Terrible past for the Jews in Poland?

Brace yourself - putting a blame on the Germans is probably coming. :) Still, it's true that there are more examples anyway. Same can be said about the opposite situation.


Oko Press doesn't have a good reputation.

Among PiS supporters and other rightwingers. I am neither . Ha!
OK, provide a different source which claims that antisemitism wasn`t his main ideology. :):)

I'm neither as well, yet I don't close my eyes when I witness Oko.press writing crap. Still, if you want to provide evidence, and you can easily assume that someone may question the credibility of the source, maybe it's better to search for the better sources?

Otherwise you'll keep arguing by using "no u" method.


Where did I say that it wasn't?

You are amasing. :):):) You question my site and demand I find another??? It seems you got some things mixed up a little. :):):) It is your task to prove that my site is not credible. Come on, I would like to read sth new about it.

I gave you an advice that if you want to convince someone, don't quote sources he/she will find questionable. That way you'll be playing cat and mouse forever, unless that's the point.

Also, I asked you to show where I said something regarding the subject, so it is your task to show me where I did it. You can freely use quoting option here or show a screenshot.

Look, in this way I can also question anything you write and demand new sources and then again and again. And we can play such stupid games for years.

Sorry, my time is limited - as I said - you prove what you question. It is fair and simple.


You questioned the site which says so. It means you reject that opinion. Simple.

If you have no time to write a post using a single quote of my own writing, then I'm surprised you bother to respond me at all.


No, it does not. Just because I see oko.press as politically motivated crap doesn't mean, that I disagree with everything they said just as a matter of principle.

Don`t be so quick. And let 5 minutes pass until the post is finished. Why so impatient??? :):):)


You are amased?? :):)

Why not? If you post something, it's already finished.


I don't know what you're talking about.

So, we are spending precious minutes discussing stupid issue like how many devils can dance on the head of a pin?? Please, get a grip and stop this infantile fuss about the site. You don`t like it? Your choice and your problem . Why do you involve me in your problems and expect me to solve them?


Oh la la. You are not only impatient but also very strict. Amasing. :):):)

I see it's a waste of time.

Yes, it was.
To sum up:
You questioned the credibility of the site I provided and expected me to find a better one. I asked you to do it on your own. You refused and said I should do it. I still claim it is your task.

It is really amasing you are prone to creating such infantile problems in the discussion. I really considered you a serious poster. After all, you are a historian by occupation. Even a professor.

Someone who makes such childish lies while the proof can be easily found by a simple scrolling up, and confuses politically biased "journalist" with the historians, doesn't deserve any more attention.


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Enjoy the night.

@Veles
Arguing with people who are not allowed to change their minds is always a waste of time.

Stop lying like a rabid Polish rightwinger. The interview on the site you question is with a professional historian, professor Grzegorz Krzywiec. He is an expert on Endecja. So certainly it isn`t just journalism as you suggest.


Amasing that you don`t apply this rule in practice - now when I check our previous posts I see you added whole paragraphs in yours in the last seconds.

Are we talking about Dmowski or Endecja? I talk about Dmowski.


Are you refuting your own claims? That is a very definition of assmilation.


No you are lying along with Gliński. Who is above all a politcal writter and he dares to put a spin like that on Dmowski. To fit his political and preachy narrative. In other words he is a worthless lair.

They also bulid dead camps for Jews and run for four years, now bring evidence on that as well as names and orgnization that done it and not just say it, bring in evidence for all that.

Dmowski was Endecja and vice versa. :):):)


Typical lron`s twister to mess up the discussion. :):):)

Check your reply to my first post tonight, you quoted this sentence:


See? You are also talking about Endecja. Stop twisting and evading.


You see, you don`t even know what you are talking about. It is obvious you didn`t read the article. Shame on you. Discussing sth without learning what first. :):):)

Gliński is a PiS Minister.

@Cojestdocholery
Pawian is the same as leftist woke people in the UK who see nothing but racism in their national history.
Like the leftist wokes in the UK,he is a disgrace to his fellow Poles,which is a shame,because in general, I think he is a pro Polish poster, but he lets himself down on his view of history.

Ha! Another of your twisters and evasions. Let me repeat: shame on you for such an infantile behaviour. You and Veles can shake hands together. You both didn`t read the article but desperately try to make an impression you did. Amassing!


