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Piorun   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

They didn't care if you were an ethnic Pole, because the country of Poland didn't exist. You came from Russia, so you were an ethnic Russian. You came from the German Empire, so you were a German. What's so difficult to understand?

That’s exactly my point, the results are false, they were Polish by ethnicity yet counted as German even though they were not.
Piorun   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

It might come as a shock to you but you can be a US citizen yet still be an American Indian by ethnicity.

Is was speaking from a strictly genealogical perspective.

Then perhaps you should re learn the definitions again.
Piorun   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

Of course, because they were Austrian-Hungarian, Russian or German citizens.

You are a Yank; I guess you missed the part where he talks about the ethnic group not citizenship. Am I missing something or you just wanted to put your two cents in where it does not belong.
Piorun   
16 Oct 2009
History / What Was Happening in Poland around 1905? [73]

Did you know that in fact Germans are the largest ethnic group in the US?

You have to take those statistics with a grain of salt. Strictly speaking from my own family history, all of my great grandparents emigrated to US around 1890’s as teenagers. Looking through the US immigration records they were listed as either Austrian or German even though they were Polish. They met and married in the US and they had kids in US. My grandparents were born in US and were US citizens, they came back in 1920’s. My parents and I were born in Poland. Strictly speaking I wonder how many Poles were considered German, Austrian or Russian by the US statistics on immigrants despite the fact they were of pure Polish origin.
Piorun   
14 Sep 2009
Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [330]

but I'm kindly asking you to go to Italy and educate yourself..

Been there, seen it and tasted it. As I have said Chicago was the place where i had my best pizza ever, California probably the worst, now there's food for your thought. It's an opinion based on my experience no need to read into it more than have been stated. You have your opinion, I have my.
Piorun   
5 Sep 2009
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

Time for you to move, you might even change this said state provided you pick right direction, I suggest Vladivostok. Perhaps Tuktoyaktuk.
Piorun   
5 Sep 2009
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Is not that hard for me to answer a question straight without abusing someone else

You call it abuse, I view it as public service, put the troll in it's place.
Piorun   
5 Sep 2009
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Can you read? A kid was asked to do a report and ask for opinions, shame on you.

Do you honestly think a kid would post at that hour?
Piorun   
4 Sep 2009
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Well I am doing a report on this and I need to know by someone who actually KNOWS if Polish people are rude.

I don't think so, now fvck off.
Piorun   
22 Aug 2009
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

The name is Zawisza, as far as I know Zawisza is the first name so it would be a patronymic name formed from the name of the father and I think it means ambitious one, although it could be confused with Polish word zawistny. With a name like that no Pole would associate you with being Russian. With a Noble last name like that what's up with Sergey?
Piorun   
19 Aug 2009
Language / Funny/strange/deviant words in the Polish language [35]

How about ekstrahuje form of ekstrahować

which reminds me of a joke

Podchodzi sprzątaczka do laboranta:
sprzątaczka - Co Pan robi?
laborant - EkstraHUJE
sprzątaczka -To ja poproszę dwa!
Piorun   
14 Aug 2009
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

This suggests or is intended to suggest, that the original spelling may have been 'Barlin' or the place of the bear

Yes and the supporters of this theory often point to the document from around 1200's where the name was written as “Barlin”. Another interpretation of the name “Barlin” suggest that it was derived from the name “Bral” short for “Bratosław” which undoubtfully is Slavic.

The truth is that “Berlin” was founded in the IX c. by the Slavs as “Kopanica” in German “Köpenick" which today is one of the districts of Berlin and was referred to as “Berolina” in Latin which in turn is derived according to one of the theories from Slavic words “Bór, Rolina”. Up until 1200's it was in the possession of Slavic rulers of the land mainly Stodorans. “Berlin” or “Kopenica” was ruled by a Slavic Prince Jaksa from Kopenica when it was finally taken over by the Germans around 1200's.

Off topic Jaksa was very interesting character, he married a polish Princess Agapia and laid claim to Brandenburg when Henry died. Aided by the Poles he took possession of Brandenburg from Albrecht the Bear only to loose it to Albrecht after only three years.

