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Paulina   
22 Dec 2014
History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

According to non-interested sources both before and after WWII it was a concentration camp.

I'm not sure how this would contradict a statement that it was a camp for political prisoners? After all, mainly political prisoners were sent there.

German concentration camps were initially created to hold political opponents and union organizers, so what's your problem?
Although I must say that when I think of the term "concentration camp" I usually think of some mass of people imprisoned based on nationality, race, like the concentration camps used by the U.S. against Native Americans and by the British in the Second Boer War and, and, of course, by the Nazis for Jews.

You seem to miss the fact that Hughey's grandfather wasn't in BK

Then were was he? And how do you know he wasn't?

(or that a lot of people who were officially there for one thing were in reality there for quite another thing).

Meaning?

He's quite unlikely to have been ONR

Probably you're right, if what he meant by "before the German invasion" was 1939 and the guy was held in Bereza Kartuska (ONR members were detained up to 1935). But if he was held in Bereza Kartuska he could still be just an ordinary criminal.
Paulina   
22 Dec 2014
History / Polish conscripts to German army [132]

right down to the concentration camp at Bereza Kartuska that some Poles still insist was just a "seclusion camp"

Bereza Kartuska camp was a camp for political prisoners.
"Prisoners included members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Polish Communist Party (KPP) and National Radical Camp (ONR), as well as members of the People's Party (SL) and Polish Socialist Party (PPS). The detainees included Bolesław Piasecki and, for some dozen days, the journalist Stanisław Mackiewicz (the latter, paradoxically, a warm supporter of the prison's establishment). Also a number of Belarusians who had resisted Polonization found themselves in the camp.

The first inmates - Polish ONR activists - arrived on July 17, 1934. A few days later, OUN activists arrived: Roman Shukhevych, Dmytro Hrytsai and Volodymyr Yaniv.By August 1939, Ukrainians constituted 17 percent of prisoners."

If Hughey is interested he can read the rest here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereza_Kartuska_prison#Inmates

Got to say that there's a lot to like about the sound of your grandfather.

Unless he was a member of ONR, imho :)

in other words he was most probably a good bloke

Or an ordinary criminal (55% of inmates in 1938 and 41% in 1939) or financial criminal (6% of inmates in 1939).
Paulina   
7 Dec 2014
Life / Which nations do Poles like the most / the least? [150]

We had come to think there were none left in Poland.

None? Seriously? lol InWroclaw, how long have you been living in Poland?

Also, some of my friends from school are Jewish.

I also had a Jewish classmate in my highschool and my other classmates seemed completely oblivious to the fact that he was Jewish and treated him as one of the classmates, nothing more, nothing less (btw, he's not only Jewish, but also a gay and a Catholic, imagine that ;)). His mother is a lecturer, as far as I can remember, and his father is a sculptor (he made a sculpture that was my city's gift for John Paul II) so they seemed to me like a pretty well established family here in Kielce.

She sometimes teaches me Hebrew, but apparently I'm not talented :/

Well, your English is great, especially for a teenager, I would say :)
Paulina   
8 Nov 2014
Genealogy / Woloczyn or Wolosczyn: Am I Polish? Help [22]

Hi ! My families last name is spelled Woloszyn.

Judging from what I've read the suffix -szyn could indicate a matronymic surname of Western Ukrainian origin, I guess.
Source:
nadbuhom.pl/art_2545.html

My translation:

"In Podlasie area equally rare are surnames with matronymic suffix -iszyn, -yszyn (-ишин), which (just as those ending with -uk) come from Western Ukraine. They were created from vernacular nicknames given to married women - Jurczyszyn - son of Jurszczycha, Jurij's wife."

You last name is perfectly Russian. There were plenty of Voloshins through out Russian history.

I wonder, is it possible that it's of Ukrainian origin? After all, there are plenty of people with Ukrainian roots in Russia ;) (or so I was told)
Paulina   
7 Nov 2014
Language / Ethnic backround of suffixes of Polish surnames [54]

I was inspired by some comments in one of the threads to make a general thread on this topic. I'm no expert on surnames so maybe some other people will join in and share their knowledge (or I will add something later), but I can provide some basic info.

