No problem admin, so again what's the origin of Kaizerki? I really wonder it's sooo good. Impossible to be crappy! And if you want them to last longer you should freeze them geez...
Well I guess Sasha went through those same books but I don't call him "Ruski" or "Kacap" I can't recall doing so atleast. While I wouldn't been shocked if I did so with ConstantineK. I generally don't like Prussian lovers and Russian imperialists (BB is an exception)
I guess 80% of poles have a breadmaker at home, because when its another public holiday
You know that real quality food lasts very short, and crap food lasts very long because they put chemicals in it so it lasts longer... So if you buy crap food=lasts longer
If you buy quality food = lasts shorter
Same goes with milk, Polish milk is sooo good :D Quite often I eat everything I buy before the end has gone in Poland so I never have problems with it when im there for vacations :D
I love Kaizerki <3 (They have Austrian/German past right?)
Somebody asked why Poles get so "attacking" here, I answered because it was created&continued by an RUssian Imperialist what ever his (yours) motives are they would look at it as "Russian propaganda trying to put down Poland"
So if it was an stupid-non knowing Westerner (probably an American , talking out of experience not stereotype) most wouldn't been that attacking, but more explaining on why it is happening and etc.
It's like when a cat steals a dog's fish (he can rightly do so right? Because fish is typical cat's food right? but the fish is still the dog's)
So when after the 1000 time the cat tried to steal the dog's fish and asks how is the fish tasting out of pure curiosity you shouldn't be so surprised that the dog thinks "Oh he tries to steal my fish again"
Still a Cat can be a Cat and a Dog can be a Dog and the Cat has all the right to get himself some food it's just about "how" he/she does it :)
Yet we have nearly as much ppl in Yad Vashem as PL has.
My question earlier was about how many Poles do you think there are that weren't written down cause of time of war. Not everyone had a little piece of paper with him that was written "executed because he/she tried to save a Jew"
My point is, yes there were many Dutch people trying to save Jews, but those who re regarded as saviors of Jews in Poland aren't that much in Yad Vashem because there were fronts going through that place 3 times and not everybody had a piece of paper that said they helped a Jew, and everybody knows that dead can't speak among the livings.
Its like with medals for soldiers, not everyone who did something "heroic" got a medal.
that was my point thank you
what you are about? Who deny bad sides? well, maybe same are not aware about Polish bad sides during the WWII but only because there were minor in no way comparable to really heroic deeds. I mean Poles didn't have SS-division or government collaborating with Germans, action of individuals it minor and unimportant detail and you trying to make it big, I suppose for philosophical reason.
That is actually a good point
So what was the task of the Blue Police? Are you absolutely sure that PL-people at that time didn't rat on their Jewish neighbours, maybe because they were scared to death that the Nazis would kill THEIR family?
Also some wouldn't have the courage of walking outside among Poles after reporting Jews to the Nazis? You know the Polish underground wasn't "inactive"
were originally based on the Italian/Spanish/Portugese model.
Which used Hungary? (just curious)
There you go, this is plain out bragging. And the line "resisted them somewhat" fits in that bragging perfectly.
I would say adding a perfect statement about the topic?
Remember M-G that there are many unknown heroes from Poland ww2, many lie dead under that times Warsaw ruins. Those who tried to help Jews and got killed themselves with the Jews they were saving aren't numbered up right? How many dead Poles was there that tried to help Jews but failed and died by doing it? While nobody had any record of it and family members maybe thought he/she died because of underground movement fights (during Warsaw uprising)
You gotta admit that in reality I think it is a lot more Poles who helped Jews then somebody knows, just that nobody saw them or heard them? I guess there were some in Netherlands too but, not at the same scale?
Out of pure logic the Nazi German must have captured a lot of "savers" since they changed their directives when it came to punishment of those who helped Jews right?
(anyhow how many Jews Dutch ppl saved, it won't change the immage I have of the Dutch I mean come on allow drugs? what have they been smoking? :))
It is a weapon which would come in handy in war, any war. It's just that Russia doesn't like the idea of arming up and starting the race again (mostly because THEY KNOW they will lose)
Russki's see it as danger to their protection while Poles thinks of it as a bonus to their protection
Culturally = Western (when we think of the times when art and everything was coming from Italy and France? Also today fashion and food types don't come in a main stream from Russia...)
militarily = Western with eastern past
geographically = Central/Eastern (just a slightly bit of east when you consider Poland's historical borders)
wrong, peak of polish anti semitism was between 2 world wars
Nope, the peak was after ww2
Before the war it was only some line on how many Jews could get to study since the percentage was higher then the Polish population. Also later on, can't remember if it was 1938 or 1939 that at Universities there were Jewish section and non-Jewish section or something.
Later on, the Germans would become being portrayed also as the villains. Just try and count those post-war movies that contain some crazed up super evil professor who talks with a heavy German accent that he wants to rule the world. :)
... I thought he was French with a non-French accent ;)?
I'm sorry. I made a mistake here. In Sophie's Choice(Oscar winner), Sophie visits the ghetto in 1938?!
Ohh, fuew
and her Jew hating father hints the Poles had plans to exterminate the Jews before Hitler, some secret document existing to prove this extreme lie. Definitely Oscar material.
wtf?!
Only the other countries don't whine as much about it as the Poles do.
Because Poland WANTS or thinks of herself as the eternal ally of the west, but that is changing dear friend! ;)
We would be satisfied if they only wouldn't put Polish flags waving in a concentration camp. I think that was is Sophie's Choice.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?
Would joining them not be the same as high treason against your country?