Buuuuuuuuuut....this wendish town would had been spelled and called differently.

As you can see it has been spelled and called differently. There is no Ifs ot buts about it, it's roots are Slavic.
Piorun   
1 Aug 2009
Travel / Castles and Palaces in Poland (with pictures) [155]

Does anybody know which castle that is ? It's a Polish castle, but that's all I know.

Looks like ruins of the castle Tęczyn, in Rudno Poland.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamek_Tenczyn
Here you will find a map of Poland with the locations of the castles, when you zoom on the area you will see even more locations, click on the location to see the castle.

zamki.pl/?dzial=mapa
Piorun   
1 Aug 2009
Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [330]

American pizza is thick and totally not an Italian, thin pizza.

Well that's where you're wrong. Pizza as we know it today, yes it's very much an American invention and I do agree that some of the best pizza in the world you can only find in Chicago area. I personally prefer thin crust pizza, never did like Chicago style deep dish pizza. If you really want a good pizza you can forget the fast food chain restaurants, only family owned restaurants will do. Years ago there was this small place in Cragin area of Chicago on Fullerton called Abondanza, pizza and lasagna to die for. It's probably closed now or it has moved somewhere else, even back then the neighbourhood started to change. Anyway that was the place where I had my best pizza ever.
Piorun   
18 Jul 2009
Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]

Yes but stoyzee9 is a girl so it would be “Pyskata” cheeky, sassy, someone giving you a lip.
Piorun   
7 Apr 2009
Food / Polish Milk Soup [72]

For Easter, my Polish grandmother made milk soup.

You must have confused “Żurek wielkanocny” with milk soup. Żurek wielkanocny is a sour rye-meal soup and it's traditionally served for Easter, you do add all of the above; bacon bits, sausage slices, hard boiled egg slices and horseradish if you like. There's as many variation of this dish as villages in Poland I suppose. In Kraków region it's also served with mashed potatoes and bacon bits and cooked dried wild mushrooms water and all added to the soup for extra flavor.

It looks like this.

żurek
Piorun   
10 Mar 2009
Life / Polish Nursery Rhymes [253]

It's real, just a different version of it, look at Post # 90 by Eurola on this very thread page 3.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [612]

Unless you want to say that somebody who might be a Jew can not be a Pole.

Salomon (Solomon or Shlomo or Polish Szlomo) Morel (November 15, 1919 in Grabowo, Poland – February 14, 2007 in Tel Aviv) Funny how a Jew can change the rules when it fits his agenda. So was He Polish or Jewish? To avoid justice Szlomo claimed to be a Jew.

Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak). To avoid justice Wolińska-Brus claimed to be British subject.

So to answer your question I don't think it applies to Jews were you were born, they choose to be somebody else and by their own choice.

It’s called Jewish Loyalty for you. If it means to save their own ar** they can be anything you like them to be.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [612]

Just as I'll be waiting for you to explain how you went from saying that there is doubt about Gęborski's ethnicity to being certain that he was a Jew because all the people who ran Polish concentration camps were Jews.

I’ll make you a deal since it is you who are claiming they are Polish, you prove it. Otherwise I’ll call them Jews. As for Gęborski just like you call him Polish I call him Jewish same difference since it is not clear who he is.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [612]

I don't see where you have made any mention of Aleksy Krut, Stefan Szablewski, Włodzimierz Staniszewski, Stanisław Kwiatkowski, Ivan Mordasov or Teofil Hazelmajer, to name but a few of the commanders of the Polish concentration camps.

Unlike you I don’t make it my life’s mission to blame all the ailments of this world on Jews like you do on Poles. I don’t’ know the rest of these names, but with little bit of research on my part I’ll bet I can prove you wrong. You see It’s not the facts that are driving you but some kind of chip on your shoulder. Was your father thrown out of Poland or something?
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [612]

Face facts: a concentration camp in Poland which is run by Poles, guarded by Poles, managed by Poles and exists at the order of a Polish government which is made up of Poles is simply a Polish concentration camp. Trying to argue that it isn't just makes you look foolish.

