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These days he would rather run away abroad, as we have witnessed already. Recruiting actual Russians to fight Poland, Finland, Germany and France might prove to be a difficult task, apart from being a suicide from the demographic point of view.

The total population of European NATO is over half a billion (600 million if we count Turkey). With US and other overseas allies it's about a billion! NATO's demographic advantage is overwhelming.

Oh, and seriously - tell Lukashenka to stop sabotaging you; you need those precious migrants that he mindlessly sends west. ;)

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Sauron will no doubt gather minions not only from Mordor but many other lands. ;)

But will the quality of those ragged conscripts be good enough to fight Gondor's professional armies that remain intact and alert?


Brilliant.

You can start by telling the Potato Fuhrer to send those badly needed hordes of migrants east instead of west.

If Ukraine caused your army so much trouble, how can you hope to fight NATO? It's pure fantasy.

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:)

Both you and I know the value of propaganda, it is immense.

One shouldn't, however, make a schoolboy mistake of believing his own propaganda.

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Truly an admirable and ambitious goal.

One thing that your strategists should notice, though, is that the West hasn't really arrived in this war yet.

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Certainly not.

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My theory is that they are trying to inflict maximum possible losses on the Ukrainians. They have immense advantage in firepower, deadly in positional war.

When they decide that they "softened" Ukrainian defenses enough, they will start the offensive (probably with the help of North Korean cannon fodder).

Just a theory.

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Yes. Even in this lamentably post-Christian world the shards of Christian spirit remain, and PF is one such shard.

Or maybe we simply spent too many years with one another. You can only realistically hate somebody for a year, maybe two if you're good at it, but if you keep talking to people longer than that, you will find decent souls behind the flaws.

It's like in arranged marriages - love eventually comes. :)

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Do you believe that the current usury and fiat-money-based economic system is sustainable? If not, what will have real value when it falls?

Why are you so adamant in rejecting even a possibility of such alliance if the EU seems to be willing to slaughter Polish energy sector (Green Order), industry (high cost of green transformation) and farming (Mercosur deal)? Not to even mention such a "tiny" problem like the forced redistribution of migrants.

Is such rigid, dogmatic rejection of one of possible options for Poland really reasonable? Food for thought.

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A whole lot of things.

However, Jon was talking nonsense here. The only Africa that I have family in is my wife's hometown of Mława; a word of warning: don't ever go there in the summer - it's scorching hot and not even the slightest breeze, a nightmare for a Danziger.


Dammit! :(


They will if we don't finally meet!

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I told you there is some sort of curse on our meeting. My wife now thinks that I have an imaginary friend from America but she is kind enough not to say it openly. xD

I should be back in Gdańsk on Sunday.

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What?

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Be quiet, son of a Brit.

You know I like you but you have to show more respect for our Russian Slavic brothers.

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But, of course, I am never giving up on the idea of United Slavia.

I am away from civilisation (currently in Warsaw) and couldn't be arsed to type everything on my phone, but when I'm back I'll continue the good work for Christ and Svetovid (someone has to when Crow is not here).

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All right, f*ck it then. Let's stick to the EU and NATO.

I tried, Svetovid... I tried.

*sighs a deep Slavic sigh*

@Admin

This thread can be closed now.

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Centralner!

I will answer the rest when I get back to civilisation.

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Not really. The great Christian revival is a necessity if we want to stop the depopulation of Europe (without importing thirdworlders).


To make the alliance less asymmetrical. For Russia we would be in top 3 most important allies, for Americans we are not even top 10, so they will sell us down the river when it's convenient for them (see Yalta).

Westerners in general are not to be trusted. There are exceptions, of course, among the members of this fine board but their governments consist invariably of leftists, masons and shabbos goim.

Sad facts.

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Right! I forgot about Japan and South Korea, so we are not even in Top 10!


That's why it is vital to detach ourselves from any international organisations promoting tolerance for sexual deviations, abortion, euthanasia or any similar elements of the rotten civilization of death, and conduct a thorough state-aided revival of morality and fertility in accordance with Catholic Social Teaching.


Erm... 5% of GDP for defence? Those damn Russians! How dare they demand something like that! :)

You are arguing very well for the necessity of Polish-Russian alliance, Jon. Thank you for your support.

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Would alliance with Russia be more asymmetrical than alliance with the USA? I don't think so.

For America we are behind at least 8 countries in importance (UK, Australia, Taiwan, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Turkey). For Russia we would be in Top 3 most important allies.


I lost any hope that the EU will ever change its suicidal policies (a subject for another thread). Besides, it is too weak.

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Hear, hear.

Nations and their aims don't change that much in 80 years. That's why it is so important for Poland to come to terms with Russia before the Germans do so. If we don't, we may find ourselves in an untenable position (Polish History 101 really).

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Besides, we have to reach an agreement with Russia before Germany does, and they are champing at the bit to do so (only the USA restrains them, but will they do it forever?).

If Germany strikes a deal with Russia before we do, we're f*cked.

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@mafketis

You worry too much about ordinary people. As Bobko said - it is possible to convince them with skillful propaganda.


They are not able to do it though (unless they use nuclear weapons which is unlikely). For the first time since 17th century Russia is not able to conquer Poland militarily. We are the strongest we had ever been in the last four centuries (Battle of Vienna was a swan song), Russia is the weakest in the last 400 years. It is therefore a perfect time to make a good deal (making a deal when they are strong and we are weak would be retarded).

