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Terrible past for the Jews in Poland?


Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #661
Poles who prefered to visit Jewish shops with lower prices

Untill the Jewish shop owners run away all other competion and then all those lower prices wnet much up overnight.

Jewish sellers also gave discount to Poles

rather credit with interest.

by their kindness and customer care.

yes they were kissing up to custmoers with money. Who said that was a problem? The problem started when all Jewish shops on a street acted in accord to run non Jewish shop out of business.
Alien 11 | 1,652
31 Jul 2022 #662
@Cojestdocholery
It was unfair competition.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #663
f that the case you shouldn't have a problem with providing evidence

I already did in post 630. IPN investigation found it out. Simple. Poles who murdered Jews in Jedwabne were nationalist supporters of Endecja. Your infantile denials are useless, darling.

lower prices wnet much up overnight.

Of course not. Stop lying or prove what you wrote. Find me a source which says so. I provided you with the source describing Jewish trade in prewar Lublin. Now, it is your turn.

It was unfair competition.

Wrong assumption. Jews were united and cooperated with each other that is why they were able to offer lower prices. Besides, they were excellent traders with a great approach to a customer. Who forbade Poles to do the same????? Nobody. They simply didn`t want or weren`t able to be like Jewish traders. So stop bulshiting about unfair competition. It was Polish owners` fault and they could blame only themselves.

All in all, Jewish shops were a blessing to Polish customers.

yes they were kissing up to custmoers with money

Stop inventing such bs - you are doing it all the time. I already mentioned that Jewish owners sold goods on credit to Poles.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #664
Jewish owners sold goods on credit to Poles.

From the article about Jewish trade in Lublin area:
There was one textile store run by Mrs Lubowa. "Mrs. Lubowa, I wanted fabric for the dress." "Please, here you are." "But I have no money!" "It's okay, when you have it, then you'll pay. What the problem?" There was one textile shop in Kazimierz. And she had beautiful things.

The presence of Jews accelarated the economic growth of local communities. E,g. in Kielce:
jankarski.org.pl/zydzi-w-kielcach/

Jewish merchants became present in all areas of trade: craftsmanship and, on a large scale, cottage industry developed, and industrial plants, which had not existed in Kielce so far, also began to be established. Natural resources and wood were used primarily, and the Jews built the foundations of the Kielce lime and wood industry. Leather tanneries developed, small plants producing soap, candles and small accessories and mills were established. Kielce also became a city of shoemakers.

And nationalists wanted to boycott and eventually ban all of it. Thank you very much.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #665
Jewish owners sold goods on credit to Poles.

with interest!

PN investigation found it out.

You lie! What they found? You are going in circles let stop it - that is not an answer to my question.
Once again -
you wrote "And it was nationalist Poles, supporters of Endecja, who murdered Jews in pogroms of 1941"
Evidence for that please! Not deflection not change of the subject but evidence to support your claim.
If you can't do it that means you lie.

and eventually ban all of it

you are inventing things now. Your credibility is at all times low.

Jews were united and cooperated with each other that is why they were able to offer lower prices.

So it was fine if Jews were doing that but if Poles wanted to do that that was wrong and nationalistc anti-semitsm. lol! No cred whatsovere.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #666
Evidence for that please!

Darling, there are tens if not hundred sites which corroborate it. You can`t escape from the truth however you will try to deflect.
E.,g
Here about the massacres other than Jedwabne:

ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/2016/02/01/polacy-mordowali-nie-tylko-w-jedwabnem-trzy-pogromy-ktorych-powinnismy-sie-wstydzic/

Contrary to popular opinion, the murders were not committed by the mob blind with vodka. They were prominent and educated citizens, people driven by "patriotism", often members of the National Party . People were appointed in advance to be responsible for the various stages of the extermination: luring Jews out of their homes, leading them to the ditch, and transporting the bodies.

inventing things

You are refuting basic facts which clearly show that Polish Nationalists evolved from haters to murderers. That is why I reject nationalism because it always ends in this way - both in Poland and everywhere.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #667
Darling, there are tens if not hundred sites which corroborate it

If that your evidence that you can shove it.
Some general statements without substance and evidence. Political or story telling a-holes doesn't equal evidence, seems like you don't even know what evidence means.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #668
evidence

buhahaha You are living in tough denial, I see. But it is useless coz I will always correct your lies.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #669
that Nationalists evolved from haters to murderers.

that Kremilin story, then Kremlin stooges in Poland story and that is also your story, you justfiy with this lie your very existance you should just move to Moscow were you belong.

