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History of two Neighbors: Poland - Germany Interrelations


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
4 Mar 2019 #91
I see Russia as a natural partner for Germany

You are a Linke fan!

That's their party program...(and the SPD talks the same)

You should reconsider whom you give your vote come next elections!
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #92
You have no clue what you talk about.

AfD also supports closer alliance with Russia

faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/afd-verteidigt-putin-auf-ihrem-russlandkongress-15149657.html
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
4 Mar 2019 #93
AfD also supports

Probably paid by Putin....
Lyzko 26 | 6,976
4 Mar 2019 #94
@Weimarer,

How can you sit there and post that you're for technology and nature while in the same breath by ant-foreigner in Germany? Who d'you think will be filling many of those tech as well as green jobs?? In addition, numerous German firms have moved offshore, not to mention having been outsourced for years now:-)

Your argument is specious, it holds no water.
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #95
It does hold water. I cant make a cake. I buy it in the bakery. That doesnt mean i have to move the baker in my home.

I have nothing against people in other countries, as long they stay there. Im not willing to allow millions of 3rd worlders here and act as world welfare office.

And before you ask, i dont care about war and poverty either. I dont care about their fate. None of my business. What i care for is to keep them out. Salvini in italy dropped migration by 95%. Good man.
Lyzko 26 | 6,976
4 Mar 2019 #96
If you can't get used to the new normal of being underbid by lowballing foreigners in your country, well, I guess you'll have to move from Germany or at least be your own AfD soldier for change:-)

LOL
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #97
They dont work. Will never work and always stay in welfare.

So dont talk your leftist bullshit.

And i dont have to move. Im German. I love my nation and with greatest joy i watch how the AFD rise destroys whats important for people like you.

I love how the EU breaks apart. I love how migrants are pushed back by Salvini to Libya.

Im quite happy to see your leftist liberal utopia breaking.

I vote AfD in may at EU election. My girl votes them as well, so does my parents, sister and majority of my comrades.
delphiandomine 86 | 18,263
4 Mar 2019 #98
AfD also supports closer alliance with Russia

So, it's in every Polish person's interest to oppose the AfD and what they stand for.
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #99
Of course its in every polish persons interest to oppose an party that stands for german interests. Nations always act against each other. Read Bismarck. When two nations agree you have to look who they want murder.

The end of the EU and good relations with Russia are a core german interest.

Of course not in the interest of sick liberals.
delphiandomine 86 | 18,263
4 Mar 2019 #100
The end of the EU and good relations with Russia are a core german interest.

Only if Germany wants to be reduced to a shell of itself again. Anyway, trends are showing that Germany will deepen the amount of integration with France, no matter what AfD supporters in the depopulated East say.
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #101
Wrong, Macron is finished, lePen rises and that's good news. Its a great joy to watch the chaos in France rise. Next election will be like Italy with Salvini.

The AfD already rules Germany thanks to CDU panic. :)

Brexit good. Yellow vests good, Orban good and Salvini good.

I think far beyond AfD and Thüringen.

We do our share in the greater goal to rupture the EU and we do it quite successful.
mafketis 24 | 8,936
4 Mar 2019 #102
trends are showing that Germany will deepen the amount of integration with France,

Is there really any indication that a majority of citizens in either France or Germany want deepened integration?

My own idea is that it's more liable to produce nasty stuff like the current article 13 than anything of use (or a European Army to put down citizen insurrections).
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #103
The elites are too afraid to ask the people. Look what happened in UK people want Brexit.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
4 Mar 2019 #104
No....not "the" people...half of them don't want Brexit.

"The" Ossis don't want Putin either....what are you gonna do with those who don't want that?
Lyzko 26 | 6,976
4 Mar 2019 #105
"Leftist"??

Capitalism is as rightist as you can get, Weimarer!
I question whether or not you love your country for the proper reasons:-) For instance, classical music, visual arts, cinema, literature, science....
These are the reasons one "loves" their country, not merely whose soccer team is the best or this kind of thing. The latter is purile, that is to

say "juvenile" and not terribly mature.

