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I don't reference the US and its First Amendment. You keep banging on about them :)


Neither can you. You can't call Poland and EU or Western countries "a cruel joke" and conveniently "forget" about your beloooved RuSSia and Putin, which is much worse in terms of freedom of speech, democracy, etc. :))) So, I'll keep reminding you about your beloooooved RuSSia and Putin :)))))

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@Novichok, what do they mean by "indecent"? How do you decide about it and how do you measure it? :D

theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/06/russian-parliament-outlaws-online-disrespect

"The law, which critics say is reminiscent of Soviet-era legislation used to target political dissidents, stipulates fines of up to 100,000 roubles (£1,155) for "indecent" online posts that demonstrate a "blatant disrespect for society, the country, Russia's official state symbols, the constitution, or the authorities"."

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@Novichok, you can also ask a RuSSian judge what is considered as insulting RuSSian government officials, including Putin, RuSSian state and RuSSian flag :))):

"Vladimir Putin signed a restrictive new law that makes it illegal to insult government officials - including him":

businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-law-illegal-insult-him-government-2019-3

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That includes RuSSia then, because how would you call the law about "discrediting" the RuSSian army and mercenaries fighting for RuSSia? Protecting army's and mercenaries' feelings :)))


There's a Christian cross hanging in the plenary chamber of the Polish Parliament. No menora there.


Ask a Polish judge :) You can also ask a RuSSian judge what "discredits" a RuSSian army and what doesn't while you're at it :)))

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@amiga500, would you be also so cool about it if a Muslim or a leftist MP vandalised a Christmas tree in the Polish Parliament? :)

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Including Christmas trees? :) You think that Christmas trees shouldn't be set up in the building of the Polish Parliament, for example? :)


Don't lie. I wrote that this is a "tradition", not "long tradition". And whether it can be considered long or not is subjective anyway.

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Actually, Braun could have been charged and his immunity revoked already earlier this year for vandalising a Christmas tree in a court in Kraków in January and threatening police officers, but it looks like PiS blocked it - PiS still had hopes at that time for a coalition with Konfederacja:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/braun-mogl-miec-uchylony-immunitet-juz-wczesniej-znamy-szczegoly-6973350520384160a

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Well, I answered it anyway.


Yes, the investigation only started and the prosecutor will decide what to charge him for. According to this Polish police officer there are a few possibilities:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0JSfbZqsvKwZzRLdAzFN7F9d1rTqTF4ejCjN87VqyQDjd7hLgn21ESsX729roVujpl&id=100064488380260

Article 119 kk. - § 1
Article 157
Article 195
Article 257

Braun as an MP still has an immunity though (and he was using this fact on numerous occasions, so there was not much "courage" involved).

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@Velund, this thread isn't about the RuSSian invasion of Ukraine.


There's no such law. That's not what jon357 wrote about, neither did you, so stop manipulating.


Tradition? :) (I mean the Presidents wishes and lightning candles for Hanukkah in the Parliament and stuff like that)


The tradition of lightning the candles for Hanukkah at the presidential palace was started by Aleksander Kwaśniewski and it was continued by all the later presidents. Kwaśniewski was also visiting Polish Tatars. Hanukkah candles have been also lit in the Polish Parliament for the last 17 years or so.


No, of course not. Why are you confusing two different issues? You asked why Hanukkah candles are being lit at the Polish Parliament. And you got your answer. In case of the law about offending religious feelings no religion gets a preferential treatment.

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@Crnogorac3, Braun's supporters are active on the internet, but they are in minority in Polish society :)


Another anti-Semitic, deranged psycho.


Hmm, RuSSians are genocidal monsters, so I guess we must act against them at all times, including crashing Orthodox religious holiday celebrations, according to your "logic".

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@Velund, or why is the Polish president and the first lady posting official wishes for Christian Orthodox and Greek Catholics living in Poland and not for Pastafarians or Voodoo practitioners?:

prezydent.pl/aktualnosci/wydarzenia/zyczenia-dla-wiernych-kosciola-prawoslawnego-kosciola-greckokatolickiego-i-innych-kosciolow-wschodnich-w-polsce-pluaby,62959



What do you think, Velund?

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And there are Christmas trees in the Parliament.


Yes, exactly.


Polish presidents aren't meeting with and visiting any Pastafarian or Voodoo communities in Poland. But they do meet with and visit Polish Tatars who are a Muslim community. Why do you think is that, Velund?:

prezydent.pl/kancelaria/archiwum/archiwum-bronislawa-komorowskiego/aktualnosci/wydarzenia/prezydent-spotkal-sie-z-polskimi-tatarami,14871

dzieje.pl/aktualnosci/prezydent-w-sokolce-te-czesc-kraju-mozna-uznac-za-wzorcowa

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No. We have such a law in Poland, in case you haven't noticed. And I prefer to live in Poland :)


And you don't. Is anyone forcing you to move to Poland? Does this particular law in Poland affect your life in the US? No? Then what's the problem? lol


No, he's been suspended. And it doesn't look like they're particularly in favour of throwing him out. Bosak said that they care only about the opinion of their voters:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/eksces-brauna-w-sejmie-bosak-zabiera-glos-6973654096431776a

That's a far-right party, so you can imagine what their voters must be like (and their views).

