Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?

I don't know of any testimony that would contradict those from the 1949 trial - please show me if you have any

A very good article here:



foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/12/polands-historical-revisionism-is-pushing-it-into-moscows-arms-smolensk-kaczynski-pis-law-justice-holocaust-law/

a manipulation even in the title - at least I see it as such - Kaczyński is the most remote person to an Russian apologist I know

Or independent reportage, something PiS hate.


Have you actually been following the thread?

To repeat the question for a sixth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

I haven't seen any of the kind you keep on mentioning - please quote it

I bring up? Have you been following the thread that you're pathetically trying to derail? Or read any of the links here to articles about the censorship scxandal?

It won't go away you know...

To repeat the question for a seventh time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

I have just read the thread through and I never found anybody mention testimonies that contradict those given in the 1949 trial of Malinowski - if you have just quote it

That's what the thread is about. It's all in the links. Did you read them beyond their titles?

There's plenty yet to come over this PiS led attempt to silence historians. The next few months should be very interesting.

I read this link you posted just now -esiemiatycze.pl/artykul/dziadkowice-ydom-zamordowanych-w-okolicy-malinowa/398174 and it is exactly the Edward Malinowski whom the libel case involved who explained that it was some other Pole who denounced hiding Jews - read carefully - there are no testimonies against Edward Malinowski in the article - maybe your Polish skills need a little honing Jon

Follow the thread carefully. Read the various other links from myself and others.

There'll be plenty enough added as the scandal develops.

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

Spot on, matey! History's always in search of victims, the weak link (no pun intended) on the wheel of causality. Once, it was the Jews, today the Muslims, tomorrow? Who knows for certain?

@jon357

so ok - i read the Deutche Welle link - and it states that one of the survivors who was helped by Edward Malinowski claims that he was instrumental in the deaths of several dozens of other Jews - how do you reconcile this? - there were other Jews who survived the war thanks to Malinowski as the 1949 (or 1950) trial found - how do you reconcile this

Does it need to be "reconciled" by you or I?

Just because someone allegedly did something good according to a witness, do you think that excludes the possibility of them also allegedly doing something bad according to a witness?

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

you know what - my guess is the witness who claimed that Malinowski helped to kill other Jews never actually witnessed it as the e-siemiatycze link makes me think

I'll answer you with an example - what if after you die somebody prints somewhere that you raped little children - would your children be happy with it

It's irrelevant.

If something's material to a historical investigation a historian can quote what a witness says about it. And btw, Malinowski doesn't have living children.

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

do you also think kapuscinski and viktor sucorov are historians? I've seen their books all ver Polish emptik as well...

Is this Polands official pro nazi or nazi excuse theory?

historum.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-viktor-suvorovs-theory.74451/

Victor Suvorov had access to written sources no western historian would ever dream of -even if he wasn't a historian by education - you Russophile - later he just connected the dots

you should read a real history book rather than Viktor

historum.com/threads/what-do-you-think-about-viktor-suvorovs-theory.74451/

please read th responses here. or google Viktor Suvorov debunked. It is a less realistic theory than Poland antagonizing Hitler by not giving Gdańsk corridor and killing ethnic Germans at Bloomberg. This fuy is more credible than Viktor Suvorov:

bitchute.com/video/TI9gdhlFUpv8/

Its funny how Polish pople hate th guy above /\ or th invisible critic but love Viktor Suvorov because of their sick russophobia and jelouse of a greater country.

eteknix.com/google-chrome-end-support-old-amd-intel-cpus/amp/

you should read a real history book rather than Viktor Suvorov or whatever pie propaganda thwt comes out of poland these days:

eteknix.com/google-chrome-end-support-old-amd-intel-cpus/amp/

he actually wrote a book that rfuts your Polish ho Viktor Suvorov:

amazon.com/Stumbling-Colossus-World-Modern-Studies/dp/0700617892

"Effectively refutes the charge--recently rehabilitated by Viktor Suvorov in Icebreaker--that Stalin was secretly planning an offensive war against Hitler during 1941. With his previous book When Titans Clashed and this latest contribution, David Glantz has established firmly his reputation as the preeminent historian of the Soviet Army."--Mark von Hagen, author of Soldiers in the Proletarian Dictatorship

So what? I mean what is your argument? You think it was so therefore that is the correct version by the virtue of your want? Eye witness could lie. Couldn't they? Do they remember events from 70 years ago well? Maybe they are dead and all you got is hearsay. You want to play? That is the game that both sides can play.


