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Why Poland is not Russia


southern 75 | 7,096
9 May 2010 #1
Most people in the West till the '90's had problem telling Poland apart from Russia.I mean nothing at all was taught in history in schools about eastern European history or Slavs.Now does the average westerner feel there is a major difference between Russian and polish society and culture or for him everything still remains Eastern Europe as it was eastern block?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
9 May 2010 #2
Russia, it is not Eastern block or Europe!
plk123 8 | 4,148
9 May 2010 #3
Most people in the West till the '90's had problem telling Poland apart from Russia

where?? most american couldn't place PL on the map if their life depended on it but they surely knew that PL was NOT russia or soviet union.

Russia, it is not Eastern block or Europe!

but a pretty large part of russia is in europe and thus eastern block
1jola 14 | 1,879
9 May 2010 #4
Why Poland is not Russia

That is an extremely difficult question for Westerners...ans Southern.

Let's try some easier ones first:
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
23 Jun 2011 #5
most american couldn't place PL on the map if their life depended on it but they surely knew that PL was NOT russia or soviet union.

True, My Polish American friend worked in an American household & the Americans thought Poland was a Middle Eastern country.

Pretty sad an adult would be this stupid.

Most people in the West till the '90's had problem telling Poland apart from Russia.

Alot of people don't even know what Slavic is even. Some people seem to think Polish people are Germanic.

Yes, I have heard some Germans & Brits say that Poland is West Russia.

But, Poland is likely the home to Slavic nations.

Poland has the oldest R1a in Europe. It has been proven the R1a in Poland moved to Russia & Ukraine later.

Also Poland was Poland while all East Slavs were Kievan Rus.

In & Around Poland there is & has been of Slavic diversity.

Like Kashubians,White Croatians, Sorbs, Silesians, Slovinicans, Polabians ect.

With East Slavs there has been more diversity towards Poland. Belarussians, Rusyns, Red Ruthenians, Ukrainians ect.

When, you go towards Russia it is pretty much just Russians. Exept for Cossacks who are more like Ukrainians.

But, it still shows that the Slavic maximum diversity seems to be in Poland.

Yes, South Slavs have diversity too but it is more based on religion than linguistics.
Joe Fed - | 2
15 Aug 2011 #6
[Moved from]: Does anyone know where Wolkapaszitza Russia is?

My grandfather apparently came from this Russian City back in 1911. Back then the Russia Poland borders were not exactly set, so this city could now be in Poland under another name???
enkidu 7 | 623
15 Aug 2011 #7
How About this. or that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B3lka_Piaseczna,_Podlaskie_Voivodeship
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B3lka_Piecz%C4%85ca

Both of these wilages were in Imperial Russia Back in 1911.

BTW - The name consist always two words. Its "Wólka <something>"

Take a look here and good luck. :)
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B3lka
Wee Boaby 2 | 2
12 Jun 2012 #8
Merged: THE RIVALRY BETWEEN POLAND AND RUSSIA

Can anyone explain this rivalry to me?

Do they really hate each other? If so why?

Does anyone think it will kick off between the fans?
bullfrog 6 | 602
12 Jun 2012 #9
Go buy yourself a history book!
Wee Boaby 2 | 2
12 Jun 2012 #10
id rather watch them puch hell out each other in the streets and make themselves even bigger laughing stocks
Jimmu 2 | 157
17 Jun 2012 #11
Can anyone explain this rivalry to me?

I think it has something to do with invading each other's countries throughout history.
OP southern 75 | 7,096
17 Jun 2012 #12
They usually tend to fight over who invented the wodka.
pawian 200 | 21,578
17 Jun 2012 #13
I think it has something to do with invading each other's countries throughout history.

Are you crazy?

They usually tend to fight over who invented the wodka.

And pierogis.

Deal - Russians invented vodka and Poles pierogis. Or the opposite.

Poland Russia deal
OP southern 75 | 7,096
17 Jun 2012 #14
Between Slavs it is usually brotherly beating.
legend 3 | 664
18 Jun 2012 #15
Many Poles dislike Russians because of history (Wars/Communist/Partitions/etc).
The reasons should be the same for Germans I guess.

Although, it may just be me but for reasons some Poles dislike Germany while hating on Russia.
It makes no sense to me.

In WWII Poland suffered way more casualties from Germany. Roughly 2.5 million ethnic Poles and 2.5 Polish Jews died.
From sources I have seen Poland suffered 300,000 casualties from Russia.

I personally want a Slavic Union (just a dream).
The "West" has for the most part united through various treaties/organizations/etc.
Do not like NATO (their actions) either.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
18 Jun 2012 #16
Although, it may just be me but for reasons some Poles dislike Germany while hating on Russia.
It makes no sense to me.

History of Poland didn't start in 1939, what Russians did (Soviets?) at those times opened a lot of wounds from the past and they flourished (the hatred). That hatred was pummeled down to the earth for a long time, an resurgence of it (small one) we could all see before the Match Russia-Poland. Let's hope it ends at that.

Makes sense if your family has roots somewhere else then Warsaw.
Jimmu 2 | 157
18 Jun 2012 #17
Are you crazy?

Some say so. But what has that to do with my post?
Are you saying I'm crazy because I said they have invaded each others countries or am I crazy for saying that leads to less than congenial relations?
Vlad1234 18 | 1,058
25 Jan 2022 #18
From sources I have seen Poland suffered 300,000 casualties from Russia.

Which exactly sources? Are you sure they are reliable?
Miloslaw 14 | 4,958
25 Jan 2022 #19
Which exactly sources?