The most common suffix in Poland and considered typically Polish is, of course, the suffix -ski.
The most common Polish surname with this suffix (and the second most common of all Polish surnames after surname "Nowak") is "Kowalski" and its English equivalent is the surname "Smith".

Other suffixes in this group are -cki and -dzki.
(Btw, suffixes similar to Polish -ski can be found also in Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Czech and Macedonian surnames).

Now I'd like to write a bit about the suffix -owicz since Nickidewbear wrote something that I was also explained once - one Russian guy wrote that surnames ending in -ovich are surnames of Jews coming from the Belarus and Ukraine area. But he also claimed that all of the liberal opposition in Russia consists of Jews lol or that most of the members of NKVD were Jewish, so, you know, I've decided to check it myself :)

So, the suffix -owicz isn't typically Jewish. Jews lived in a multicultural territory and their surnames were often getting suffixes used in the area they inhabited, apparently.

From what I've read suffixes like -icz, -owicz, -ewicz denote Eastern origin, namely - Ukraine or Belarus.

They were often connected to a father's first name (so it was a kind of "son of" - example in today's Poland - a Polish MP, Krystyna Pawłowicz). So yes, someone with the surname ending with -owicz could be Jewish, but not necessarily. If your surname has the suffix -owicz you may very well have Tatar roots like, for example, a Polish sculptress Magdalena Abakanowicz, who's father, Konstanty Abakanowicz, came from a Polonized Tatar family.

But it could also denote Armenian roots, examples of such surnames with Armenian backround: Agopsowicz, Awedykowicz, Axentowicz, Isakowicz, Torosowicz (example in Poland nowadays: a priest of the Catholic Church and the Armenian Catholic Church, father Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zalewski).

Robert Makłowicz, a Polish journalist and culinary critic, has, among others, Armenian and Ukrainian roots.

Or you could have Lemko roots (Mankowicz, Pankowicz).

From what I've read even the biblical root of the surname can be confusing because Armenians and Tatars were using them too.

Other typical suffixes of the Ukrainian group are -uk, -czuk (Andrzejuk, Antoniuk, Chilimoniuk, Filipiuk, Grygoruk, Jasiuk, Kononiuk, £ukaszuk, Pawluczuk, Pietruczuk). Example: a Polish singer Maciej Maleńczuk, a Polish writer Olga Tokarczuk.

Also, for example: -on, -enko (for example: Tymoszenko, Poroszenko in Ukraine), -czenko (Iwanczenko, Pawluczenko), -iszyn, -yszyn (coming from Western Ukraine, example of such surname in Poland: a Polish MP Joanna Senyszyn).

The most common Belarusian suffixes (at least in Podlasie area in Poland, I guess):
-icz, -wicz (Alfierowicz), -ski, -cki (Błahuszewski, Lewoniewski), -ko (Aniśko, Chwiećko, Mojsiuszko, Panasko, Rećko), -ejko (Dubiejko, Guziejko, Litwiejko, Siergiejko), -uszko (Klimuszko, Popiełuszko), -ik (Aksiucik, Auchimik, Dzienisik, Hawrylik, Himik, Hościk, Kondrusik, Wojciulik), -uć (Gryguć, Trypuć), -ul (Kiercul, Szczesiul, Taudul), -un (Brechun, Ciesiun), -enia (Bielenia, Hajduczenia, Jurczenia), and also -yk (Aluszyk, Amielanczyk) and -uk (Ciwoniuk, Hanczaruk).

Famous surnames of Belarusian origin are, for example: Sapieha, Mickiewicz, Sienkiewicz, Iwaszkiewicz, Bartosiewicz, Kościuszko, Moniuszko.

Suffixes of Lithuanian origin are, for example: -as, -us, -is (examples in Poland: a Polish sociologist and political scientist Jadwiga Staniszkis, a Polish actress Maria Pakulnis).

Surnames of Russian origin usually end with -ow, -ew, -jew, -iew, -in (Pushkin, Putin - in Russia). But there are apparently exceptions from this rule, for example, Grzegorz Miecugow, a Polish journalist, is of Armenian-Georgian origin.

Examples of suffixes of Jewish origin: -owicz, -sztajn, -stein, -er, -man, -berg, -el, -baum (examples in Poland: a Polish journalist Seweryn Blumsztajn, a Polish journalist Bronisław Wildstein, a Polish film director Jerzy Hoffman, etc.) Of course there are people of Jewish origin with surnames ending in -ski too.

