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My point is that what johnny_reb keeps claiming about only Poland getting this or that isn't true. He wrote that "Trump gave Poland the latest technology in equipment and training that no other country was offered." That's simply not the case. I don't know what is the point of him making such claims.
Also, Poland has been buying American military equipment not only under Trump, but also under Biden and other American presidents. So Trump just continues what other American administrations were doing - allowing an ally buy their military stuff. As I wrote - I'm just setting the record straight.


No, it isn't "irrelevant", because it isn't true. If the truth isn't relevant for you then that's a problem.


Then why won't he just write that instead of lying about it?

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But you did - here:

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-karol-nawrocki-new-president-88922/4/#msg2030725


Ah, so you're talking out of your ass :D


When Poland wasn't even in NATO yet - American elite special forces were training and sharing their tactics and equipment with Poles :)


Poland, Japan, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and the Czech Republic, "as well as other NATO countries that leverage the WGS system when needed".

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@johnny reb, again, Poland isn't getting any "cutting edge weapons" from the US "for free", so what are you talking about?


I will gladly say "Thank you" to any American president who contributes to the security of Poland, including Joe Biden :) who in 2022 announced that the first permanent American garrison would appear in Poland and he kept his word. It's in Poznań and it's called Camp Kościuszko. Poland has been asking for American permanent presence on Polish soil for years. Mariusz Błaszczak, the Minister of National Defence during the PiS rule, called it "a historical moment" back then.


I'm really curious then what kind of "latest technology in equipment and training" Trump gave Poland that no other country on this planet was offered :) Could you name those things? Because all of what you mentioned earlier (Abram tanks, F-35 fighter jets, Apache and Black Hawk helicopters, HIMAR rocket launchers and Patriot missile systems) are in possession of quite a few other countries, not only Poland.


You must know something that I don't then, because I am not aware of any "advanced cutting edge weaponry the United States protects and keeps for itself" which the US would share only with Poland.


Don't get me wrong, I am (and probably majority of Poles) very thankful for what the US did for Poland for years* (and not just one president). I'm just setting the record straight - there's a number of countries that have the same American military equipment that Poland got and it isn't thanks to just one American president.

*For example, I don't know if you're aware, but Polish GROM special forces unit was basically built from scratch with the help/training provided by the British and American special forces. And that happened already in the 1990's. There's even an alley at the GROM base in Warsaw named after one of the Delta instructors who trained the very first GROM snipers :)

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@amiga500, I hope it's a joke... lol 😳😂

So were you or were you not born in Australia?

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I didn't follow that thread and didn't see your comments.
How is my question "dumb" though? You live in Australia, don't you? And judging by your poor level of Polish I assumed that you were born in Australia. Weren't you? 🤨

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@amiga500, "our new president"? Do you have the right to vote in Polish elections?


Um... I will believe it when I see it... lol

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Ah, so PiS decided to make it even worse and create unprecedented problem of "legal dualism" in Poland? That was supposed to be that "good change"? lol Completely taking TVP over and changing it into something on the level of RuSSian state TV - that was OK, according to you? Taking over and trying to shut down independent media? That was supposed to be that "good change"? PiS has authoritarian tendencies and that's been hurting the state of democracy in Poland on a scale that I haven't seen since the fall of communism.


I really doubt it - there's no legal reason for that - Nawrocki wasn't somehow nominated by PiS as the president against the law - he was elected by the people. So his vetoes will be legal. End of story.


I don't know about that - Bobko was defending his hooligan past, so I'm guessing he prefers Nawrocki over Trzaskowski. 🤔

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If you're talking about Dariusz Barski then according to the Ministry of Justice he was appointed by his buddy Ziobro illegally, so... I guess you could say he wasn't the national prosecutor in the first place.


What "numerous times"?
As for TVP - I was against that and I wrote about it on the forum. I'm afraid that's the new "quality" that PiS has introduced into Polish politics - they started breaking the law and Constitution from the very beginning of their rule in 2015, even passing bills under the cover of the night - hoping that noone will notice or care. You didn't complain back then, did you? Now, I'm afraid, we're all reaping what was sown by PiS back then.

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@amiga500, you are talking complete bollocks lol


They will say no such thing lol :))) You seem to be really detached from Polish reality over there in Australia or you're projecting your PiS mentality on others.


What are you even talking about? lol You can't "quietly" pass bills if the president vetos them - they simply don't become the law. That's it. End of story. 🤨


Nah, you don't know that. Nobody knows what will happen in two years time.

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@amiga500, nothing in that quote says that the government will be somehow ignoring presidential vetos. It's not legally possible, so what are you on about? lol


It means that they will continue working as they did under Duda - that's all. Did they ignore any presidential vetos during Duda's rule? No. So get a grip lol

🙄🤦

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Eh? What on Earth are you talking about?

