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POLISH AND RUSSIAN FRIENDSHIP WILL LAST FOREVER


Ktos 17 | 456
24 Jan 2018  #1
We Polish share a very long history with our Russian friends,it goes back as far as 6000 years where it is difficult to trace most origins, however, it is known that at that time Slavic people existed in the region of what is Eastern and Central Europe (before the split - some Slavs going south) and that people of the Ural Mountains, the Neo-Danubian type (Slavic type) gorale (mountain people) existed before Jews, Celts, Britons or Romans, for some tens of thousands of years, right in the heart of Europe. We, the Slavic people, are the ultimate Europeans and however different we are from each other now spread out among different countries we still share similarities only unique to Slavic people. So lets celebrate our sacred Slavic unity, Russians and Polish together!
jon357 63 | 14,122
24 Jan 2018  #2
In Poland, people loathe Russia. Which country did you say you lived in?
Crow 137 | 7,585
24 Jan 2018  #3
Priorities shifted. In Poland, right now, people loathe EU.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
24 Jan 2018  #4
That doesn't mean they like Russia. Not liking the EU or even the USA does not mean being pro-Russian, or vice versa.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
24 Jan 2018  #5
@jon357

According to the following media like Polsat (Jewish media), TVN (American media, shareholders suspected of being Jewish), GW (Jewish media), WP (Polish media serving the West, namely EU and USA), Onet (German-Swiss media, shareholders suspected of being Jewish) Polish loathe Russia. These are not Polish media, it is media with specific agenda hell bent on bending the truth in order to portray Russia as the enemy of Poland. You are part of that agenda.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 462
24 Jan 2018  #6
oh, you and Crow could have your own subforum here.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
24 Jan 2018  #7
@WielkiPolak

People don't like Russia because there are voices that make sure that we perpetuate and main intensified hatred towards Russia. These same voices have been working hard to ensure that we pardon Germans and even take the blame for WWII atrocities and that we forget what else Germans did to Poland.
Crow 137 | 7,585
24 Jan 2018  #8
Pax Vobiscum
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
24 Jan 2018  #9
These are not Polish media

Yeah because the Polish media just loves Russia right? Gazeta Polska does nothing but praise Russia all day? Get real. The truth is most sides of the media in Poland are quite anti Russian [even if for different reasons]. It is probably one of the few things they can agree on - that Russia is bad. Although there are of course still some commie politicians and members of the media who have sympathies towards Russia, but not many.
Crnogorac3 1 | 357
24 Jan 2018  #10
@Veliki Poljak

90% of the mainstream media in Poland is in the hands of foreigners (mostly German companies - and we all know who is in charge of those multinational corporations). This is a very sensitive issue and an area where a foreign factor is not only unwanted but in reality represents a "CORPUS STRANIERUM" (foreign body) in Poland.

I too believe that this so-called "Russian threat" is greatly over-exaggerated by these media outlets, its purpose: to keep the Polish public in a state of constant fear and anxiety so that they would then in turn be manipulated to cast their votes for those parties that would surrender more and more Polish sovereignty to the EU & Brussels.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
24 Jan 2018  #11
its purpose: to keep the Polish public in a state of constant fear and anxiety

But the main public media outlet in Poland [TVP] isn't constantly harping on about Russia. If anything, they are having a go at the EU, and are certainly not trying to convince anyone to vote for anything that would surrender more power to the EU.

I don't watch a whole load of TVN, Polsat, read GW etc. but I've never known them to be particularly anti-Russian. In fact, if anything, GW is seen as more of an anti-Polish commie rag.
Lyzko 22 | 6,518
24 Jan 2018  #12
@jon, politics makes strange bedfellows. Yesterday's sworn "enemy" is today's best "friend"LOL

@ktos, The Chinese have an even older civilization than the Egyptians, much less the ancient Slavs:-)
kaprys 2 | 1,784
24 Jan 2018  #13
@Ktos
Just out of curiosity. What about Russian Jews? There are quite a lot of Jews in Russia. What if they control Russia, to? O_o
Crnogorac3 1 | 357
24 Jan 2018  #14
The Rise of Putin and The Fall of The Russian-Jewish Oligarchs

youtu.be/Q2Cl8lSv9Is

youtu.be/x2nNtynZAiI

This is how they ended up.
kaprys 2 | 1,784
24 Jan 2018  #15
ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4587086,00.html

The videos are from 2013 and my link is from 2014.
My point is that it's really easy to accuse other countries of propaganda, or Jews of pretty much everything.
Wulkan - | 3,251
24 Jan 2018  #16
In Poland, people loathe Russia

Nope, Poland is not the country of haters.
Crow 137 | 7,585
24 Jan 2018  #17
To us Serbians, Polish neutral stance on Russia is enough. Its maybe even better then love and irrationality that follow love. Yes, with neutrality, we can do business. For we need peace between Poles and Russians in order to prevent meddling of hostile foreigners in our own projects.