So, as you can see, the surname or its suffix alone may not be enough to find out what exactly is your ethnic backround, often you have to dig a little deeper :)

One of our certificates of belonging to the national or ethnic communities are without a doubt the names. As far as first names are changing constantly, even under the influence of seasonal fashion, the name remains a more durable element that indicates the origin of a person or his ancestors. It often happens that the owner did not realize the connection between the name and his own origin.

Sources:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polskie_nazwiska
nadbuhom.pl/art_2545.html
Paulina   
30 Oct 2014
History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [120]

Americans? What does it have to do with them?
Btw, Poland was also promoting Ukraine's candidacy.
As for "Erdogan turning Turkey into an islamist state" - read what Sikorski said in the link you posted.
Paulina   
30 Oct 2014
History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [120]

We have to subtract the years of the partitions, I assume?

Haha, TheOther, I knew you'd write this :)
The Ottoman Empire was the only state, apart from Switzerland apparently, that didn't officially recognise the partitions of Poland and its disappearance from the map of Europe.

There was a reason behind the invitation from Turkey, of course:

So? As I wrote, Turkey clearly isn't a mortal enemy of Poland and vice versa... :)
Paulina   
29 Oct 2014
History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [120]

Turkey is mortal enemy of Poland.

LOL

Crow, you're clueless about Poland as always :) This year Polish president was on a two day visit with his wife in Turkey to celebrate the 600th anniversary of diplomatic relations and the 315th anniversary of continuous peace between Poland and Turkey.
Paulina   
25 Oct 2014
Language / Polish pet names [40]

OK, Tom, send it to me, I'll take a look.
Paulina   
21 Oct 2014
Language / Polish pet names [40]

I thought that it was only for lovers and mothers to use..... would there be a specific diminutive of her name mostly reserved for a boyfriend/lover/husband?

No, Insomnia is right.

Btw, to be honest "Paulinka" sounds a bit childish (at least to me), usually only my aunts call me like this lol (except for the one that calls me "Paula"). My female cousins, who are younger than me, call me "Pauliś" (in case you would like to use something even more diminutive and familiar than "Paulinka") ;)

usually only my aunts call me like this lol

And my uncles (sorry, I forgot about them lol).
Paulina   
11 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

Sure, why would they need to? Same goes for any other nation that has not done anything bad to Poland

Szalawa, I was simply summarising the info from the articles I provided. You wrote that "there must be a reason for" the fact that Poles dislike Romanians and I've explained that there aren't really any real reasons for this dislike, only misconceptions, stereotypes and usually lack of knowledge too.

So I guess we can end the topic of Romania and Romanians already? :)
Paulina   
11 Oct 2014
Life / Help me find this Polish band and song.... [117]

Maybe it's this one:

janbrzechwa.w.interia.pl/stobajek/zuk.html

Do biedronki przyszedł żuk,
W okieneczko puk-puk-puk.

Panieneczka widzi żuka:
"Czego pan tu u mnie szuka?"
Paulina   
11 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

Well in this way you must separate the nation from the state

Why? I simply wrote that Romania as a state never did anything bad to Poland. You called this statement false, although it wasn't. That's all.
Paulina   
11 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

This statement is false. Romanians did invade Poland in the 'Deluge' with Sweden

It isn't "false", since Romania didn't exist back then and I wrote about Romania, not Romanians. It was the historical Principality of Moldavia that took part in the Deluge.
Paulina   
10 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

No, she was one of those racist white power type people,

Then why were you writing that it's "maybe because Romanian is Latin culture", if you knew she was like that? There are "those racist white power type people" in every white country, including Poland.

We are not friends anymore.

What do you mean by that? You and that woman or Poles and Romanians?

Last time I checked Romanians are one of the most disliked people in Poland, even more disliked then Russians. There must be a reason for this.

