE GIVE ME FREE POLISH LEGAL ADVICE ON BANKRUPTCY? [22]


Consumer bankruptcy has been possible since 2016. I don`t know the details cause never needed one, but I am sure you will find plenty of articles on it.

filipiakbabicz.com/restrukturyzacja/en/2019/07/26/changes-in-consumer-bankruptcy/

Food / Recipe for Polish Zapiekanka [25]


Guys, be careful with the double meaning of Zapiekanka in Polish.

Traditionally, it is a casserole dish which has many varieties. E..g, with potatoes, champignions and sausage. My wife makes it for our kids. See below.

Another zapiekanka is the cheese toast with champignions in it.

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History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Never mind Cenckiewicz. For a while I thought we are talking off topic, yet now I see the opportunity to turn our dispute back onto the right track.


Yes, such steps have already been taken. Jarosław Kaczyński hates Wałęsa so much that he is ready to have his accolites spread lies about Wałęsa in order to promote Lech Kaczyński as a "true" leader of Solidarity in 1980s. It seems PiS are trying to abolish one legend and create a new one.

E..g, in 2016, J Kaczyński said openly and later wrote it in a book that it was his brother who actually led Solidarity.
fakt.pl/wydarzenia/polityka/jaroslaw-kaczynski-szokuje-moj-brat-kierowal-solidarnoscia/k8slzdc

In 2018, students in certain regions could participate in a school competition about the history of Solidarity organised by PiS politicians. The competion concerned only Lech Kaczyński and JPII. .

newsweek.pl/polska/spoleczenstwo/solidarnosc-bez-walesy-kaczynski-budowniczym-niepodleglosci-absurdalny-konkurs-dla/9mqk5h9

Of course, it is all nonsense. Lech Kaczyński was just a minor activist, one of many, there were hundreds like him. Making him a heroic leader is as stupid as Soviet propaganda in the past. And equally fruitless. Jarosław has probably realised it cause attempts of falsifying history have subsided.

News / PiS and Russian political/economic interests [70]


hahaha Yes, I can see how you are discussing things as a grown up.. Tacitus is smashing all your arguments into pieces one by one. The most surprising thing is you take an argumentative licking every week from me or sb else, yet you always come back for more. Are you addicted to the PF or your trolling contract with the Kremlin is valid till 2022 ? :):)

@Tacitus
Tacitus, well done, you saved me time with your explanations.

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]


And communists happily allowed him to dismantle the system, especially in 1988 and 89.


What should Wałęsa have done if they didn`t have such hooks on him? What do you think?


I don`t admire Wałęsa or follow him. What I know though is that PiS, especially Kaczyński, hate Wałęsa for various things from the past, e..g, when he kicked Kaczyński twins out cause they started to play their own games behind his back. Today Jarosław Kaczynski wants to diminish Wałęsa and elevate his deceased brother as a leader of Solidarity in 1980s, which is pure nonsense.

Therefore I am not going to read any PiS` propaganda, cause you can`t deny that Cenckiewicz is one of major PiS propagandists. Please, don`t offer us any more from him cause it will be a wasted effort of yours. We have more interesting things to do than read bs from PiS.

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]


hahaha you are really incorrigible. In another thread I had to call you a liar and manipulator because of your sly method of running the debate.

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-scandals-conflicts-tensions-arguments-84933/2/#msg1701391

I see you are repeating the same tactics here. Do you really want me to call you a liar again? Are you a masochist? :):)

I didn`t ask you for sources, I asked you a simple question:


Can you in two sentences maximum give a simple answer to these two easy questions? Your own answer, without quoting anybody. I want to know what you really know and think.

PS. And don`t brush your lying face with Cenckiewicz. Be yourself or admit openly you are Cenckiewicz yourself, cause it seems he is your fav source, you have been mentioning him since 2011.

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Can I try? :):)

You said:


Unfortunately, there were reforms but absolutely NOT for the better. Glasnost and perestroika reforms by Gorbachev led to the general collapse of the system in the Eastern block and eventually dismantling of the USSR. It can hardly be called for the better, unless you mean nations which had been subdued by communists and suddenly got a chance to regain/gain independence.

Food / British food products in Poland? [334]

I suspected it was junk food. Especially those sausages. Yuk.

Life / Owning a house in true countryside of Poland - stories [692]


I had no idea,. How? Those manuals on rabbit care read nothing about it.


I sometimes feel like it but don`t forget What immortal hand or eye / Could frame thy fearful symmetry?)


Yes, I will do a good job and lose a lot of weight, carrying a ton or two of soil onto it. ):)

I mentioned weeding. I care for the first 30 metres of the orchard/veg part. Beyond it, it becomes terra obscura.

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Life / Satirical cartoons about Poland and Poles [17]

This could be true a few years ago, today no more.

Polish politics: right, centre, left.

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