Then, we will discuss technical details, my Polish and Russian brothers, one day. One problem at a time. For you are both sinners in the eyes of the Serbians. No, not for your Christian ways. Because you turned back to Svetovid while, see, Christianity and Svetovid goes hand in hand, quite nicely.
Lyzko 22 | 6,518
24 Jan 2018  #18
Until rather recently, I believe that Jews during the days of the Soviet Union had no Russian nationality so to speak, but instead, were treated to a nice big "Z" atop their travel documents such as their passport, in order to identify them as "Jewish" (Zyd), and not "Russian".

Such is not uncommon in any number of European countries!. Approx. ten years ago when I was teaching English to a group of Polish university students in New York at a language school near the UN, the subject of integrating foreigners came up as a discussion topic. One woman from the Catholic University of Lublin where she was studying business management replied to my question concerning the minority status of Jews identified as such in Poland as follows.

When I asked whether she knew of any Polish-Jewish students attending the university, she paused and responded thoughtfully enough that they probably would only be in the section for foreigners, rather than Poles.

Plus ca change, n'est pas?
Bieganski 17 | 901
24 Jan 2018  #19
I believe that Jews during the days of the Soviet Union...were treated to a nice big "Z" atop their travel documents such as their passport, in order to identify them as "Jewish" (Zyd), and not "Russian".

Yes, well, exclusive membership has its privileges; so if you have it flaunt it:

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Joseph Stalin
January 12, 1931

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

Do you think Stalin's henchmen like Trotsky, Yagoda, Sverdlov, et. al. who were all directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths and outright murders of tens if not hundreds of millions of citizens across the evil Soviet empire were treated to a nice big "Z" atop their travel documents?
jon357 63 | 14,122
24 Jan 2018  #20
Jewish...Jewish...Jewish....Jewish....Jewish

That one post undermined anything else you could ever say.

What country are you from? Isn't it Australia?

My point is that it's really easy to accuse other countries of propaganda, or Jews of pretty much everything.

Yes, and some do so with relish, sadly.

Nope, Poland is not the country of haters.

And Wulky pretends there are no haters in PL, despite enthusiastically agreeing with any post written by a hater there...
kaprys 2 | 1,784
25 Jan 2018  #21
@Lyzko
So you were surprised that out of many Polish universities, Jews didn't choose the CATHOLIC University of Lublin? Aha .. ..
I'm really sorry for her. She must have had a really hard time to hide her bewilderment.
But I personally didn't know any Jewish students, either. If I met them, they didn't brag about it. I didn't know any Orthodox Christian or Protestant students either. Mostly Catholics, Yehova's Witnesses or ateists.

Polish Jews are a real minority. I know more people of half Arab than Jewish origin. I don't know the religion of the previous.

At some point people of Polish Jewish origin began to come back to Poland, she might have been referring to them when she talked about foreigners. Otherwise they're Polish citizens so stop talking anti-Polish crap again. You're making things up again.

I guess some are really into spreading anti-Polish propaganda.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2018  #22
@RubasznyRumcajs

There are more Polish sympathetic towards Russia than you think, it is not only me @WielkiPolak

Russia is neither Western nor commie, it just happened that communism became the driving political force at a given time. Before ideas of Engels and Marx took course in Russia, Russia was a capitalist nation and guess what? Western European nations still ostracised Russia. Russia is Russia, you are making cardinal mistake by stamping Russia with communist emblem. Do not forget that Russia is a powerful Christian Orthodox nation, where Its church opposed communist rule. In Poland even the Polish media is negative towards Russia because the Catholic Church always competed with the Orthodox Church. It is not because of Russian politics or because of Russians. Another reason for this lame attitude towards Russia is because we are cowards, we jump on the nations that are economically poorer - even though Russia is in fact a rich country but per capita it is poorer.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
25 Jan 2018  #23
Yes Russia is a Christian Orthodox country and I suppose Putin is actually a decent guy?

Ktos we're not talking about Russia from hundreds of years ago. I'm not saying Russia is inherently evil - but the Russia of the last 100+years is a bad country and remains so today.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2018  #24
that they probably would only be in the section for foreigners, rather than Poles.