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Not on her own. But with the help of the rest of Slavia, who knows?

Why should we help them? We still owe them. We were cattle to be partially slaughtered, partially enslaved; subject to actual and cultural genocide. They saved us from it. To deny it because they made us their satellite later is pure idiocy.


Russia treating Estonia and Lithuania as equal partners sounds equally ridiculous as the USA treating Guatemala and Bulgaria as equal partners.

Just 'partners' is enough, 'equal' is silly boyscoutism.


The fantasy of fragmenting Russia is exactly that, a fantasy and - all things considered - a dangerous one for Poland.


So let's help them junk it.

And yes, Korvinus, natural resources and habitable space will be very much relevant in the future.

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Requiem aeternam...

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@Korvinus

1. Russia has vast territory, natural resources and great scientific/technical potential. It also has large deposits of gold and is a large gold and silver producer (which means they will have real money when the usury-based current financial system falls). Even if it's not a global superpower at the moment, it definitely has almost all it takes to be one.

Why did I say 'almost'? Demography.

2. Hmm... spheres of influence are liquid and subject to constant change. Nobody knows it better than we do. Russia has almost all it takes to extend her sphere of influence.

Why did I say 'almost'? Demography.

3. Bobko mentioned earlier in this thread the ways to increase Russia's soft power, and joined military potential of Slavia is still respectable. Russia has almost all it takes to again be a military superpower.

Why did I say 'almost'? Demography.

@Gruni

You mentioned lifeline. Russia has already played this role for us. I recently visited the Museum of Warsaw Uprising with my family. When you realise what Germans did to our capital, that in this single event they slaughtered ten times as many civilians as were murdered in Katyń (when they already knew they lost the war!), and that until today in Germany there isn't even a proper memorial of Polish victims of the war, it makes you look differently at certain things.

@Novichok

You beat me to it. Demography is the key to the future.

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Children, children...

The words 'best' and 'worst' do not collocate with 'propaganda', or I should rather say they create meaningless (or at least ambiguous) collocations.

Propaganda can be either effective or ineffective. It is a tool to achieve useful aims.

For example, we (the real elites) know who Piłsudski was but it is useful to upkeep the legend for internal propaganda purposes, so we upkeep it. We know who Wałęsa was, but it is useful to upkeep the legend for external propaganda purposes. The same can be said about Kościuszko, Sobieski, Poniatowski, and applies even to small fry like Sucharski or Kukliński.

Propaganda affects only general public (i.e. idiots), for elites it is merely a tool. The problem in Poland is that our elites are in science, academia, business and liberal professions in general. Politics is controlled by colonial pseudo-elites controlled either by Brussels or Washington. In other words, we are not a sovereign nation anymore.

Some people think that replacing the current "elites" with Konfederacja/Braun camp would be a good option but that would only switch the outside control centre from the EU/USA to Russia. It is therefore vital for Poland's future to lift independent elites to power, people who would be able to adjust to a given situation and always do what's best for Poland without being externally controlled.

Sounds impossible? At the moment it is, but there is still a huge potential of dignity and patriotism in Poles to achieve it. This dormant potential needs to be awakened though. What best awakens dormant potentials? Disasters. Luckily, at the moment disasters are very likely to come from both East and West. All we have to do is to patiently wait and remember who we are and what we want to achieve. Luckily again, Poles are good at waiting and remembering.

But I went too far away from this thread's topic, namely the usefulness of future partnership with Russia. I apologise. :)

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Understandable :)


Exactly!

*handshake*

Gotta catch some z's. Good night, dobri brate, and keep up the good work!

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Or let's rather say: Slavs are kind-hearted - and it's easy to rekindle love in their hearts.


Feasible.


Or let's rather say: Polish enmity towards alien nazi elements in Ukrainian society.

You need to work on the way you formulate certain thoughts if you want to be effective in propaganda, Bobi.


But feasible and quite effective.


Hasn't it?

The increasing popularity of Konfederacja and Braun would seem to point to a different conclusion.

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Let's do the heavy lifting then. For our children and grandchildren. Is it not worth it?

As for the Chinese... OK, cooperate but don't trust; and if you really want to trust, OK - trust but keep a sharp knife close at hand, just in case.

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No, but you would be able to shape a Pole out of a Russian.

You can't turn a sculpture back into uncarved stone, but you can do the opposite. You can't turn a diamond back into coal - but you can still turn coal into a diamond etc.

All Slavs, if we allow enough time and proper circumstances, will eventually evolve into the highest Slavic form - Poles. I am currently reading a book by a Polish nun (Bulgarian by birth and ethnic origin) that confirms it, but that's another story.

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Doubt it.

America might be tempted to do that but Russia still remembers what nazism did to Slavia and will never establish Germans as gendarmes of Slavic people.


... a lot of things. They can be friends, partners, allies - yes. But they are not Slavs. Blood is not water.


Ukrainians are our brothers and sisters. We love them deeply. Of this there can be no reasonable doubt.

Having said that, the future of our Ukrainian brothers and sisters will depend on their ability to eradicate all forms of nazism from within their midst. In future Slavia nazism (in any form) will not be tolerated.


Like destroying her energy sector/industry by idiotic green policies, her farming by Mercosur deal, and flood her with thousands of reject migrants from Germany? Like indirectly refusing to acknowledge democratically elected Polish goverment by all sorts of economic pressure? By trying to enforce on her morally rotten standards of sexual deviation? No, you're right, this is impossible and will never happen.