Oh well, who knows, maybe you'll grown into yourself eventually and develop into a human being:-)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
4 Mar 2019 #106
their country, not merely whose soccer team is the best or this kind of thing

And still.....you can't wave your flag at a painting, or have a victory party for a poem :)
Lyzko 26 | 6,976
4 Mar 2019 #107
Eternal creations are forever, B.B., whereas a victory match, a beer's, only as good as your last burp:-)
mafketis 24 | 8,936
4 Mar 2019 #108
half of them don't want Brexit.

My theory: They're not pushing for a second referendum because they're afraid that Brexit would win again... (surely the negative rhetoric from Juncker and Tusk would be used in a second 'leave' campaign...)
Weimarer 8 | 415
4 Mar 2019 #109
@Lyzko

You call me a subhuman? Great! We have a Nazi here! Its good you admit your sick ideology.

The liberal left are the modern nazis.

What i love ,y country for?

We have best science, engineering. Greatest art and philosophers.

I give a **** about soccer. My heroes are Wernher von Braun, Arminius, Bismarck, Helmut Schmidt, Rommel, Ilse Meitner, Hannah Reitsch, Junkers, Graf Zeppelin.
delphiandomine 86 | 18,263
4 Mar 2019 #110
They're not pushing for a second referendum because they're afraid that Brexit would win again.

No, the reason is because Labour has been hijacked by hard leftists who actually want Brexit, and many of their electorate (in poor areas) also support it.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
4 Mar 2019 #111
My theory: They're not pushing for a second referendum because they're afraid that Brexit would win again..

Maybe...maybe not.

That doesn't do sh't for the deep split across the country, in the case the Remainer would win now only the other half is deeply unhappy and angry...
Vlad1234 16 | 710
4 Mar 2019 #112
We have best science, engineering. Greatest art and philosophers.

That's great. But Russian proverb tells: "Don't glorify yourself, better wait when others will glorify you". All people you've mentioned belong to the past centuries. What about 21 century or the end of 20-th?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,608
5 Mar 2019 #113
My heroes are Wernher von Braun, Arminius, Bismarck, Helmut Schmidt, Rommel, Ilse Meitner, Hannah Reitsch, Junkers, Graf Zeppelin.

Same. Except I'd also add Wagner, goring, goebbels, Himmler, Hugo boss and a few others.

I like junkers watches. The only non Swiss brand i buy. Same with Hugo boss - whoever says Nazi uniforms were ugly is lying.

But I despise Merkel. I hope she is 'culturally enriched' before her time comes. Although she likely never will since she lives in an ivory tower around guards... Far far away from the kebab...

What about 21 century or the end of 20-th?

None worth mentioning. Except Ursula haverbeck. Poor granny got put in jail for asking questions. Researching the holocaust or debating the numbers is illegal in Germany. They'll throw you in jail for arithmetic lol. Why is it that you can research, debate, criticize just about any historic event yet somehow the holocaust is off limits?
Tacitus 2 | 1,079
5 Mar 2019 #114
Because it is not. You just have to respect the basic rules of academic research, which means acknowledging sources that disprove your theory, and to not invent sources to support your own theory. Holocaust deniers usually fail to uphold both, and thus can not claim legitimate research as an excuse.

Poor granny

More like an unrepentant Nazi who made it her life's mission to denigrate and insult the victims of Nazism. But I guess you can only find this revolting if you still harbor some sort of human decency.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,608
5 Mar 2019 #115
Holocaust deniers usually fail to uphold both, and thus can not claim legitimate research as an excuse.

Arithmetic gets you jailed. Simply stating that's it's impossible that six million died since the auschwitz numbers were publically reduced by 3 million in 1989, but the original six million was never correspondingly reduced is enough to get you jailed. That's an unheard of level of cuckery - explaining subtraction can get you jailed....

academic research,

Is that why germer Rudolf wasn't allowed to conduct academic research and finish his PhD? The German government doesn't want anyone to test for cyanide in the camps.

