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jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

if sea levels would be rising noticeably it will be easily observed on various pier

Do you realise how silly that sounds? Why not stand on the end of the pier in Sopot and stare at the tides? The rise in sea level has been observed and is not seriously doubted.

ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-es.html
books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782&page=245

secondly it wouldn't affect even the likes of Kiribati and Maledives

It not only would, but is.

Poland as a developed country has its role to play. Why not be at the forefront rather than lagging behind?

So. Do you deny the reality of man-made climate change?

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

I am not sure there has ever been any fresh ground water on Kiribati in living memory pal

That has nothing to do with it. And also untrue - Kiribati has groundwater. The sea levels are rising. This is a known fact. Unless you know something The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change doesnt ;-)

Are you denying the reality of man-made climate change and its threat to the ecosystem?

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

heh - you've seen it or just repeat whatever you hear on the TV? - for one thing Kiribati and Maledives experience the least of tides on the ocean so the rising ocean levels would be prette obvious there (unless the islands are sinking because of geological processes)

I don't have anything as trashy as a TV but I do keep up to date on current events. Here's one of thousands of reports on the effect man-made climate change is having on Kiribati. I'm not sure what you think tides have to do with it, but rising sea levels are all to visible there.

globalpost.com/dispatch/news/green/global-warming/120308/rising-sea-levels-forcing-entire-nation-kiribati-relocate

Man-made climate change and its dangers are an established fact. Poland needs to respond to that as much as any other developed nation.

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

where?

The population of Kiribati have to leave soon and the Maldives are threatened. Next could be lowland Bangladesh.

i don't claim Earth self-regulates perfectly - I say we don't know enough to be able to judge

Very good that you don't claim that, because you would be wrong. What has been established beyond reasonable doubt is that man-made climate change is a huge threat to life on our planet.

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

And GDP's are rising, production increasing, the worlld's population is increasing at a horrific rate and the Chinese are now making and producing cars. Sea levels are rising, species are becoming extinct, the world's climate is changing and we have a ticking time bomb.

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

Actually there wasn't. The notion that the earth orbits the sun was being talked about since the 3rd Century AD, if not earlier and was known to scientists.

Ya see the thing is man, that there is no climate change debate, you guys lost, it's over, now just do everyone a favour and separate your trash, burn less coal, walk to the shops instead of driving and help the earth out a bit, it all helps if everyone just does their bit and stops dragging their heels

Very true. The worst offender over the past 100 years has been ethyl lead used in cars and various industrial processes. That and the vastly expanding human population.

jon357

15 Mar 2012

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

I hardly think her politicians knocking the science of global warming is a plus for Poland.

It isn't

I'm not going to rehash the global warming debate, and neither should Poland. The established science makes anyone who does look archaic and contrary.

Exactly.

Shale gas

Environmentally dreadful.