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Lech Walesa - Happy Birthday!


Bus Lady 1 | -
30 Sep 2012  #1
I just want to wish the great & magnificent Lech Walęsa a beautiful happy birthday for the 29th September!

Lech, may you have many more to come! X

From a devoted fan! Bus Lady.
pawian 161 | 9,968
30 Sep 2012  #2
The lack of replies suggests that LW isn`t too popular here.
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
30 Sep 2012  #3
Yups, Ive guessed its like Maggie T' we Brits mostly hate her yet you Poles seem to love her, vice versa with old tasch tastic Lech :)
goofy_the_dog
30 Sep 2012  #4
Happy Birthday TW "Bolek"
On this great day of the Awakening, may the Nation wish you what you wish the Nation ;)
To the Dear SB Agent, his best fan :)
pawian 161 | 9,968
30 Sep 2012  #5
Maggie T' we Brits mostly hate her

Why? Because she cracked down on miners?
Yes, but she also defended Malvinas Islands.

To the Dear SB Agent, his best fan :)

Didn`t I say?

The lack of replies suggests that LW isn`t too popular here.

Tim Bucknall 7 | 98
11 Dec 2012  #6
if i'd have seen it in time, i'd have posted, i hope he looks after himself better than Vaclav Havel did!

I wish we'd kept our Solidarnosc t shirts instead of wearing them until they fell to pieces.
in nov 1989 my Mum was working for an exiled Family of Polish aristocrats, on school holidays i would come with her and run around their big house. they were lovely people who used to spoil me at xmas.

the matriarch of the household was on the phone to poland keeping up with events, i wish i was older back then and able to appreciate what was happening, but i do remember the stories of their terrible war time experiences.

for all his faults he's a great man who changed history

is he really as unpopular as Maggie T is here? (i'm not an Anti-Maggie person, but its true she's hated)

heres a cartoon of him from the Imperial War Museum North



Dougpol1 30 | 3,066
11 Jul 2015  #7
for all his faults he's a great man who changed history

Yes - Poles are clueless. They bad mouth Walesa at garden grill parties but they allowed the communist general to live out his natural, and bought his book and made him a rich man.

The Polish nation is very badly ignorant as to the real facts.
Crow 137 | 7,644
11 Jul 2015  #8
yes happy birthday.

poor Pan Walesa can truly rejoice in his birthday. He survived London airport
jon357 63 | 14,134
11 Jul 2015  #9
He survived London airport

Following airport procedures isn't much to 'survive', is it.

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Crow 137 | 7,644
11 Jul 2015  #10
it is, as we all sow it and pan Walesa experienced it personally.
jon357 63 | 14,134
11 Jul 2015  #11
experienced it personally.

Experienced what? He had a normal journey like any other traveller.

Why are we writing about it in this thread. It isn't his birthday for a while yet.
Crow 137 | 7,644
11 Jul 2015  #12
i agree. Most important thing is that is he alive and free to celebrate his birthday. Sure, humiliated but, alive.
Jadowniki 1 | 24
12 Jul 2015  #13
Yes, Lech Wałęsa appears to be this great
hero who led the solidarność movement but he was also extremely corrupt.
If it was not for some of his underlings, the movement probably would have been stunted from the beginning.
When the labouers of the lenin shipyards in gdansk were given their working demands lech decided to end the strike.
This would have abandoned the strikers in other shipyards and factories across poland, allowing the authorities to shut them down and destroy solidarność in the cradle.

It was only by the intervention of Alina Pienkowska and Anna Walentynowicz that the strike continued and grew when they shut the gates and persuaded the workers to keep up the strike.

This is one example of lechs somewhat slippery track record. Historical idealism shows him as a shining hero, the facts show a more fallible man who might even have been a communist double agent.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
12 Jul 2015  #14
hero who led the solidarność movement but he was also extremely corrupt.

Care to explain how Lech Wałęsa was corrupt?

If it was not for some of his underlings, the movement probably would have been stunted from the beginning.

Well, duh. He might have been the inspiration to the masses, but there were a lot of great men and women behind him.

When the labouers of the lenin shipyards in gdansk were given their working demands lech decided to end the strike.

What's new? Solidarność was first and foremost a trade union.

This would have abandoned the strikers in other shipyards and factories across poland, allowing the authorities to shut them down and destroy solidarność in the cradle.

That's because the Gdansk Shipyard workers were concerned about themselves, not others. Same story all over Poland, particularly with miners.

It was only by the intervention of Alina Pienkowska and Anna Walentynowicz that the strike continued and grew when they shut the gates and persuaded the workers to keep up the strike.

Pienkowska was a remarkable woman.

This is one example of lechs somewhat slippery track record. Historical idealism shows him as a shining hero, the facts show a more fallible man who might even have been a communist double agent.

Yawn. You might want to look at more obvious cases, such as the curious case of an ex-AK man who just so happened to be given a very large and comfortable apartment in Zoliborz.
Monika51
12 Jul 2015  #15
he was given - or rather he could register in this "apartment" just like his neighbours, who reconstructed this town house after the war. Many years later he bought this flat
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
12 Jul 2015  #16
Yes yes. Of course. He just so happened to be able to continue his studies post-war as well, despite being an AK veteran. And then he even managed to work on the American Embassy. Quite remarkable for an AK veteran, don't you think?
Monika51
12 Jul 2015  #17
he was able to continue his studies at £ódź Technical University, not in Warsaw - UB was more interested in WTU's students, like Jan Rodowicz "Anoda" for example.

I knew a lot of AK veterans from Warsaw, Lublin, Tri-city, Olsztyn, not all of them were arrested or prosecuted by communists.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,679
12 Jul 2015  #18
I knew a lot of AK veterans from Warsaw, Lublin, Tri-city, Olsztyn, not all of them were arrested or prosecuted by communists.

Yes, but an AK veteran that went on to study abroad AND managed to get his children on TV is quite remarkable, don't you think?


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