Just read my statement above and consider changing all reference to Poles and Polish, to Jew and Jewish and you will be a hundred percent correct otherwise you are just a Lire.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [612]

Harry, are you up to your old tricks again and trying so desperately prove how Poles did this or that?

The simple truth is that Stalin did not trust Poles; in those days 90% of the penal facilities were run by and staffed by Jews who have changed their names to a more Polish sounding ones. So whom can Stalin entrust a Security in Poland a Jew by the name of Jacob Berman. Stalin regarded Jews as trustworthy, whose loyalties would be to Zionism rather than the country of their residence and he was right, seems like he was not disappointed in his choice.

Keeping to the subject at hand, in Silesian region alone there were some 2 to 3 hundred such officers and 75% of them were Jews, of course the percentage is much higher when it comes to who is of an executive level and position of influence. Silesia alone had 20 to 30 prisons housing polish nationals and anyone who was deemed a threat to a Commie Government. You have to keep in mind that it was Pinek Maka (a Jew), who was the Secretary of Security for Silesia and guess who he appointed to be in charge of the penal system? Hold on to your hat, here’s a real shocker now; it’s another Jew Chaim Studniberg.

Here is just a sample of Jewish officers in Silesian region who were commanders of such facilities and did not even bother to disguised to be perceived as Poles, they are as follow; Maj. Frydman (in Bytom), Jacobowitz (can’t remember), Szmul Kleinhauft (in Mysłowice), Efraim Lewin (in Nysa), Szlomo Morel (in Świętochłowice, Opole, Katowice) and Lola Potok Ackerfeid (in Gliwice).

As for Czesław Gęborski, being either Polish or Jewish although he himself never made a claim to be Jewish some of the witnesses have claimed that they overheard him bragging to other Jewish guards there and making this statement “I boast of me being Catholic and they believed me”. The shadow of a doubt is upon him but it was never proven. What he did is a stuff of aw inspiring and envy to many aspiring SS and Gestapo officers because of his ingenuity he employed in keeping his prisoners entertained to the bitter end. No matter how you perceive him to be a Pole or a Jew; the simple truth is his deeds were committed under a watchful eye of his regional commander who was a Jew and there is no way you can deny this.

PS. Read what American Jew named Sack has to say about this very subject. It will blow your mind and maybe make you realize how wrong you are. Keep in mind I recommend a Jewish author because you would not even consider reading a non Jewish one.
Piorun   
26 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

What happens to the oatmeal, and whatever else is left in the sieve?

Throw it out you already got the goodies out into the liquid.

What's a "dag?' What might that translate to in our outdated system here?

25 dag of whole grain bread
Dag – decagram, 25 decagram = 250 grams = 0.551 lb or 8.81 oz
2.5 l of water
l - liter, 2.5l = 0.659 Gallons = 2.639 Quarts = 10.556 Cups
20 dag of sugar
20 dag = 200 grams = 0.440 lb or 7.05 oz
1 dag of yeast
1 dag = 10 grams = 0.022 lb or 0.35 oz
Piorun   
25 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

When you strain it, do you save the water you've strained? Do you save the solids? Is this the "starter" you later refer to?

You save the liquid portion and yes it’s called a starter. Just remember when adding it to boiling water make sure you are constantly stirring it and adding it slowly otherwise you will end up with lumps instead of nice consistency.

Is it the equivalent of yeast?

No it’s not. Apart from its use as a beverage, kwas is often used as a base or additive for soups and stews in East European cuisine especially in Russian and Ukrainian dishes. Although non-alcoholic It contains anywhere from 0.7% - 2.2% of alcohol. This drink is very popular in the Eastern Europe, in countries like Russia, Ukrainian, Belarus, Lithuania. Also available in eastern part of Poland. Go to any local ethnic deli like Russian, Ukrainian and ask for: Russian, Belarusian, Serbian and Ukrainian: “квас” (kvas) in Polish it’s “kwas chlebowy” (lit. "bread leaven"), “kwas” on its own means acid. In Lithuanian “gira” and Estonian “kali”. I’m sure they will be more than happy to assist you and recommend the product. Lithuanian and Ukrainian brands are good but I’m sure the other ones are just as good.