Well, yes, of course there's a reason for this lol There's usually a reason for everything in this world.
Here you have a general information concerning why Poles dislike or like certain nations:
cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2014/K_020_14.PDF

And here in more detail about why Poles (of course not all of them) dislike Romanians:

national-geographic.pl/uzytkownik/publikacje/pokaz/slawekol/dlaczego-polacy-nie-lubia-rumunow/

There is something absurd in the fact that the nation that feeds - how rare that - great sympathy for us, it is extremely rejected by the Poles. Why, because - in contrast to other nations disliked by us - it's hard to watch for any reason, real or imagined? Stereotype in the minds of the Romanian average Joe is very unfavorable. Speaking learning, mutual stereotyping of both nations: Poles and Romanians determined primarily by the memory of the communist era and the rapid social and political changes that have occurred in both countries. Romanian contemporary stereotype in Poland amounted to not under the influence of contacts with Romanians, but with the Roma / Gypsies, who arrive in this country, which changed the way of thinking about Romania in Poland. The fact that relatively recently, Poland and Romania had a common border has been obliterated in the collective memory of the two societies.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1010249,title,Rumuni-okazali-sie-duzo-lepsi-od-Polakow,wid,14914243,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=113996

We don't like Romanians - it's a fact. And we do not like them because they know little about them. For us, it still beggars and gypsies. Meanwhile, the "youngest" members of the EU proved to be a nation of hardworking, nice and well organized. In Italy more often displace us from the competition, in which, until recently, worked mainly Poles and became the largest and most influential exile community in the country.

In case of Romanians Polish antipathy isn't Romanians' fault. Romania never did anything bad to Poland (Romania didn't even recognise the partitions of Poland). This antipathy stems from misconceptions, stereotypes and prejudices. And those stem from the fact that during the 90's (and maybe later too) Poles were mixing up Romanians with the Roma people coming from Romania to Poland. Because of this confusion the very word "Rumun" (Romanian) was at that time almost a synonym of someone very poor, not very clean, looking worse for wear, begging both passively and actively (and sometimes rather aggressively), stealing, forcing little children to beg. Also, Poles knew and still know pretty much nothing about Romania, the only thing they associate it with is Gypsies, poverty, count Dracula, Ceaușescu and those who'll read an odd article in a newspaper maybe also with corruption.

The attitude toward Romanians did improve though over some years. In 1993 66% of Poles disliked Romanians and only 9% liked them. In 2014 45% dislikes them and 21% likes them.

You're right, more Poles dislike Romanians (45%) than Russians (42%). Although it can change still, since this poll was made in February and Russia managed to do a lot since then...

Russia feels that it is protecting Russians from west as they want to claim their own people.

Russia was justifying in the same way (protecting minorities) it's land grabs when it partitioned Poland together with Prussia and Austria and the occupation of then Polish territories by the Soviet Union when it partitioned Poland together with the Nazis. I have an impression that Russia always says what Russians and others want to hear when it's about to do something downright Machiavellian, tbh.

Oh, sorry, I'll give the links one more time (there should be more time for editing posts):

There is something absurd in the fact that the nation that feeds - how rare that - great sympathy for us , it is extremely rejected by the Poles . Why , because - in contrast to other nations disliked by us - it's hard to watch for any reason , real or imagined?

Romanian stereotype in the minds of average Joe is very unfavorable. Speaking learning , mutual stereotyping of both nations : Poles and Romanians determined primarily by the memory of the communist era and the rapid social and political changes that have occurred in both countries. Romanian contemporary stereotype in Poland amounted to not under the influence of contacts with Romanians , but with the Roma / Gypsies , who arrive in this country , which changed the way of thinking about Romania in Poland.

Btw, those translations under the links in my previous post aren't done by me and weren't posted by me o_O

Mods, I gave the gist of those articles in my previous post so Google translations weren't really necessary, I think ;)

Mods know better, relax:) btw. people can use google too so there's no need to post more than 1 article on the same topic.. thanks.
Paulina   
9 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

I knew a Romanian who hated Russians, its what she would talk about, while I on the other hand always defended them. Maybe because Romanian is Latin culture?

Szalawa, are you serious... lol Yes, of course, Latin people simply hate non-Latin people by default just for being non-Latin ;)
It didn't cross your mind that some ill feeling may have something to do with history and present-day relations?
If it didn't then maybe you should educate yourself:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania#Communism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania%E2%80%93Russia_relations
Paulina   
9 Oct 2014
Love / Polish women care about traditional values [40]

Sorry Pauline I meant women in general, more so those in slightly less progressive countries, not Polish women exclusively.