That's why many Poles don't look at commie-Poles as Poles but more of as poles :) (or just komuch they are their own "nationality")
You surely mean they purged themselves...
You are all crazy you know that?
For the last time... THE WERE SOVIETS!!! They had Jewish roots but they were SOVIETS!!! Or some even Stalinists which is worse
But given the responses here one can conclude that it must be all the Jews' own fault what happened to them, at least according to the Polish participants.
I think it was the Dutch, their behind everything! I must have read somewhere that Hitler had an Dutch assistant. It's the Dutch fault!!!! (sarcasm off)
Huge impact of "Jewish" commies were transferred to Poland right after ww2 because 1. They wanted to get rid of them (theory not fact) 2. There were not many Polish commies left to give them the control because of the purges (even at that they were most unreliable if they didn't go through the Moscow "training") (Fact)
3. The communists in prewar Poland weren't even noticed so to speak, 1 of the reasons why "Nazi's" didn't occur in Poland or hard hated commies weren't that catching was because communists were in a tiny tiny tiny tiny little fraction
"Yet the party only managed to win 130,000 votes and two seats in the November 1922 elections."
"Despite that the KPP was now to be swept into the maelstrom of paranoia and suspicion that culminated in the Moscow trials and purges. First a number of its members were accused of being agents of the Polish regime, now led by The Colonels since Pilsudski's death in 1935, and liquidated as a result. Next almost the entire leading cadre of the party were enveloped by the Purges and murdered. Among those killed were: Albert Bronkowski, Krajewski, Józef Unszlicht, Adolf Warski, Maria Koszutska, Henryk Walecki, Lenski, Stanisław Bobiński, Ryng, Józef Feliks Ciszewski, Henrykowski, Sztande, Bruno Jasieński and Witold Wandurski. And still Stalin could not trust the Polish Communists and so finally the leaderless party was declared dissolved as a hotbed of Trotskyite agents. Most of the activists perished in the Great Purge, but some - particularly lower level - remained. During Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 they were instrumental in organizing local population in Kresy to welcome the "liberators" of the Red Army.[2]"
/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Poland
Even the workers weren't that into this party because they opposed the new Polish state and was pro-Soviet Union during the Polish-Soviet war
This party had very little influence what so ever, later on "it" suddenly had great power after the war and many of the top leaders in the party had Jewish clinging names or looked Jewish or spoke kinda like Jews would speak when they tried to speak Polish. They were noticed, it still doesn't mean that the majority of Jews were commies in Poland (thank god ^^)
There were some Jewish parties during interwar Poland Many of the Jews voted on Bund so I've heard from an former Isreali ambassador
I can remember my mom telling my about his glass or something and that's what she likes about Poland for instance, having a lot of his glass. No idea if he has any Polish ancestry or not but. His glass is here no? :)
Everywhere there were groups in the population that welcomed the German troops as they marched in.
I wonder if there were any Jews in Poland giving flowers to the Wehrmacht hoping for a better future like the times of when Prussia was ruling, right BB? ;p
I think the [quote=MareGaea]hose are the ones you've seen.
Let's hope so :)
Were you there?
Nope, neither was any of my grandparents but they were in Warsaw and I can't remember them telling me they were killing Jews and that they were doing it with a smile or anything really
Nazism only has a chance when things go bad economically.
Extremists in general I would say. People get desperate (my teacher from history and philosophy said that after a time they would seek a strong man like Napoleon, Hitler etc)
now, be a good boy and get me some nice red wine, grin
Ive got some in the cellar but I am not allowed to touch them sorry (I also hate wine so now you know)
after the war these ppl were duly punished, some by death, others by imprisonment.
Yeah I guess so (even "prostitutes" got their hair done in a bold fashion in Band of Brothers) biggest hamper for Poland in this matter is the lack of documentation among Western historians.[/quote] I completely agree with that one
Now how do we find our way back to the thread topic...*scratches head*
Only Norway was pretty anti-semitic, testified by this line in Norwegian law:
Constitution actually and it said No Jews&Jesuits allowed to enter the Kingdom of Norway Really weird ' I remember when reading it in history class people asked me: Who is a Jesuit? (I laughed hard inside myself LOL)
Oh pls give me a break:
I was thinking before WW2 Just the same about NL
For Sweden: Raul Wallenberg, anybody? He on his own saved about 10.000 Jewish lives, only to be arrested and left to rot in a Soviet cell after the war on suspicion of being a Western Spy.
Yes that guy fantastic I may even suppose he was a left sided guy, I was more of thinking about the large right-winged Sweeds whom were VERY pro-German ;)
There was a Nationalistic Socialist Movement in NL.
Did they have uniforms? I can recall looking at pictures with women and kids with flowers and baked bread etc without any special uniforms and such or flags
Jan Gross is a dirty liar because he unmasks the truth about Poland and the Jews
It's NOT about TRUTH it's about focusing on the wrong point!
It's like saying that 1 Marsian kills a Venusian because he was a Venusian and call him a anti-Venusian while the rest of the Marsians get's a hold of him hangs him by his balls spits at his face and even the worst scum of former Anti-Venusians says: HANG THE MURDERER!
Then really tell me if a writer then writes about the incident of that 1 Marsian killing a Venusian and IGNORING all the help the rest of the Marsians did for the Venusians which were in trouble
WTH do you CALL THAT? That is what I call Mr Gross!
There were JEWS killing JEWS in ww2! Does that make Jews anti-semitic? P`=)"?(/=!")(?"¤)=!¤)(?"=!)/ that's moronic! The only thing that is important is the national conciesness and it definatly didn't tell all Poles to murder Jews!
