Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Yeah. For the record (AFAICR) I've never suggested Poland follow US style gun laws. I have said that Polish people, being that way they are, are very liable to not follow gun laws and those who want them will find and acquire them. "Rules are for other people, my case is special" might as well be the national motto....

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Maybe none of the Jews who can speak Polish know (or are willing to follow) the correct party line


My guess is that he's supposed to be sowing dissent and dischord (while appearing to not be doing that).

The question is why is the government falling for it?

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Actually homicide rates per 100,000 people aren't that high in the US... usually around 4 per 100,000 which is lower than Estonia or Turkey... when you factor in that most of the homicides are actually drug gang violence it's even lower.

And there's the ethno-racial component blacks and latinos are both wildly over-represented in gun violence. the US quadrupled its latino population in something like 40 years and increased gun violence is at least partly a side effect of that. (Black violent crime and gun crime rates tend to be high everywhere unless suppressed by draconian measures).

Everyone would like to disarm and disband violent drug gangs but other policies of the US encourage high drug consumption which means the gangs thrive.


I'm okay with giving up Alaska (useless place that messes up maps) and Hawaii (and Puerto Rico).

Then we'll see about California and Texas. The former is probably too unweildy to be governed as a single country and would split into norhtern and southern factions pretty quickly though the north could merge with Washington and Oregon (see the book Ecotopia)

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Is a high trust monocultural European solution to a low trust diverse American problem, which a large minority or maybe a majority of people don't think is a problem.

I repeat. Most Americans do not feel that law abiding private citizens having (and often carrying) firearms is a problem and will resist any program to significantly disarm the public.


And don't call it a scheme in the US (very negative connotations overall it needs to be called a program or project or something like that)

Actually hard to do since it's hard to find statistics that separate suicide from homicide. And there are regional cultural and demographic issues that need to be addressed (and which nobody wants to address) and a program that might work in one area won't work in others, there's more regional differences in terms of history and culture in the US than most Europeans realize.

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The term 'market dominant minority' is used for both (diaspora Chinese in SEAsia are widely despised for their monetary and other shenanigans).

Compare the Parsi minority in India widely admired for their philanthropy

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Should be "all in favor of eliminating/reducing mass shootings"

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I'm all in favor of mass shootings, but the problem there is mental illness and alienation (there's a high correlation between rootlessness and shootings) - not easily solved by taking away guns from normal law-abiding people.

And I'm not talking about migrants I'm talking about US citizens - but no one is supposed to mention differing crime rates by race/ethnic group in the US.

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yeah... vast cultural rifts aren't going to be solved on an internet forum (who'd a thunk it?)

I have actually seen a couple of guns in Poland on the street (and once in the middle of an osiedle where a bunch of teenagers were admiring it).

This was back in the 90s though (maybe early naughts for the osiedle gun) and I don't go out at night much anymore...

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This is the problem.... the Americans who are most in favor of gun control tend to live in urban areas and they want guns out of the hands of minority criminals but they can't say that out loud and so instead they talk a lot of smack about the NRA or responsible gun owners... good policy never comes from lies so until they can openly say that urban black and latino crime is a serious problem they can't actually address the issue.

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In pvssy universe maybe, if I catch home invaders it's gonna get violent.

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Only as long as armed criminals are few and far between...

But it's not just gun crime, burglaries are probably a lot more common in places where thieves are pretty sure the homeowners won't be armed...

What the hell is happening in the UK?

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/21/new-crime-figures-expected-show-burglary-soaring-parts-uk-police/

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And many Jewish families in the US South were slave holders, 75% of families in some places, though admittedly numbers of families were small and mostly urban so this didn't represent as many slaves but they owned slaves at a higher per capita rate than southern non-jewish whites.

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The only legal way to do that is through a constitutional amendment (the US consittution is such that nothing can be taken out, only added so that (for example) the 21st amendment repeals the 18 (which is still part of the constitution)

Messing with the Bill of rights will be a gargantuan task and all but doomed to failure. It really would be easier to deal with the underlying social problems instead.