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That Fort Trump doesn't exist though:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Trump


I am not aware of Trump "giving" anything to Poland (for free). As I wrote Poland has been buying American military equipment for years (including under Biden). So what changed exactly?


This has been happening for years.


Besides Israel? lol (and probably some others)

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I'm not sure if the "vote of confidence" is a good idea though? What's that for in the current situation? It is an elected government, they have the right to rule - I don't think anyone contests that. 🤨

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Yes, Mr Tusk, thank you - you are a fighter, I applaud that! :))):

wiadomosci.wp.pl/specjalne-wystapienie-tuska-po-wyborach-7163425305823936a

Never give up! ❤️🇵🇱👍💪

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@johnny reb, how did Trump help? What did he do any differently in terms of helping the Polish military than all the previous American presidents did? Poland has had good relations with the US since the fall of communism and we've been buying American military equipment for years. So what has changed under Trump, according to you? (It's a genuine question, because maybe there's something I don't know about.)

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@johnny reb, it wasn't Trump who helped "Poland become the most powerful military in Europe". It was Polish governments' decisions and Polish society's support for those decisions. And those were mainly a result of RuSSia's invasion of Ukraine.


Me too, but Trump didn't have anything to do with Poland's success as a country o_O

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@johnny reb, we may not like it, but we did accept the election results - unlike PiS we don't claim that elections were rigged/falsified whenever our party loses any elections :)))

Btw, I see only one plus side of Nawrocki winning - he's going to be the one who will have to kiss Trump's ass lol 🤮 May God help us survive Trump's and Nawrocki's rule... ;/

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@johnny reb, the Conservatives are not in control in Poland. The Polish government is a coalition of liberal, centrist and left-wing parties. The government rules in Poland. The Polish president can pretty much only block bills. So it's a "stalemate".


I'm not sure what you mean by "Wokies". Anty-PiS people are definitely not a minority in Poland. Nawrocki won by a very small margin - those are the official Polish presidential election results:

Nawrocki: 50.89%
Trzaskowski: 49.11%

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From what I've read - Sikorski made a reservation for him and Trzaskowski at that Mentzen pub, so it looks like that meeting with Mentzen took place thanks to Sikorski. He clearly is smart and is showing initiative.

He's also viewed as the best minister in the current government according to a survey from the end of December 2024: 🤔

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The first time he lost also with very small margin and PiS was on the winning streak back then.
I think they picked Trzaskowski as a "likeable candidate", since so far Poles did tend to choose "likeable" people for presidents (that ended with Nawrocki, it seems). And of course he is a known face thanks to being the mayor of the capital of the country (and Warsaw is doing well as a city). His English is very good, he's presentable, behaves normal/well.
Trzaskowski's drawbacks, imho, are that he lacks charisma, and, at least to me - he looks tired/depressed all the time. He seems a bit "ciapowaty".
Sikorski definitely isn't "ciapowaty", but had his drawbacks too as a presidential candidate for the coalition. He made some blunders (thanking the US for blowing up Nord Stream), so maybe they feared he's going to be unpredictable i znowu coś palnie. Maybe they also thought that he's going to be too right-wing/hawkish for the more liberal side of the coalition, I don't know. I think it's easy to judge now after the fact. Maybe he would be a better candidate to deal with Nawrocki, but we don't really know if it would be enough to win. I personally have no idea.


Don't be silly. Tusk isn't finished. You sound as if Nawrocki won by a landslide. He didn't. It was very close. Of course, it's disappointing that Trzaskowski lost, but I doubt it's just about who was the candidate for the president or who is the prime minister. It's also (or maybe mainly) about policies, etc. The coalition should draw conclusions from what happened, do some research about why certain groups voted the way they did (young people, farmers, for example) and prepare for parliamentary elections with that in mind.
As for Kosiniak-Kamysz - he has literally zero charisma and is even more "ciapowaty" than Trzaskowski and PSL isn't exactly respected much by people in Poland in general, from what I've noticed, so I don't see how or why he would become the prime minister o_O


I see you're too narrow-minded to comprehend that there are people in Poland that have different views, and so, no, Tusk doesn't need "dirty campaigning and lies and huge support from abroad" to get people voting for him.

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I'm afraid Bobko may be right here. I see this evolving in Poland and it's depressing...


I wonder what will be the end of this though...


Yes, Poland is literally split in half these days.