Not here you didn't:

It's well known Polish women are "nice" to their man all the time he's being generous financially and supporting her.

And besides, how generalising about all women is any way better? o_O

How can I be talking about myself when I have already stated I work 55 hours p/w?

Because you may be lying, for example. Maybe you're not even a woman :) This is the internet.
Paulina   
9 Oct 2014
Love / Polish women care about traditional values [40]

Are you talking about yourself? lol

And btw, EdinburghGirl, I don't know what you mean by "village-like mentality", because women in the countryside in Poland work in the field, in their gardens AND take care of the children and house, cook, clean, etc. "... shock horror....." Wow...
Paulina   
9 Oct 2014
Love / Polish women care about traditional values [40]

You're clearly very prejudiced.

This village-like mentality that most Polish women have belongs in the dark ages.

Most Polish women don't have any "village-like mentality". Most women in Poland work AND take care of the children and house, cook, do the shopping, etc. I know that for a fact because I LIVE in Poland.
Paulina   
8 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

I sincerely wish you were right.

Well, have you heard about the annual Taizé European ecumenical meetings for young adults? I was told by an Italian guy when I was on one in Hamburg that Poles are always the most numerous group (and those meetings are really big). Maybe young Russians should try those :)

You now, John Paul II was putting quite strong emphasis on ecumenism and maybe quite many Poles my age and younger were influenced by that. I guess I'm one of that "JPII generation".

It's true both ways.

What makes you think that?

They are not. You mean to say they are not as fixated as the Russians?

I don't know, I haven't discussed with Ukrainians, only with Russians. What I meant was that Poles have lots of sympathy for Ukrainians nowadays, despite the fact they aren't Catholic and Russians and Ukrainians seem to hate each other despite the fact they're Orthodox.

I'm not saying it is a problem somewhere more than elsewhere, I'm just emphasizing it's one of the separating factors, a pretty strong one.

Well, as I wrote before it is "a" factor, but I wouldn't say it's a strong one.

IAs you pointed out the Russians are fixated on this, yes I agree and many Poles are fixated on this as well.

You mean that Poles are fixated on the fact that Russians are Othodox? I must say I haven't noticed anything of this kind and I live in a very traditional, religious region of Poland (it's called the Holy Cross Province, so you can imagine :)) Authorities in my city put Ukrainian flags together with Polish ones on street lamps all the way across the main promenade in my city during the Ukraine crisis to show solidarity with the Ukraine nation. Noone seems to care that Ukrainians are Othodox :)

If you've discussed with Poles who were fixated on the fact that Russians are Orthodox, then I don't know, maybe they were right-wingers or sth?

As for the Russian "obsession" with that distinction then I suspect there may be two reasons for that. For Russians, it seems, Catholicism is a Western invention and yet another sign of "Polish betrayal" or sth, I guess :))

Another reason may be the fact that Orthodox nations are mainly constricted to one rather closed region of Europe and they are usually Slavic nations, while there are more different Catholic nations around the world and for us it's more universal and maybe that's why we don't think that it's so important whether given nation is Catholic or not.

According to CBOS polls Czechs and Slovaks are Poles' most favourite nations. Czechs are always on the first place despite the fact that they're one of the most atheistic nations in the world. Norwegians are, according to the latest poll, for some reason, on the 7th place although they're Lutherans.

I have an impression that even from the Russian perspective it's not really about religion, to be honest. What, for example, religion has to do with being "bigger brother"?

Btw, Romania is an Orthodox country - do you feel like you have a warmer attitude towards Romanians than, I don't know, to Poles or Finns or Hungarians?

Russia is not European culture.

Oh come on. I wouldn't go that far.
Paulina   
7 Oct 2014
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [871]

Might not this be that overlook it for you're an atheist?

Well, I'm religious and I agree with Wulkan.

I would think that it's nearly as important for relationship as speaking a common language.

Not really... o_O :) Of course it is a factor to some extent since Poles seem to be often more fond of Catholic nations, because they have some things in common with them. But generally people here are pretty oblivious to other Christian denominations and they don't care. I would say that Russians I've discussed with are far more fixated on the fact that Poles are Catholics and are "ruled by Vatican" etc. :) They seem to have a problem with the fact that Poles are Catholics and not the other way around...