Wow, another bout?? :):):)

No it wasn't and if you knew first thing about Dmowski and the subject you would knew it as well. Instead you just put a spin on things and make stupid assumptions.


I'm not twisting, you are refuting your own cliams, read assimilation. You should be red like a beetroot but you have no shame like your patologia ilk.


I know what I'm talking about Krzywiec or Gliński I don't care about the name but about content.

bring evidence for all that not just your spin and we can talk. Right now you just reapet politcal writters narrative I would say idological but that too much for those shamless liars.

Yes, and the content shows that Dmowski and Endecja`s main preoccupation was Jews, a fundament of their whole ideology after the WW1 when Poland regained independence. Your false claims can`t distort the facts.


No, it is not. Every Jew to be considered a good Pole had to be nationalist like Dmowski. Every Pole to be good had to be nationalist like Dmowski and his rabid hordes. No. Fekk you and your sick nationalism, there are other options too and you can still be a good Pole and Polish Jew.


Prove to us that he was wrong about Dmowski. Sources, links, quotes. I challenge you! Ha! It is your task now, just like it was Veles` which he shunned. Will you evade it too?????

@pawian
When a person sells you something to drink and gives discount to others based on culture and nationality, while being in your neighbourhood. You got every right to get pissed, what's so hard to understand? Owning land?

In the end, Poland was a promised land or a cursed land, for Jews?

@Alien
It was a safe haven, until 1939. They didn't have the best prospects (just like most people).

It was an incubator for them to survive long enough to switch from being exiled refugees to gain their land back.

Some people wish for them to turn to a exiled people (basically by denying them a right to their own state).

By actions of 1939-1945 it's not a remote possibility, they have every right not to trust the international community or major powers nor the muslim world.

Dmowski fans or not

That was a problem for common Poles who prefered to visit Jewish shops with lower prices and discounts as well as better customer service.


As I said, Jewish sellers also gave discount to Poles that is why their shops were so popular.

@pawian
I was thinking about jewish tradesmen giving preferance to jewish customers, basically beginning the trade conflict.

Yes, I know what you were thinking. And that`s why I told you that Polish customers also had preferable treatment in Jewish shops. The Polish customer felt like a king or queen in a Jewish shop while in the Polish one they felt like intruders.

A very good article about Polish Jewish trade in prewar Lublin.
teatrnn.pl/leksykon/artykuly/zydowski-handel-we-wspomnieniach-mieszkancow-lublina/


The inhabitants of Lublin were encouraged to shop at Jewish merchants by their kindness and customer care. This is what Teresa Szmigielska recalls: My mother liked shopping in Jewish stores a lot.


Polish trade was not going well, nor was it normal - the Pole was terribly greedy for money. He didn't know how to do business. He set a price so high the goods didn't go. For example, at a Jew, fresh bread cost five groszy, ten groszy, and in the afternoon, stale, it was a grosz or two cheaper, while a Polish trader kept same the price for the bread all day.

And buying on credit was also possible in Jewish shoips while in Polish it wasn`t.

THAT is a LIE and a spin. You don't discern between idology and politcal actvity, idology wasn't about Jews, that was only a short segment about them. Political reality was that that it took a lot of talk as Jews was a problem in Poland as the biggest minority next to Ukrainians. So it only natural given all isuss they were subject of poltical discurse. But to twist it and lie to make Dmowski all about Jews is a thing that potical writter nowdays being a scum would do. That is the fact. Stop your lies! It disgusting.


Yes it is! Acting for good of your counrty and to defend its interest is an alien conept only to people like you. At the time it was clear that that what it was about. Being a Polish patriot of Jewish origin was not a problem but a solution.


lol! what are you trying to pull? I would have to write a historical disration on the subject, Next to immpossible in a short notice and you know it. Why you pulling that stunt? It is simple you got caught in your lies.

you wrote "And it was nationalist Poles, supporters of Endecja, who murdered Jews in pogroms of 1941"
If that the case you shouldn't have a problem with providing evidence for all that? After all you wouldn't brazenly lie without having evidnece on hand would you? You wouldn't be that stupid and that insolent right?

So what the problem darling?