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Goodbye Rzeczpospolita, Goodbye Uwazam Rze! Killed by Tusk.


Varsovian 92 | 634
3 Dec 2012  #1
Two of the biggest press successes are disappearing because Tusk is starting to act like Putin.

We have a free market democracy. People can come along and buy the State's share in Rz. at an undervalue and move to close the whole operation down by sacking all recognised journalists and ensuring that losses are made hand over fist.

Hajdarowicz, the owner and political supporter of Tusk, can do whatever he likes with his own property, can't he?

Still, even a prize poltroon wouldn't lose 25% of his readership in a year ... unless that was the plan all along.

If this were Hungary, there would be shrill screams of "Fascism!" from all the usual quarters. As it is, we have an eery silence.

So, here goes: This is an all-out authoritarian attack on freedom of speech.

What a country Poland is, where the only non-propaganda newspapers have naked women in them!
Ziemowit 12 | 3,486
3 Dec 2012  #2
What a country Poland is, where the only non-propaganda newspapers have naked women in them!

First of all, your propaganda tube is not very exact, as usual. The story is totally different in either of those press titles, so it would be better if you constrict yourself to the comntinued reading of "the only propaganda-newspapers" in Poland with the photos you mention plus the Daily E-Mail.
Harry
3 Dec 2012  #3
Is there any particular reason for the OP's rather impressive rant?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
3 Dec 2012  #4
This is an all-out authoritarian attack on freedom of speech.

on rather crappy journalism.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,486
3 Dec 2012  #5
Still, even a prize poltroon wouldn't lose 25% of his readership in a year ... unless that was the plan all along.

This is a good example of speaking through the propaganda tube. No exact dates, not even a press title which this statement refers to. Rzeczpospolita or Uwa┼╝am Rze? But what for? Conspiracy theories do not need that.

I told you! Both are killed by Tusk! And that is all there is to it! Who ever would want more?
smurf 39 | 1,982
3 Dec 2012  #6
Yea, these newspapers aren't failing because nobody's reading them and are getting their news on the internet for free. Yea, that's right, it's a total conspiracy.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,486
3 Dec 2012  #7
these newspapers aren't failing because nobody's reading them

By saying "these newspapers" you mean both? or one one of them? One of them lost part of their readership in paper, but the other did not. So, what are your facts as compared to "total conspiracy"? Be a specialist and tell us more. I've been reading them both in paper since long before Hajdarowicz became owner of the two and I follow closely what's going on with them now, so I hope to learn some new facts from you.
smurf 39 | 1,982
3 Dec 2012  #8
If a troll doesn't think he's trolling does that mean he's not trolling?

Print media is dying a slow, painful death, readerships are down everywhere that the Internet is available. If you want to invest in print media, check out a little place called Africa, still loads of money to be made in the game. Europe however, no, everybody is getting their news online.

Most newspapers will go to subscription digital services soon enough. Many jobs will be lost, because the same level of staff won't be needed to operate digital only content.

Rzecz won't disappear, I would only be afraid that it would become like the british daily times, and move away from it's traditional conservatism to being a neo-con rag. I've nothing against Rzecz, its articles are well written and it's good to read a few different papers with different viewpoints to get a total picture of the news, rather than just the opinions of one side.

But if I was you I'd get a nice shiny samsung tablet and enjoy reading them from there. Subscriptions will be cheaper too......although this being Poland I'm sure they'll all try to rip off the consumer as much as possible.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
3 Dec 2012  #9
Varsovian,how exactly is Tusk acting like Putin in this regard?
Ziemowit 12 | 3,486
3 Dec 2012  #10
If a troll doesn't think he's trolling does that mean he's not trolling?

I get your point now.

Print media is dying a slow, painful death, readerships are down everywhere that the Internet is available.

That's exactly what I had in mind. If Varsovian says that the paper loses 25% of readership because the present owner is a political supporter of Tusk, while the paper had started to lose readership because of the facts you pointed to long before Hajdarowicz became the owner, he is not a trustworthy person whom I thought he was. As a result, I've decided not to reply in threads opened by Varsovian, nor reply to his posts in other threads.
jon357 63 | 14,122
3 Dec 2012  #11
Nothing unusual. In the UK, the Daily Express and The Guardian are both running at a huge loss and likely to lose their print editions within the next year or so. Both formerly popular and so politically different that only a fool would suspect political interference.

In PL, nobody would bother interfering with Rz, whose readers are well able to make their own minds up, or Uwazam Rze which is one of many (too many) news magazines and has an expensive glossy format and tiny print sales.

There's no political interference and to suggest so is trivial and vexatious trolling.

Worth mentioning though that Nasz Dziennik doesn't make much on cover price or advertising revenue and Gazeta Polska only exists because it is bankrolled by very shady sources outside Poland.
smurf 39 | 1,982
3 Dec 2012  #12
As a result, I've decided not to reply in threads opened by Varsovian, nor reply to his posts in other threads.

Sometimes I think the best feature of this forum is the 'ignore' button ;)
Donald_Tusk - | 5
3 Dec 2012  #13
The Guardian are both running at a huge loss and likely to lose their print editions within the next year or so.

One wonders if The Guardian might not be bought in a similar manner to The Independent and be used as one's vehicle of protection.

One must remember that Gazeta Polska has very unclear ownership with links to a known Nazi sympathiser.
Harry
3 Dec 2012  #14
One must remember that Gazeta Polska has very unclear ownership with links to a known Nazi sympathiser.

Sympathiser? If you're talking about the same bloke who puts a stack of cash into Radio Maryja, the word you are looking for is collaborator.
Donald_Tusk - | 5
3 Dec 2012  #15
Ah yes. One is mistaken.

One wonders why the listeners/readers tolerate the financing of their media outlet by known Nazis.
Harry
3 Dec 2012  #16
One wonders why the listeners/readers tolerate the financing of their media outlet by known Nazis.

They share the same political views?
jon357 63 | 14,122
3 Dec 2012  #17
One wonders if The Guardian might not be bought in a similar manner to The Independent and be used as one's vehicle of protection.

As far as I know it can't be sold by the Scott Trust - all they could do is go web only.

One wonders why the listeners/readers tolerate the financing of their media outlet by known Nazis.

That's nationalism for you - they'll get into bed with anybody as long as it suits their purpose, like the SNP back in the Thirties.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
3 Dec 2012  #18
Donald Tusk,who are these "known" Nazis?
Harry
3 Dec 2012  #19
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kobyla%C5%84ski
jon357 63 | 14,122
3 Dec 2012  #21
The allegations in the Wikipedia article are barely the tip of the iceberg. There are good reasons he doesn't go anywhere that has an extradition treaty with the USA.
Ironside 48 | 9,721
3 Dec 2012  #22
Varsovian,how exactly is Tusk acting like Putin in this regard?

It is not about Tusk but about connections! Present owner is connect with the same circles which lead to Tusk. there is no financials reasons for ending publications of said newspapers!

There are good reasons he doesn't go anywhere that has an extradition treaty with the USA.

Like Poland?
jon357 63 | 14,122
4 Dec 2012  #23
Like Poland?

Ask Mr Polanski.
Ironside 48 | 9,721
4 Dec 2012  #24
Are you claiming that Poland and the USA do not have agreement regarding extradition.


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