Btw, Ukrainians aren't exactly Catholics either, are they... :)
Religion isn't the problem here...
Paulina   
24 Aug 2014
Po polsku / Ruscy sieją propagandę na polskich portalach? [29]

Gregy741, jedna polska gazeta zrobiła małe "śledztwo". Ponieważ zwróciło ich uwagę nagłe pojawienie się dużej ilości proputinowskich komentarzy dotarli do adresów IP tych komentujących, którzy twierdzili, że są Polakami i mieszkają w Polsce. Okazało się że adresy IP znajdują się w różnych miejscach na świecie, tylko nie w Polsce :)

Pewien Polak mieszkający od lat w Niemczech zauważył że zdarza się, że dokładnie te same komentarze, o identycznej treści, z tymi samymi błędami pojawiały się pod różnymi nickami pod niemieckimi artykułami. Ja też widziałam takie śmieszne rzeczy pod polskimi artykułami. To jest sztuczne tworzenie "tłumu", sprawianie wrażenia, że "dużo ludzi popiera Rosję."
Paulina   
23 Aug 2014
Po polsku / Ruscy sieją propagandę na polskich portalach? [29]

Nie wiem czy ktoś się wczytywał w komentarze na popularnych polskich serwisach (gazeta, wp, onet) ale szokująco dużo wypowiedzi jest pro-rosyjskich, nawet pod artykułami o MH17. Czy to Polacy czy Rosjanie wypisują takie farmazony? Ktoś jeszcze to zauważył?

Wszyscy zauważyli :) Przedziwny, nienaturalny wręcz wysyp prorosyjskich komentarzy. Ponoć to samo dzieje się pod niemieckimi artykułami - piszący też robią błędy w języku niemieckim. To jest po prostu zmasowana akcja propagandowa do której Rosja jest bardzo dobrze przygotowana.

Ale to nie tylko rosyjskie trolle wolontariusze (którzy często trafiają do polskich artykułów chyba dlatego, że są one tłumaczone na pewnym rosyjskim portalu i forum) i ci opłacani, pewnie jest też garstka sierot po Endecji co to nienawidzą Tuska, PO, UE i im Putin imponuje. Znam takiego jednego, więc takie cuda też są możliwe. No i oczywiście proputinowscy Rosjanie mieszkający w Polsce.
Paulina   
28 Jan 2014
Love / Questions about Polish Men - flirting, cheating, liking? [44]

Did you somehow forget that there are more than a few of us here live in Poland and have a Polish wife or partner?

No, Harry. That's a fact that foreigners (from richer countries) do attract a certain type of women (or men) in poorer countries, gold-diggers among them. Of course I'm not saying that only such women get interested in foreigners (from richer countries).

But maybe my comment was too general, not precise enough. I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else.

You're talking utter bollocks there.

No, I'm not. Remember where I live Harry and that it may be a bit different here than in Warsaw. And I'm sharing my personal observations - I'm not saying I hold a key to the whole truth about everything :) According to the survey in that article I linked to my voivodeship, świętokrzyskie, is the most faithful voivodeship in Poland lol :)

You might know what your female friends tell you (and given how insufferably sanctimonious you are, no surprise they choose to lie to you)

Harry, I'm not basing it only on what my friends tell me (and you have no idea what I'm like when I'm with my friends) but general observation of people in different situations (in my region mainly, though).

Gee, I wonder in which country it was that a man went to a brothel and found his wife working there.

What's the point of this comment of yours?
I wrote what I know and what I've observed, Harry.

As far as I remember, someone suggested on this thread that Polish people have some kind of "different values" as far as cheating is concerned than, I don't know who, the British? The rest of the world?

Do you agree with this, Harry?
Polish people are so different than the rest?
Paulina   
28 Jan 2014
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I only ask the same standards be applied to me as to any other on this forum.

Wlodzimierz, I don't think the sarcastic comment you wrote to JanMovie was justified.
Pam is right - he didn't claim his English is perfect.

I only ask the same standards be applied to me as to any other on this forum. Can you honestly say that my paultry errors in German are any "less" egregious than Jan's occasionally off sentence structure??