Do you have sources that prove he is wrong?
What are you anyway?
A Russian or just a Russian apologist?
Own up or be mistrusted on this forum.
pawian 200 | 21,578
25 Jan 2022 #20
300.000 casualties from Russia.

Well, it is certain inaccuracy to focus on Russia solely, forgetting it operated within the much bigger Soviet Union. It is like saying the English instead of the British. Russians made about 50% of the USSR - never exceeded 60%.

Are you sure they are reliable?

Casualties means people wounded or killed and this number 300.000 is very reliable if we remember that the Soviet Union attacked Poland in 1939, then occupied and ethnically cleansed Polish territory and then occupied Poland again at the end of the war.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,385
26 Jan 2022 #21
his number 300.000 is very reliable if

Is not. It estimation is between 700 000 to 1 million 200 000. Not counting ethnic cleansing before the war in Soviet Union. Not counting those who were killed in 1944 - 47.
pawian 200 | 21,578
26 Jan 2022 #22
between 700 000 to 1 million 200 000.

No., this is a total number of oppressed people, including the ones whose cow or horse was stolen by the Red Army soldiers. . While we are using the term casualty which means wounded or killed. Check the definition of the word.

Not counting ethnic cleansing before the war in Soviet Union

Correct coz the op mentioned Poland, not all Poles in general.

Not counting those who were killed in 1944 - 47.

Again you are making a mistake. Of course we count in years 1944 and 1945 coz the op mentioned WW2.

I see you are not really prepared for the discussion. Go back and check your sources and the subject matter. :):)
Vlad1234 18 | 1,058
26 Jan 2022 #23
if we remember that the Soviet Union attacked Poland in 1939

If it didn't, then Western Ukraine and Belarus would be occupied by the Nazis.
pawian 200 | 21,578
26 Jan 2022 #24
Western Ukraine and Belarus would be occupied by the Nazis.

hahaha I see you sing the old stalinist song about it. Did you forget the Nazi Soviet alliance called Ribbentrop Molotov Pact? We discussed it ad nauseam in the forum. The Pact made Stalin the most loyal ally of Hitler until 1941. Stalin didn`t need to protect Ukraine or Belarus from Nazis coz all the details and new borders had been already agreed in the Pact.

Stop that nasty stalinist propaganda, it is really useless here, you are wasting time.



Novichok 4 | 7,734
26 Jan 2022 #25
Did you forget the Nazi-Soviet alliance called Ribbentrop Molotov Pact?

Did you forget the US military assistance to the Soviets? Maybe some of it was used to occupy Poland. And let's not forget about Poles in the Red Army who later became their collaborators as occupants.

BTW, what was wrong with that R-M Pact? The USSR had every right to form pacts with anybody. How many pacts did the US enter to protect its interests? Would you like the list?
Vlad1234 18 | 1,058
26 Jan 2022 #26
The Pact made Stalin the most loyal ally of Hitler until 1941.

An ally? That would probably be an exagerration. Basically they had just a non-agression pact and some basic economic relations. What is wrong with that? USSR desperatelly needed some high-tech goods and bought them from Germany... Of course, without Molotov-Ribentrop pact Hitler would occupy Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Belarus. And Poles who lived there would gain nothing from it.
pawian 200 | 21,578
26 Jan 2022 #27
basic economic relations.

Basic?? :):):) Stalin sponsored 90% of Germany`s supply of resources. The trains were still going to Germany when Hitler attacked the USSR.

Hitler would occupy Western Ukraine and Belarus

Stop woulding, please. We are talking about facts, not woulds. The fact is that the USSR allied with Nazis and they divided that part of Europe between each other. Stalin got half Poland, part of Romania and the Baltic states. He also got free hand in Finland but Fins fought galantly and preserved their independence.

No revisionist propaganda will change those facts - you are losing time.
Oathbreaker 4 | 474
26 Jan 2022 #28
@Vlad1234
Neutral relations don't allow foreign submarines to dock and be supplied near Murmansk nor helping by breaking icebergs to help German subs to be transferred to the pacific to sink British and american convoys nor transferring loads of vital necesarry food supplies to help feed the German population. Collaborating secret services with regard to fight/eliminate Polish resistance movement.

Stalin tried to bide his time and wanted Germany to bleed out in the west with hope of repeating WW1 situation. It was gravely miscalculated (which also lead to greater army leadership independance post-1941 which lead to gaining a larger advantage for the red army grafually. While German leadership being blocked more and more not only by resources but, orders too.

Soviet envisioned Poland to be the wests pawn, just like nowadays the Russian perspective has been "NATO's lapdog"

Until Russians start thinking seriously and take Poland seriously there won't be much of any dialogue
pawian 200 | 21,578
26 Jan 2022 #29
BTW, what was wrong with that R-M Pact? The USSR had every right to form pacts with anybody.

States act according to their interests. Except that current brainwashed Russians refuse to call it sincerely what it was, namely a perfect Soviet-Nazi alliance which produced the 4th partition of Poland and the occupation of the Baltics. They talk nonsense about protecting Ukraine etc just like our dear Vlad here. :):) In 1941 Soviets weren`t so enthusiastic about protecting Ukraine and Germans got as far as 20 km from Moscow.
Oathbreaker 4 | 474
26 Jan 2022 #30
@pawian
It's a Soviet symptom, trying to be morally superior by performing morally abhorant actions.

I don't know if it's guilt or them wanting to be morally good or just want a popular standing.

Russians want to copy cat Roman Empire or Mongolian Empire and expand as much as possible. Even at ones own expense to a higher degree then other peoples (which easily leads to disregard of human lives and self-destruction)

I only wish for them to find a goal of being a slavic state similarly to Poland, and not a semi/quasi roman/mongolian-empire


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