The same narrative like Rusians in Ukrainie. lol!
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #670
I see you wholeheartedly support murderers from Polish nationalist hordes. But RuSSists who murder in Ukraine are the same - also driven by their sick nationalism. They are your mental buddies.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #671
I see

Some more BS Putin style from you. Go to your motherland Russia you are the right fit for it.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #672
motherland Russia

Hey, black pot, nationalist Konfederacja party, the one you support, is the most pro RuSSist group in Poland. You should transfer to RuSSia with your party leaders. HA! You will feel at home with your mental buddies. hahahaha
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #673
is the most pro RuSSist group in Poland.

Sure you stooped so low as to spread PiS lie about it. Are you PiS supporter now? lol!
Time for you to go to Moscow you will feel right at home.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #674
Dear Iron, I see you are completely at a loss.
I suggest we have a joint look at other Polish nationalists` crimes on Jews, not only in Jedwabne.

A suitable motto for our research:
Grandparents took part in the crimes. Parents were silent. The grandchildren must tell about it so that their children do not repeat it.
Alien 11 | 1,652
31 Jul 2022 #675
@pawian #663
The Jewish traders were clever but never smart enough. They have broken an " gentleman agreement" that Polish customers are for Polish traders and Jewish customers for Jewish traders. Yes, they were never gentlemans. You are a teacher but if you were a Polish trader you would be the first to throw the stone. Sorry for my bad English.
Veles - | 234
31 Jul 2022 #676
Amazing to see how some act as if millions of people had exactly same approach to reality, based merely on national background. If someone's only encounter with Poles was meeting with a drunken football hooligan, I wonder how it applies to the remaining 40mln of Poles from Poland.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #677
gentleman agreement"

Amasing but I have never heard of such an agreement. :):) You have messed sth up now.

I wonder how it applies to the remaining 40mln of Poles from Poland.

Exactly. Those Endecja nationalist murderers belonged to the Polish nation but didn`t represent it as a whole.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #678
The grandchildren must tell about it so that their children do not repeat it.

you are free to spill it all about crimes your grandparents comitted. Go ahead and come clean. Ah but that is not what you do- you point finger on some unspecified people and balme them without any evidence.

That is an act of a scum from Russia. Why don't F off to Moscow you will fit right there with Putin and his people. You use the same formula.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #679
Why don't F off

No, darling, I won`t. We shall discuss everything. Instead of infantile denials, read and learn about your nationalist buddies.

One of Polish patriots who fought for Polish independence in early 20th century, general Haller, was a nationalist antisemite.

Haller's patriotism was in fact nationalism in chauvinistic, anti-Semitic edition. Haller tolerated anti-Semitism within the Blue Army he commanded at the end of World War I. Haller's soldiers boasted repeatedly that "The Jews were not afraid of anyone but the Blue Army". Haller's "Blue Army" returned from France to Poland after the war and it immediately became a threat to the local Jews where they stationed. Anti-Jewish excesses took place, among others in Dębica and Zagłębie Dąbrowskie. The most infamous accident happened on May 27, 1919 in Częstochowa. Haller's soldiers began to cut Jews` beards in streets. Later, in the evening the city witnessed anti-Jewish riots fueled by Haller soldiers. 7 Jews were murdered and 9 seriously injured. With great difficulty, the police succeeded to restore order in the city. What was Haller's reaction to these accidents? Well, he explained that the actions of his soldiers in relation to Jews were dictated by hygienic and sanitary considerations.
Alien 11 | 1,652
31 Jul 2022 #680
Good old Haller von Halenburg. He got so many Polish medals.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #681
No, darling, I won`t.

I know, you need some incentive to speed you on your way out!

Instead of infantile denials,

It must be nice to live in your fantasy land talking about denial and some other outlandish stuff. You must hate it if I ask about facts and evidence for all that, you fall from the cloud nine right onto your red pawian ass with a splash. Reality calling and here you are lost and exposed as brazen liar that you are.

Haller's

boo ho! lol! put it in your pipe and smoke it
You should read my posts carefuly I hate to repeat myslefs just becasue you overlooked something.
Iam not you and I don't spin fantazy tale from from a thin air.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #682
I know,

No, you don`t know all the facts about nationalists.