I didn't see TheOther being so sarcastic towards you as you were towards JanMovie...
If you wanted to draw JanMovie's attention to his errors, you could do it in a nice way. There was no reason to be nasty.

That's my opinion.
Paulina   
21 Jan 2014
Life / Do Poles have a problem understanding American English? [76]

This has commonly been referred to as a "Polish inferiority complex" by the British expats who visit this forum as well as the British-born children of the post-war Polish émigrés to the UK.

Well, I would call it modesty.

Yet these above sentences of yours seem to disclose what may well be called a "superiority complex". Will you please stop patronising other people in this rather annoying way!

I'm sorry, Ziemowit, but it's you who must have a "superiority complex" if you thought that such basic things had to be explained to people here.

Yes, yes, there's a good girl! We all know by now how talented person in languages and pronounciation you are.

What's wrong, Ziemowit? Is it getting on your nerves? :)
Because that's what Wlodzimierz is doing in almost every language thread on this forum. Do you realise that?

You are writing about it in almost every language thread.

Nope, I'm writing about it only in this thread :) And only because Wlodzimierz doubted my ability in discerning whether someone is speaking English with an accent or not and whether I can say if someone is saying "w" or "v" when speaking English lol

So I wanted him to realise that there are other people beside him who maybe have some gift of pronouncing and hearing things right :)

Yes, "obsessing" is a word that you can safely re-address to yourself. And I am not joking here at all !

What am I obsessing over exactly? :D

My style of writing is literate and my words well chosen. Kindly don't project your own mediocre English writing if it doesn't measure up to my level!

lol
That's what I'm talking about :) You seem quite full of yourself.
My English writing will always be "mediocre" in comparisment to that of the native speakers.
However, I can see a difference between your style of writing and of all the native speakers of English on this forum.
For someone it may be "literate with words well chosen", for others it may be pretentious and irritating - I don't really care about that.

All I'm saying is - considering that your writing style isn't typical for many native speakers of English, it's simply unfair on your part to judge the style of non-native speakers of English so harshly and call it "primitive".

Your English actually isn't half bad, I must admit. There are mistakes however. You presumably aren't an English teacher, so you're "forgiven".

Why thank you, kind sir, you're simply too gracious lol

Listen, Wlodzimierz, I think you're an OK person in general, there are worse people than you on this forum lol, I have no grudge against you. It's just that obsession of yours and your attitude is irritating. I think you should, as we say in Poland, "spuścić trochę z tonu" and maybe even people will start talking to you in their native languages ;)
Paulina   
20 Jan 2014
UK, Ireland / Agnieszka Pomaska, beautiful Polish politician [43]

OH? Come on he is only saying that men and women differ unlike "modern" morons who claims otherwise.

I'm not sure about that.

And what differences do you have in mind?

I'm not sure how you got that.

I was just making fun of your chauvinism :)

Perhaps try reading what I said again? I don't think Poland has ever had a politician as good-looking as JFK.

JFK?

Really?
He had a nice smile and that's pretty much all...
We had better looking politicians. For example, "Piękny Marian" lol - Marian Krzaklewski:

Now the platform has the last moments primarily on self-reflection and change even in the treatment of social issues - said in an interview with the former head of RMF FM AWS Krzaklewski .

Krzaklewski added that when he meets representatives of the PO , asks that passed the leadership of the party that did return when it comes to the treatment of social issues.

- I'm not going to go back to politics now . As for today , or tomorrow I will not. And tomorrow I'll be rested , because it 's Sunday. Today I will be together with your organization Works to march in Warsaw - said the former President of the "Solidarity" .

And when he was older:
Paulina   
20 Jan 2014
Life / Do Poles have a problem understanding American English? [76]

Paulina et al, my prior point was that here in the States, typically if someone is hired as a French instructor at any prestigious language school, they must speak basically a perfect, native French. As far as the teaching of English is concerned, no such standard applies any longer.

That's what you say, I don't really know if that's really the case.
Which universities are you comparing exactly?
Or are you writing only about language schools?