Here’s a little tip on what to look for.

Kwas chlebowy is made by the natural fermentation of bread made from whole grain bread like wheat, rye and flavored with fruit, berries, raisins. Homemade “kwas chlebowy” most often uses dark or rye bread, dried and baked into croutons or fried with an addition of sugar, fruit and with yeast culture. Unlike mass-produced varieties, the home made one has no preservatives and spoils within relatively short period of time usually up to a week or so. Commercial one the cheap brands are made just like any other soft drink product, using sugar, carbonated water, malt extract, and flavoring. Better brands are those made by beer rather than soft drink manufacturers, usually they use a variation of the traditional process to brew their products. For cooking purpose look for a product made by beer manufacturer with as little flavoring ingredients added in as possible. Kwas chlebowy is high in vitamin B content and commonly served unfiltered, with the yeast still in it.

If you’re really hard pressed and there’s nothing available where you live you can make your own here’s a basic recipe for you.

To make your own home made Kwas Chlebowy

Ingredients:
25 dag of whole grain bread (preferably dark variety)
2.5 L of water
20 dag of sugar
1 dag of yeast (the one used in wine and beer making process not the one for baking so be careful here) Cooper's Ale Yeast is fine.

Raisins, lemon peels (optional if you are making drink version for extra flavor)

Crumble the bread, dry it in the oven till it's slightly toasted and dry. When the bread is dried out lay it at the bottom of a pot and pour boiling water over it, place it aside for 24h. After 24 hours has passed strain it through a fine sieve (keeping the liquid portion) add sugar, and yeast that had been dissolved in small amount of warm water, blend it thoroughly and set it aside in a worm environment. When reaction takes place carefully remove the froth. When the reaction finally subsides remove the remnants of the froth and it’s ready for bottling. For cooking purpose use it as it is with the setlement on the bottom of the container.

If you decide to bottle some you can reuse the bottles from Grolsch for this purpose, (the ones with the cork attached to them not the bottle cap type). If you’re making it to be consumed as a drink place the lemon peel and couple of raisins in the bottle to give it extra flavor, before pouring in the liquid. Close the bottles tightly and keep it in a warm environment for one more day. Then store it in a dark cool place for later consumption. If properly bottled and stored in a suitable environment it will keep for approximately 4 weeks, if not the bottles can explode. If you decide to experiment with making your own kwas keep it away from other food products that could be contaminated with glass just in case the accidents happen. Anything that’s stored longer than 5 days should be checked if it’s not spoiled before consumption. If you decide to drink it, watch out it’s an acquired taste but according to some folks it’s good for stomach ailments and used as a home medicine for this purpose.

Recent scientific studies have proven that people who regularly consume kwas chlebowy are 3 time less likely to catch a flu. It’s very beneficial for proper digestion and speeds up the metabolism. It contains enzymes which regulate the bacterial flora in human digestive system.

COUTION:
YOU SHOULD NOT DRINK THIS PRODUCT IF YOUR BODY IS UNABLE TO TOLERATE YEAST.
Piorun   
19 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

Indeed the English button is not working. So here’s the translation.

Kieselycia

Ingredients:
1 tablespoon of Kwas chlebowy, (Kvass, or Bread Drink in English, you will be able to find it in the ethnic section, most likely as Kvass in Russian foods section)

4 tablespoons of wheat flour
½ kg (1.1 pounds) of oatmeal
3 cloves of garlic (you can add more if you like it)
2 bay leaves
1 l (4.2 cups) of water
Salt and pepper

Preparation:
To make the Starter:
Mix together 1 tablespoon of Kvass with 2 tablespoons of wheat flour in 4 cups of lukewarm water. Slowly add oatmeal while stirring and 2 more tablespoons of wheat flour.When it's all mixed together thoroughly, cover with cheese cloth and set aside for two days. After two days have passed add some cold water, stir and strain it through fine sieve.

Boil some water with bay leaves and minced garlic. When the water have come to a boiling point lower the heat and slowly add starter constantly stirring and cook it for a while over a low heat. Add salt and pepper to taste. Serve hot with boiled potatoes, wild mushrooms however you like it.