This is the weirdest sh1t ever... o_O

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Yes, yes, "genius", beating people up is illegal in Poland, because women have the right to vote :D Don't stop there and admit that you can't legally assist suicide and rape kids in Poland also thanks to women's right to vote :D 😂🤦 No freedom in this country, seriously... lol 🙄


What does it have to do with the subject matter? Polish football hooligans are the topic here and not the world's skinhead and punk movement.


I don't even know what this means...

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Of course it was illegal lol That's why people got arrested in 2009.


Not in Poland, stupid.

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Sorry, Bobko, but, again, we're talking about Poland here... When I was a kid in the 90's that's what we were calling neo-Nazis ("skini")... So I don't know what kind of views Kania had at that time...

Apparently there were three groups of skinheads in Poland - one of them were neo-Nazis:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead


Polish police (and probably majority of normal people in Poland) would beg to differ :)))


That's the thing, it looks like it took Nawrocki a long time to grow out of it (if he ever did).


We're not talking about the world's football hooligans now though, but about Polish football hooligans in particular:

ruj.uj.edu.pl/entities/publication/db0710dc-ecc5-4d6f-a8d6-68c7a90799ef

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He also mentioned that the PiS' presidential candidate took part in the biggest such fight in the recorded history of Polish hooliganism. It wasn't such a "noble fight" as Nawrocki would want people to believe:

tvn24.pl/trojmiasto/koscierzyna-szczegoly-brutalnej-bijatyki-pseudokibicow-mial-brac-w-niej-udzial-karol-nawrocki-st8484880

And that wasn't some kind of "mistake of the early youth" - Nawrocki at that time was 26-years-old, married, studying for his doctorate and... working at IPN already... while taking part in illegal fights alongside real criminals.


I don't think Kania is defending and glorifying neo-Nazism and criminal acts these days though? And he is not running for the office of the president of Poland.


LOL!

Bobko :D I'm honestly not surprised that someone like you is defending pathology :) Taking drugs, hools' fights... What are you going to be defending next? lol 🙄🤦

May I introduce you to some of those "interesting" people:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/WP-Nawrocki-bral-udzial-w-jednej-z-najslynniejszych-kibolskich-ustawek-w-Polsce-8947485.html

'The leader of this group was Mirosław "Olaf" O. and his deputy was Przemysław "Żaba" Ż. "Both of them were later sentenced for being part of an organised criminal group that was setting up hooligans' fights and was involved in drug trade. The Lech group was taken down by CBŚP already four months after the fight - the portal informs. In the group of Lech Gdańsk there was Olgierd L. - arrested these days for arson incitement, illegal gun trade, criminal battery incitement and Daniel U. aka "Dzidek". The portal informs that "Dzidek" was sentenced in 2023 for 15 years in prison for a brutal murder of a teenager in Kraków with the use of a machete. Earlier he also took part, among others, in a brutal attack on a GKS Katowice hooligan.'

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In this video a former Polish police officer is criticising president Duda for "normalising pathology" in his comment about football hooligans' fights (the so called "kibolskie ustawki"):



The former cop reminds that those fights are illegal and explains that those are often fights for influence among organised crime groups. For those who don't know - football hooligans often create criminal groups (Polish equivalent of gangs, I guess) that are involved in all kinds of crimes, including drug trade, human trafficking, etc.

Police officers have been complaining that Polish filmmakers are glamorizing "gangsta life" in recent years and now this... The Polish president and one of two main presidential candidates... 🤦


According to Polish polls in recent days Trzaskowski and Nawrocki have been exchanging as leaders with very small advantage. It's a very tight race... Those polls are going to give me a heart attack lol ;/

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Firstly, no, they weren't and most definitely 99.99% of things aren't made by men these days.
Secondly, 100% of men were and are being made by women. Your body exists because it was literally built and fed by a woman's body. Also, majority of men in this world were and are being taken care of and raised by women.

And you, Novichok, instead of appreciating women for that, you deride them, put them down, demean them, lie about them and you're hating on them. You and Poloniusz haven't deserved to be birthed by a woman.


Firstly, that's a minority of women. Secondly, men these days get all kinds of "beauty enhancements" too and they "pose for clicks" too. Don't make me show you examples of that lol

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No, because that's not his fault and he made his views known on this matter:

gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/artykuly/9786995,debata-prezydencka-trzaskowski-jestem-za-prawem-do-aborcji-do-12-tygodnia.html


I think anyone who knows anything about Polish politics understands that they wouldn't be able to roll back those restrictions as long as there's a PiS president in Poland. That's one of the reasons why we need Trzaskowski to win.

They could've at least organise a referendum about abortion - I don't know if it will hurt Trzaskowski at the ballot box or not that they didn't though.


Yes, this.

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@Przelotnyptak1, who are you ranting to? :D


In that messed up world in your head lol


What? lol