Btw, if it's true I can imagine it's due to the fact that English is a lingua franca of our times. It is taught everywhere to really great numbers of people and so really great numbers of teachers are needed and so the level is lower. I think it's natural and has nothing to do with double standards. If the French language was the language of global communication nowadays I can imagine it would be butchered in the same way all over the world :)

Many whom I've met who "teach" English have noticable foreign accents and are often blithelly unfamiliar with Anglo- American culture, banter, word play and essentiallly communicate on a most primitive level, masquerading as "international communication.

Whom are you talking about?
University professors or language school instructors?
Or people in the street?

Even my Polish teachers at highschool had very good pronunciation. I had only one dreadful "teacher" at the very beginning of highschool. We called her "Mrs. Sheep" lol The school didn't have English teachers, I think, at that time, so our librarian did a quick English teaching course and became our English teacher. She would pronounce word comfortable as "komfortejbyl" ;O Even at that time I knew it was very very wrong xD The funny thing was that I was getting worse marks for pronouncing words in the right way ;D That was terrible... But later on, we got real teachers, she went back to the library and such a level for a teacher would be simply unacceptable nowadays in a public school, I can imagine.

As for Anglo-American culture it's even in the language course books so it's obligatory to teach at least the basics (at least at state schools in Poland). And it's the same with teaching other foreign languages at state schools in Poland. And, again, Anglo-American cultures are rather well known in the world.

As for "communicating on a most primitive level"... Your own style in English is so unnecessarily elaborate (or maybe even pretentious) that I I'm not really sure if you're being objective about the level of communicating of your interlocutors. I wouldn't be surprised if you exaggerated, to be honest.

As far as this overused word "obsessing", it's hardly obsessive to kindly ask that if a Pole, German, Swede etc.. tacitly insists that they already know enough English so that an American, say, needn't spend time studying Polish, German or Swedish

I really doubt that anyone ever told you that you don't need to spend time studying Polish or any other language. Most Poles appreciate the fact that a foreigner makes the effort to study their language.

However, if your Polish isn't good enough to communicate easily then they may switch to Polish to make the communication easier in their mind for both you and them. They may even think that they're doing you a favour. Or they just want to practice their English.

If you want to practice your Polish with them then simply tell them about it.

And no, the word "obsessing" isn't overused in your case at all, since you complain about foreigners not wanting to talk to you in their native languages in every freaking language thread on this forum.

is it too much to ask that the English of the foreign interlocutor be at least aesthetic and modest?

What do you mean by "aesthetic and modest"?

Need younger Europeans pretend that their ignorance of higher-level English is adequate enough, more important even than a foreigner taking the time to read Mickiewicz, Goethe or Strindberg in the original?

I'm sorry, Wlodzimierz, but I don't understand this sentence.

It was a nice experience many years back when I met an Austrian accountant who not only knew how to "communicate" in more or less unaccented American English, but could even quote some of the Mickado, chapter and verse!!!

It's natural that people have accents when speaking a foreign language. Not everyone has "a good ear" for langauges. Some students, taught by the same teacher, may speak with heavy accents while others from the same class can have a very good pronunciation and only just a light accent or in rare cases none at all. Not all people are skilled in the same way. I was one of two people in my class, I think, who could get the French "r" more or less correct. My first efforts at getting it right caused giggling from my classmates, but later on they were praising my French pronunciation ;) So it's not so easy, you know.

Also, I don't understand why would you expect from foreigners any knowledge about English opera? o_O The fact that you're interested in opera doesn't mean that all people are. English is a lingua franca, people study it for the sake of communication and they aren't obliged to know about some rather not well known elements of British culture. When you're studying English, you're studying it to communicate with people from many parts of the world, not necessarily with the British or Americans (or Canadians, Australians, etc.).

So there's hope yet:-)

Hope for what?
Not everyone is obliged or has the need to speak English or any other foreign language on a native-speaker level.
It depends on the circumstances.
Also, not everyone has good enough language skills or opportunities to be able to do that in the first place.

I had a British teacher at a language school here in Poland who purposefully used with us some kind of non-accented English (without the British accent). I also had a Scottish teacher once and he was trying to do the same, although we did have some problems with understanding him and getting used to his a bit different pronunciation.

Yes, Wlodzimierz, times have changed. English is used by people all over the world and perhaps the accent with which someone is speaking doesn't matter that much nowadays.

However, if your Polish isn't good enough to communicate easily then they may switch to Polish

*switch to English