There is. There is a German 'version' and there is a Jewish 'version' and there some other 'versions'. Some are less biased and truthful than others.

Currently there is a one 'version' that is prevalent in the west - the Jewish 'version'.
As usual so called historical truth is a victim of political and financial greed. Nevertheless if a one is so inclined it is possible to find some truthful summaries of those sad times.


Hey there is one and only approved version of the Holocaust.
Don't tell me you don't know.
Everybody and sundry are guilty or guilty by association except for those countries that hold too much political, financial and military cloud. Ergo Poland is guilty by definition. No wonder really you should know that reality delph if you are weak they will bully you as they can get away with it.

Can you blame naive people in Poland and their attempts at talking about such trivial unimportant details like the truth, facts and context? Not to mention Polish victims of the death camps.

Poland is no more "guilty by association" than you or I! Poland was a mere pawn of the Nazis, forced into submission. Their record immediately post-War's anothdr matter.

You must be unaware. There is not doubt that Poland is guilty one way or the other. Otherwise all that noise in the NYT and here and there wouldn't be on the menu - not to mention an extorsion.


Wow, OK just for you. Post - war Poland was a mere pawn of the Soviets, forced into submission.

I simply meant that certain segments of Polish society were in fact Nazi flunkies, however, this clearly was a minority!

@Lyzko
Just like criminals (which they became btw, the flunkies that is), prostitutes, communists, fascists, falangists and butterfly collectors

None of them were chosen, elected or even accepted as representatives of the Polish society at large. So whenever this topic in general is taken up, to any Pole... It's like talking about Iglo building on top of skyscrapers in North America 50 years ago... and? Even if somebody was able to do it, why is that relevant or even remotely interesting?

Such people exist. The problem is when people pretend they don't.


And the danger is when nationalists believe that the behaviour of some reflects on all and try to manipulate the narrative.

"You must be unaware. There is not doubt that Poland is guilty one way or the other. Otherwise all that noise in the NYT and here and there wouldn't be on the menu - not to mention an extorsion."

look up the word pot calling kettle black. its called being a hypocryte how you guys and your govt talk **** on Ukrainians and make movies about how you were victims of them or others or Yalta but look down on other nations or don't care what others went through or don't look at your own ****. all Ukrainians weren't guilty as well so what makes you think Polish were? That's like saying all Germans were nazis or killers how does you pointing fingers at others excuse you guys on the Jewish what you did?

@jon357
I agree it's a problem if people say they don't exist. Cause they do, blowing their numbers out of proportions however is another problem also as it has more to do with fear rather then the truth.

Depends how you speak and what you say to a nationalist, if you are using broad collective cultural/national terms. Of course they will take it personal, many nationalists have fewer social circles, emotional attachments then normal people have. Lost family members or even sidelined by their own family, finding a collective attachment either through political rallies or soccer matches. Just look at soccer hooligans and their social aspects and connections.

So whenever a person is talking to a nationalist/patriot who has a strong attachment to their nation/country, you bet they will take it personal if you are stirring their view of how his/her society is. Even more so when done in a hostile manner or if it's perceived like an attack... Automatic self-defense mechanisms activate

That should never be a paradigm restricting academic research.


They don't get to call the shots. There are no grounds for "taking it personally" within research and historiography.

*facepalm*
There is a difference between publishing anything in a newspaper and publishing scientifically approved content through a scientific journal.

Also whether it's approved at a university level or not.

Content you read on the internet should always be taken with a grain of salt. Especially Wikipedia,

And if you AGAIN think I am for restricting academic research then AGAIN I need to remind you I am not a supporter of it. Take your grudges to any PiS member if that riles you so much

The work in question was published by academic historians. Nationalistic organisations are abusing the law by sponsoring a lawsuit to attempt to restrict academic freedom.


Is largely irrelevant.