Not to mention the fact that the rooms they said we're gas chambers have wooden doors...
Ziemowit 13 | 4,204
5 Mar 2019 #116
My heroes are Wernher von Braun

Same.

If Untersturmführer SS Werhner von Braun (who joined the NSDAP in 1934 and the SS in 1940) had successfuly finished his programme for Herr Hitler, your family would have been reduced to the role of Untermenschen and you would never have been able to travel to Chicago and then spill your hatred directed at people of colour from there. Or if Herr Hitler and his diabolic state survived a little longer, von Braun's rockets would have certainly hit New York and Chicago one day and the United Stated could have find itself in a pickle. Then you could have possibly arrived in Chicago, but in a Nazi uniform, if the Nazis accepted you as being a member of an Untermenschen family.

Except I'd also add Wagner, goring, goebbels, Himmler

Ha ha ha, these are heros chosen by one of the Untermenschen. Göring und Goebbels und Himmler - fabulous! The Third Reich eternally alive!
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
5 Mar 2019 #117
our family would have been reduced to the role of Untermenschen and you would never have been able to travel to Chicago

Isn't it mind boggling when non-Germans adore Hitler and the Nazis? Totally ignoring the sacrifices their own ancestors brought and the fate what would had awaited them if their heroes had won?

Is there something more sick and stupid? Suicidal maybe? Traiterous at least?

I can understand when Germans or even Japanese do this, but Russians? Poles? Brits, USians????
Tacitus 2 | 1,079
5 Mar 2019 #118
That's an unheard of level of cuckery - explaining subtraction can get you jailed....

Because the number of at least 5 million murdered jews during the Holocaust is beyond dispute and proven by countless documents. You have to deliberately ignore this evidence to come up with a number which is significantly below the threshold.

Is that why germer Rudolf wasn't allowed to conduct academic research and finish his PhD?

No, he was not allowed to finish his academic research because it became clear that he did not adhere to basic scientific rules (which became even more obvious when he published several flawed papers under a pseudonym).
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,608
5 Mar 2019 #119
which means acknowledging sources that disprove your theory,

You're telling me a dude with a masters in chemistry going for his PhD isn't adhering to the scientific method?
Kind of like the ones talking about Jews being turned into lampshades and soap? Or maybe the since disproven 4 million at auschwitz. Perhaps the commandant

Man I'd hate to live in a place where debating what really happened can get you thrown in jail. But of course only when it concerns 'the chosen people.' No one gets thrown in jail for denying the Armenian genocide or srebnica or how many poles died. Nope. Only the holocaust revisionists are jailed.

Oh and then there's also the red Cross report, the commandant book, numerous census reports showing no such missing 6 million, etc. (which later the Jews realized and 'revised' the world almanac numbe a few years after WW2, only those years were revised... No others...). They also claimed 6 million Jews died in Russia.

No matter how you look at it the 1989 auschwitz reduction by 3 mil alone proves 6 million is bullshit. But explaining that publicly in Germany is enough to get you in trouble.

Isn't it funny how a people so hated by every nationality on Earth requires laws to protect them?

And FYI the Nazis treated my family just fine. My aunt even married an officer. The Soviets on the other hand ...
Tacitus 2 | 1,079
5 Mar 2019 #120
his PhD isn't adhering to the scientific method?

Yes and why is that so difficult to believe? There are many cases of often celebrated scientists who later turn out to be frauds. He was simply caught early on.

Kind of like the ones talking about Jews being turned into lampshades and soap?

Those aspects are ultimately pointless for the discussion at large. The Nazis left a large paper trail behind which can be used to pinpoint the number of Jewish victims between 5-7million jews. This paper trail aroubd with the other evidence is so conclusive that no honest historian cn deny them. Which is why you can pick out the frauds by simply looking how much space they dedicate on debunking the "flashy" evidence in e.g. Ausschwitz, while ignoring the rest.

reduction by 3 mil alone proves 6 million is bullshit.

No, because all historians disagree on how many jews were killed in Ausschwitz or in operations elseshere. The identity of around 5m victims is quite well documented.


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