Jews ran aristocratic circles in Poland (magnateria i szlachta), they had access to everything,they were professors at universities and so on, they lived how they wanted, what are you talking about??? When someone singles out a famous Polish as a Jew most Polish jump on that person saying that they are Polish no matter what their background. Most Polish are not like me, most Polish are extremely tolerant. I think you are thinking of your Jewish brothers who see everyone as an outsider on the basis of whether they were born Jewish or not. It is Jews who are the extreme separatists for the sake of crazily preserving their own culture, they aggressively pursue the divide between Jews and others. The woman you spoke of may have observed how Jews behave (how they separate themselves from others) and so stated the fact. If Jews behaved differently then noone would single them out as not belonging. Go back to your Jewish community and taunt fellow Jews and ask them why they are so intolerant and non-accepting of others and why they separate themselves and boast how first and foremost Jewish they are, no wonder then that even the most accepting of people will view Jews as a separate group - Jews are seen as the ones who want it that way while reaching for all positions within the society they reject - incomprehensible. Don't blame Gentiles, blame yourselves Jews.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,455
25 Jan 2018  #25
Ktosiu, you are obsessed with Jews, aren't you?

And you are obsessed with Russians, aren't you?
Atch 17 | 2,839
25 Jan 2018  #26
He is. Russian Jews therefore must have a special place in his heart. Two for the price of one. God is indeed good :D
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2018  #27
@WielkiPolak

If Russia is so bad how bad is USA or Germany then?

Russian Jews therefore must have a special place in his heart. Two for the price of one. God is indeed good :D

God is in heaven where I am right now visiting and He (sometimes She) is laughing at you right now. Anyways, It is not Russian Jews but Irish Jews who have a special place in my heart, those Jews have more freckles and I am very fond of freckles like Jane Fonda is.

If you are so jealous then I will create another thread about Polish, Russian and Irish friendship and Irish contra-contribution to Polish culture. How you say Polish-Russian friendship in Irish? I want to post my thread on Irish forum and interest people in Slavic culture. I posted here some traditional Polish and Russian dance dresses. You can post your Irish dress or undress whichever dress you choose.
sksks
25 Jan 2018  #28
Russia is not bad. I am pure Polak and grew up in the so called wonderful west usa as many of you know and was deported back from their wonderful heaven of probations, jails, prisons for touching their good ole boys cowards and white trash thst exist everywhere in their small towns of california. lol but just like the americans and west people on here, they turned it into somehting else just like those people do to tarnish my name on here. thats how they operate thats how their brain works. just recently they bumped an old threat I posted in how their countrymen (cops, beureticians) teisted my sentencing to falsify my last arrest and deportsrion reason and started a lotical hogwash their imbred countrymen are known for and started turning the topic into talking about prisons in poland and people treated based on diff crimes theyw ere sent for. all i was sent for was choking out a cultist and drug pusher and a man who makes kids to live off their government through welfare cheaply named raphael luciano, yet these cowards on this forum and their country called amerikkka tried to teist it again. dont believe their hogwash, russians, fifht them and do it hard destroy everyhting their cowardice stands for. russia is back and hopeuflly we polaks real polak polaks can become part of the emoire again like we were before ww1.
Lyzko 22 | 6,518
25 Jan 2018  #29
@kaprys,

You make a good point! Indeed, the young woman in question doubtless had never met any Jews prior, Polish born or otherwise, therefore, was more than slightly flustered by my question, NOT by my English, as hers was frankly just about perfect, if I do say so myself!

@Bieganski,

I take it you're just be sarky as usualisLOL

@ktos,

Jews were seen as a threat, this is true! Having been excluded from gentile society on the whole, it was both human as well as completely natural, that they too would seek their "place" with that society, having to fight the majority culture pushing them back every step of the way.....unless of course, it was felt that certain "Jewish skills" were needed.

Guess though, as an American, if people are born in a country (despite the national origin of their immediate ancestors), go to primary school up through university there, are raised SOLELY in the national language, even if they might know the language of their parents, adopt the mores and are even allowed to serve in the military, are basically indistinguishable from the rest of the majority, duhhh now, I guess that makes them European nationals. Seems a no brainer, don;t you think?

Suppose other nationalities see things differently.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
26 Jan 2018  #30
This is a thread about Polish and Russians not Juice. But since you are so fixated on Ewws then fine. Jews were never excluded from Polish society, Jews are the ones separating themselves from societies they live in by refusing to assimilate and abandon Jewish identity as a prime identity and yet trying to control the said society from any top position possible, this is not just mere control by separatists, this a clear invasion, but of a different less obvious kind, but invasion nevertheless. Nations over the world had a very good reason to feel threatened by Jews, and Jews behaved like invaders without caring what others thought of felt. Jews have themselves to blame for most of the negative attitudes towards them. Unfortunately, stupid Poland treated and continues to treat Juice kindly.

Now, back to the topic. I reference to the above both Russians and Polish welcomed Jews and both treated them well with Russians even giving a way a large chunk of its territory to Jews to live in and reign on their own. This is the Slavic hospitality, we treat strangers well, sometimes better than ourselves. We share this trait with Russians. We share much more, it is time to talk more about our similarities than differences, for, the former has been an exhausted topic to the death.


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