Hint: school shootings happen in transient areas where there is a lot of immigration (internal or external). People who aren't tied to communities are more likely to break ultimate taboos...

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Isn't that a back translation since Daniels doesn't speak Polish?

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EXACTOMUNDO!!!!!!

School shootings are a symptom of a bigger problem, and more restrictive gun laws are treating the symptom not the underlying problem which is not gun ownership per se.

Treat the symptom and the problem will emerge elsewhere in a possibly even uglier form.

Genealogy / Polish looks? - part 2 [81]

There aren't really clear genetic dividing lines (AFAIK) between Jews, Germans, Poles and Ukrainians. The language and culture lines are a lot clearer.

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Not really, the reason that confederate symbolism never used crosses was not to offend Jewish confederates (the US south has always been very Jewish friendly overall, although they get almost nothing but contempt in returtn).

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Number one rule of gun safety: Don't arm someone who won't shoot if necessary.

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there is also a jewish connection more often than not but no one wants to notice that particular aspect....

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No, you make sure your children are properly educated about them, locking them away just creates mystique and makes kids want to find and play with them.


What a timid approach to life and its dangers...

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Maybe not, but then you have to go back in time 100 years or so to make sure they were never necessary.... and assume there would be no black market in guns... both of which ideas seem a bit far fetched.

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No, but..... one reason they were there was because it was kind of possible for a while (my father had made some very scary local enemies and there was a touch of intimidation here or there...) but they were mostly for recreation.

And a cousin in the countryside (way out in the boonies) did use a rifle once to make sure some unsavory characters who drove up in the middle of the night were. not. welcome. and best move on now. He mostly used his guns for hunting though (wild turkey and deer mostly and yes, it got et up.)

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That's the real problem. I've never owned a gun and never wanted one, but I grew up with guns all over the place (big gun cabinet in the living room) and there was no gun crime or accidents.

It's not the guns, it's the people. Grabbing guns doesn't get to the root of the problem which is a lot of work. One problem with the Parkland case was supposedly that the US schools are afraid of disparate impact charges (look up disparate impact, it's the stupidest idea ever!) and so they hushed up how broken and dangerous Cruz (hispanic name!) might be...

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Over half of those will be suicides, and a large percentage of the rest are gang members. Get me figures that control for those two factors and we'll talk.

Or we won't, you'll never convince a majority of the American electorate that private citizens owning firearms is a serious problem.

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And get yourself impeached for violating the constitution you swore to uphold during your inauguration? Americans think of the constitution almost like a holy text (unlike any country in europe where constitutions come and go and don't engender much loyalty)

The constitution can be changed (and has been 25 times or so) but there's no political support for a repealing the 2nd amendment so a president actually can't do much (Obama couldn't...)

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No. This is one of those big cultural gulfs between the USA and Europe. USAns don't regard their society as violent or lawless*. And the founding documents make it very difficult for the government to enact the kind of de-arming program against the citizenry that Europeans like.

And past experience (with legislative mission creep) makes a significant minority (maybe a small majority) unwilling to countenance any restriction.

Given the size of the population gun violence rates are pretty low and factor out suicides and gang on gang violence (leaving in collateral damage) they're very low. There's simply no political will in the US to reduce rates even further... it's too risky.

And... even urban liberals don't much care about most gun owners. They're worried about urban gang (almost enitrely NAM) violence but they can't say "disarm the black and hispanic gangs (that are actually a danger to the citizenry)" so they jump on the peaceable responsible gun owners (a safe political target).

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It's in the constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to change and those aren't easy to pull off.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution

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For an American it's shocking that a person in a highly developed and ostensibly civilized country is so resigned to leaving questions of personal security entirely to the state...

It's the kind of lack of survival instinct that led a bunch of placid Swedes to simply watch Anna Lindh being murdered without trying to intervene

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Isn't it though?


that is a problem but no one wants to address it because it's politically too sensitive (for racial reasons)

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It's not guns, it's people. America produces too many crazy people and crazy people and guns are not a good combo. When you control for drug gang murders and suicide gun crime rates in the US are actually astonishingly low if at times spectacularly insane.