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I prefer to live in a country where offending religious feelings is penalised rather than in one where insulting "political feelings" is illegal :)


I'm not aware of him having any sane "cause". He claims that Judaism is "satanistic" lol He's not right in the head.


It takes being not right in the head to think that Judaism is a "satanist cult".


Sam się pierdolnij, debilu :)

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No, he did it, because he's an anti-Semite and a twat:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/prof-pankowski-niech-czyn-brauna-okryje-hanba-takze-tych-ktorzy-oddali-na-niego-glos-6973361264646848a

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You're a great example of that lol


And illegal, you idiot.


You guess wrong:

money.pl/archiwum/wiadomosci_agencyjne/pap/artykul/doda;prawomocnie;skazana;za;obraze;uczuc;religijnych,80,0,1107792.html

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1. In Poland you can only slaughter an animal outside of your farm or slaughterhouse if the animal got into an accident, got injured and it has to be killed off.

2. You can't have sex in public in Poland, no matter if you're heterosexual or gay.

3. Female genitalia mutilation and circumcision of boys isn't a public ceremony. Also, female genitalia mutilation is illegal in Poland.

Lightning candles in public isn't illegal in Poland.

So, your comparisons are absurd.

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We have laws in Poland that Braun broke. And the prosecutor started an investigation already. So, your feelings concerning this don't matter.


If he disagreed with something he could express his disagreement in a civilised manner. Especially considering that he's a politician and not some random dude. He didn't and it looks like he may finally pay for this.

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@Novichok, I didn't write anything about interrupting anything being "OK". I only wrote that noone in the right mind would slaughter an animal in the f*cking Parliament. Your comparisons are, as often, ridiculous and unrealistic.

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Polish history.


Noone would do that, because that would be gross. Lightning candles isn't gross.


...you f*ck off? :)

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On Poland as a whole? Sorry, but I disagree. Braun is a leader of a far-right party, which is part of a far-right coalition that got only 7.16% of votes in this year's elections to the Parliament. So, he doesn't represent a vast majority of the Polish people.

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I'm guessing it's because Poles have been neighbours with Germans and Czechs for centuries... At one point the French language was the lingua franca, so that's probably why this word comes from French in Russian. I don't see anything surprising here, tbh.


The same in Polish.


"Biustonosz" in Polish :)


It's "strzykawka" in Polish, but we also have a word "szpryca":

sjp.pwn.pl/slowniki/szpryca.html

...and "szprycować":

sjp.pwn.pl/sjp/szprycowac;2527101.html

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Yes, we were taught about various loanwords at school :) For example, Polish word '"rynek" comes from German (came to Poland through the Czech language probably) and apparently from Polish it spread to Eastern Slavic languages already during the Middle Ages:

nck.pl/projekty-kulturalne/projekty/ojczysty-dodaj-do-ulubionych/ciekawostki-jezykowe/RYNEK

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pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%82ownik_wyraz%C3%B3w_obcych_i_zwrot%C3%B3w_obcoj%C4%99zycznych

Władysław Kopaliński was a Polish Jew, btw.

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According to an old dictionary that I have ("Słownik wyrazów obcych i zwrotów obcojęzycznych" by Władysław Kopaliński) it seems to come directly from Latin. In Wikipedia it says that in the Polish language it came from German:

pl.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/debil

"etymologia:
(1.1) niem. debiler Mensch < łac. debilis = 'ułomny, słaby'"

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It looks like amiga500 does:

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As I wrote - you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Hołownia isn't talking about "kicking out Konfederacja from the Parliament". He simply has no right to do that. He's talking about kicking out Konfederacja's Krzysztof Bosak from Prezydium Sejmu:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezydium_Sejmu

That would mean that Bosak wouldn't be the vice-marshal of the Sejm (the Parliament) anymore, that's all, and not that he would be kicked out from the Parliament lol:

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/sasin-mowi-czy-pis-poprze-wykluczenie-bosaka-z-prezydium-sejmu/205x48v

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No, he didn't. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.


You don't even know what this word means, do you... *sigh*

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No, I shouldn't, because we're discussing Poland and Polish politics here.


No, it isn't.




:)

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No, I doubt that it had anything to do with him being suddenly "certain", but everything to do with all eyes being on Poland now and on the Polish Parliament.


What on Earth are you talking about?


I see you're pretty detached from reality... o_O Also, what do you mean about Hołownia "kicking out Konfederacja"? He can't kick out a whole party from the Parliament lol