Real Estate / Renting in Poland - tenants' rights? [51]


It's often better to keep it all informal.

History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]

Looks like that - and of course provides a very limited safety net, plus some healthcare.

Not expensive either.

History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]

In what way?

History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]


Agreed. Some party members did (and do) strongly believe they were making the world a better place.

History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]


That or a deep-seated superstition.

Food / Vodka left over in Poland - where to sell? [8]

Keep it for the next few Christmases.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

That's kind of you. And good that you acknowledge that Faith and 'facts' can often seem at variance, yet Faith always triumphs because it is a Belief.

;-)

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]


Beliefs, as discussed in other threads, cannot be questioned. It is a matter of Faith.


More likely called Herr Gatke.


I doubt that.


That seems unlikely


It only needs to be a small area for a usage to be revived or spread.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

Personally I believe there is a break in continuity - this is common linguistically.

BTW, the surname is not necessarily a Jewish one.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

That's all very interesting, however words work a little differently to that, and I believe strongly that the word in its present form was recycled from Yiddish. Regardless of how it got there, though the surname theory is compelling.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

Interesting, but it still doesn't explain how the term gadżki (and gacie and variants) came into common use. Not necessarily from old Slavonic to the modern day.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

I used the word 'ogacić' recently and was told it was archaic. A nice word though.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

You've certainly made some interesting points, however they don't quite ring true and seem like you're trying to prove a pint. One that isn't backed up by any evidence. There is however a traceable history of the word's use in Yiddish.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

As the link shows, it's origin is probably a surname. Passed from the Yiddish throughout the lands in which the products were sold. The old Slavonic word is most likely unrelated.

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

Read Howard Jacobson. Or if you haven't the time or energy (I find him a dreary writer) look here:
yiddishslangdictionary.com/word/480/gatkes

Language / Slang term for "pants" in Polish? Gacie. [32]

It's actually a Yiddish word that's come into Polish. My ex uses it. It isn't in general use (a friend reminds me of that every time I say it) however people in the east of the country sometimes say 'gadżki'. It is nowadays regional slang.

UK, Ireland / Five Polish Students Died along the Somerset Coast in 1994 - what happened? [14]

Nothing on the Internet that's easily findable. What's the name of the local newspaper round there?

Genealogy / Possibility and proof of being Tatar [15]


You aren't Tatar are you? You may well have some Tatar ancestors though. A very different thing.

Study / University degrees and schools in Poland. Not interested in the proof of my degree? [10]

And a lot about who you know.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


I'd rather trust that historian than 'kresy.pl'


Actually I didn't, but never mind.


Who said it did refer only to the military occupiers?


Try Professor Żak's excellent book on the topic. Amazon stock it.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Hysterical even.


What's wrong with being chained to a cooker all day then making yourself attractive for when hubby gets home from a day at work?

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Now, you're deliberately tring to confuse the two periods in which properties were taken by the Polish government. Would you like a reference for the figure of 17,000?


Again, you're trying to confuse - but not very well, since there are many sources for the happenings between 1921 and 1939.


Respectable - and far more authoritative than 'kresy.pl' who exist to present a point of view.


Precisely.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Most people would. They have a first class reputation for integrity and a much better reputation than the internet sites that you try to selectively quote.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


There isn't much doubt about it - and after all the two cultures are neighbours. Germany does however tend to be more pragnmatic about acknowledging the past I don't remember saying that though - are you sure it's a quote from me?


It always has been well researched.


The worst of it was later, after 1937 as you were told a few minutes ago.


Perhaps because they lived there?


Oh dear...

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Unfortunately your source is less reliable than The Economist article. One is putting a point of view, one is neutral.

And yes, it was 17,700 people moved there.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


What 'straw'? The facts have been presented to you. People's homes were stolen, and after 1937, their churches stolen, their language suppressed, and their protests met with gunfire.

A tragic history.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


No. from 1921 until 1939, with most of the terror after Pilsudski's death.


Indeed I understated the number. It was 17,700 not 17,000.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

How was the property stolen? The usual way - by moving someone out and moving someone else in. Are you trying to suggest that the 17,000 veterans who were promised land were handed the keys by the owners or that the congregations of the 300 churches handed them over with a hymn and a prayer?

No. I'm sure you're not suggesting that.


Indeed. A matter of public record - albeit one that doesn't suit everyone's point of view.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


The facts have been cited, the point has been proven. It does not flatter you to persist in such a way.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

Don't have time, or don't have the facts on your side.

It has been proven that the Second Republic moved people into stolen property. It's also true that churches were seized, the Polish language was imposed on people and strikes were brutally crushed. Perhaps it fits your point of view to demonise one side, however you do not do yourself any service by trying to pretend that the other side did nothing to enrage and terrorise the other.