In 1918, the Polish troops which eventually took the city started the pogrom of Jewish inhabitants.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_pogrom_(1918)

The Lwów pogrom was a war crime. Despicable to its core and harmful to Poland itself for its violence against defenseless people, often women and children. It gave Poland a bad reputation for years. It also foreshadowed the fact that this new Poland would constantly struggle with intolerance, anti-Semitism and a lack of acceptance for its minorities.

polishhistory.pl/lwow-is-a-city-with-a-rebellious-nature/

The news about the pogrom spread widely in the world. Even US President Woodrow Wilson appointed a commission, led by Henry Morgenthau, Sr., to investigate it.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #683
No, you don`t know

Listen stupid read my posts, I addressed all that under during a war.
I asked you to provide evidnce for something you cliamed not to spin old tales.
You can't you lie. End of story.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #684
old tales

It is so amaSSing that nationalist scum denies everything what they did to Polish Jews. During WW2 such people burnt Jews in barns and as szmalcowniks, hunted them in streets of Polish cities under German occupation. Tfu! means Yuk.
Kashub1410 4 | 222
31 Jul 2022 #685
@pawian
Opportunists don't have a political option, they wig their tail towards those they can get most from and survive the easiest
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
31 Jul 2022 #686
It is so

lol it is lame like you old brazen and shamless liar return to abusive language to change the subject here.
YES I can hear you you have no evidence to support your cliams and it is clear that you spin and lie.
Rabid scum that is you!
Why don't you tell us about crimes of your grandparents that could be of some interest. Lies are boring.
pawian 190 | 19,211
31 Jul 2022 #687
For a while, let`s move to pre war times.

in tne USA Jews were facing more discrmination then in Poland,

Really??? Certainly Americans didn `t introduce the bench ghetto:

It was a form of nationalist discrimination against Jews introduced at Polish universities in the 1930s. It consisted in separating a part of the classroom or lecture hall and allocating it to students of Jewish origin , who did not have the right to freely choose their seats. Jewish students who did not comply with the decree and tried to sit in Aryan benches were dragged over to the other side, thrown out of the halls or not allowed to attend lectures.

Bench ghetto was introduced by the Polish Minister in 1937 and it functioned till WW2 at some universities.

dzieje.pl/aktualnosci/dr-hab-jolanta-zyndul-glownym-celem-getta-lawkowego-bylo-wypchniecie-zydow-z-polski

The main idea behind it was to discourage Jewish students from studying. When the bench ghetto was introduced, and the number of Jewish students at universities began to decline as a result of the use of numerus clausus, further demands were made - for example, the demand for numerus nullus, i.e. the complete cessation of admitting Jewish students to Polish universities. It was an action directed against the Jewish intelligentsia, just as the action "do not buy from a Jew" was directed against the Jewish petty bourgeoisie. The main goal was to get Jews out of Poland altogether. As a result, it was supposed to show Jews that they cannot stay in Poland and force them to emigrate.

The Day Without Jews - We demand official ghetto, a banner by nationalist students and academic teachers at the Lviv Polytechnic College



Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,651
1 Aug 2022 #688
For a while, let`s move to pre war times.

You are moving all over the place. Is your ass on fire?
I know - you are running away. You have no evidence for your cliams and ten post on you still have nothing.
It is clear that your lied. So you do everything to change the subject here.

Certainly Americans didn `t introduce the bench ghetto:

They didn't have to becouse up to the 60' Jews had limited acceest to top Ameircan unnivercities. A law that didn't excist in Poland and what Polish students wanted to intorduce hence so called bench ghettto. A politcal protest. Nothing wrong with that.

You stupid bum you don't even know that much but you work your stupid mug overtime slandering Polish patriots. It figurs your family is scummy crminals that belong in Moscow.
pawian 190 | 19,211
1 Aug 2022 #689
60' Jews had limited acceest to top Ameircan

That was informal, darling, a private initiative of some universities so it doesn`t count. While bench ghetto was officially given the green light by the chauvinist government in Poland. Ha!

moving

Oh, yes, movies, I forgot about them.
See how a Polish student suspected of being a Jew gets punched on the nose by nationalists mates.

Zezowate Szczęście at 9:45
youtube.com/watch?v=NJFw5bxgXe4&t=636s

change the subject

OK, let`s change, from bench ghetto to numerus clausus.

Numerus clausus meant limiting the number of Jewish students in higher education to the percentage of Jews in the country. In 1937, access to unis was limited for Jewish youth after the rabid pressure from nationalist organisations . This resulted in a drop in the number of Jewish students - from about 25 percent. of all students in the 1921/1922 academic year, to only 8 percent. in the 1938/1939 academic year.

Nationalists also tried to introduce numerus nullus, a complete ban on Jews at universities, but WW2 prevented those plans.
pawian 190 | 19,211
1 Aug 2022 #690
family

Today you defend and protect that nationalist scum who committed various atrocities on Jews during WW2. Quite probable your family took part in burning Jews in Jedwabne. Tfu! Do you still keep those Jewish gold teeth you inherited from your ancestors??


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