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Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression?


Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
11 Feb 2021 #151
@jon357
When you write nationalistic organizations (when it comes to Poland) which are you talking about? As far as I am aware there are no nationalistic powers currently ruling in Poland. You talking about some other country?
Strzelec35 20 | 1,115
11 Feb 2021 #152
what about the MMA clubs though in Poland? I've noticed MMA clubs are filled with people wearing hooligan gear? What's the point of it to fit in with the hooligans are fellow training partners at the gym? I don't get it guys. someone explain it to me. is it the same crowd and it's i possible to even train MMA with normal people in Poland or are they diff people just wear similar shirts with stuff like Widzew hooligans on there just for kicks?
jon357 67 | 16,836
11 Feb 2021 #153
nationalistic organizations

Didn't you see who sponsored the lawsuit.

there are no nationalistic powers

Really?
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
11 Feb 2021 #154
@jon357
I have no interest in the lawsuit... why you are so concerned about is beyond me.

PiS is a socially-conservative party. As far as I know it's the only ruling party in Poland (the government). If there is a broader coalition in the government I haven't heard or read about it.
jon357 67 | 16,836
11 Feb 2021 #155
I have no interest in the lawsuit.

Yet you're posting in a thread about it...

concerned about is beyond me.

Is academics freedom important or not?

As far as I know it's the only ... I haven't heard or read about it.

Don't be obtuse. It doesn't reflect well on you.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957
11 Feb 2021 #156
@jon357
If the thread would about the lawsuit, it would be in the thread category "LAW" not history. So I'll still consider it as a thread about the event itself during World War Two, wether or not to talk about it doesn't have anything to do about laws, filesuits or political mud throwing. So if the thread is in the wrong section I'll lose my interest as my interests are mostly reserved for history threads. Bye bye and see you another day
jon357 67 | 16,836
11 Feb 2021 #157
If the thread would about the lawsuit, it would be in the thread category "LAW"

The thread is about the lawsuit, and no, it wouldn't be.

I'll lose my interest a

The issue is still very much ongoing so there may well be developments to whet it again.
Poloniusz 4 | 391
11 Feb 2021 #158
Nazi flunkies

That is you Zydko. You are the Nazi flunky.

You have a long and undeniable posting history of spewing contemptible anti-Polish sentiment worthy of a Third Reich rally.

Your roaring bigotry against Poland and Poles obviously comes from your ancestors who were clearly unrepentant Nazi flunkies too.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
11 Feb 2021 #159
Again, the nation which gave us Szopen, Mickiewicz, Wajda, Pilecki, Wójtyla, and Karski, also gave us Roman Dmowski, Moscicki, and Rydz-Smigly! Every country has her black sheep, Poloniusz.
Poloniusz 4 | 391
11 Feb 2021 #160
Roman Dmowski and Rydz-Smigly!

It's no surprise to see a Nazi flunky like you decry the very existence of Polish national heroes.

By the way, why haven't your kind ever built monuments and memorials specifically to the White Christian males who liberated prisoners from all the Nazi concentration camps?

Clearly the absence of such landmarks is a glaring example of latent Nazi suppression continuing to this very day.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
11 Feb 2021 #161
Old news to me.
Poloniusz 4 | 391
11 Feb 2021 #162
Then you need to get busy and express your atonement and make up for lost time by starting funding raising campaigns to build them.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
11 Feb 2021 #163
You lost me.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
12 Feb 2021 #164
I simply meant that certain segments of Polish society

Yep, there is such a segment in any society and its called - wait for it - criminals. It must be a surprise for you, eh? As you have been born yesterday.

nationalists believe

Do not talk about something you have no clue about. Lets talk about commies and their collective ideologies and views.
( How can you be wrong almost every time? that is some kind of an achievement per se,. )

Is academics freedom important or not?

F them? Why are they worthy of an exception? I support freedom of speech for everyone!
On the other hand you support it only for those who agree with you and who belong to some special category like academics. It makes you a hypocrite.
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #165
Lets talk about commies

Why? They weren't involved at the time, nor are they in office now.

Why are they worthy of an exception? I support freedom of speech for everyone!

What exception. You're bizarrely contradicting yourself as usual.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
12 Feb 2021 #166
What exception.

The way you talk about it makes it look like you are asking for some exception or a privilege just because they are academics.
Academics or not their works and their ethics should be open to a scrutiny. Even law suits.

Why?

Because they have such a mindset , a collective mindset that doesn't recognize individuals outside of their class or gender or what have you.
They were involved very much at the time. ( I guess you mean WWII)
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #167
just because they are academic

So in fact you don't believe in:

freedom of speech for everyone!

They were involved very much at the time.

Not there, they weren't. It was under fascist occupation.
Ironside 50 | 10,910
12 Feb 2021 #168
So in fact you don't believe in:

I do. I believe it has consequences if someone want to sue someone else they should be able do that. You confuse a lawsuit with a censorship.

Anyway it is all theoretical as in the EU there is no freedom of speech.

It was under fascist occupation.

ah but the war it was their joint project, they very much enabled and instigated the WWII with their fascist kin. Soviets' were a good ally with Hitler till 1941. Wouldn't that be three years of the war - for some. ?
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #169
ou confuse a lawsuit with a censorship.

It's about a dead person with the same name as someone else in his village, and it's sponsored by a government proxy. That's censorship.

ally with Hitler till 1941

This relates to the period after that, as you well know.
Strzelec35 20 | 1,115
12 Feb 2021 #170
" ah but the war it was their joint project, they very much enabled and instigated the WWII with their fascist kin. Soviets' were a good ally with Hitler till 1941"

they weren't really an ally just a mutual cooperation partner. vicny France was much more of a closer partnership or an ally imo. get your history right.
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #171
I asked what do you base your opinion on IPN - and you said - oh even Wajda said IPN is baaad

The new head of the IPN in Wrocław:



jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #172
your prejudice against IPN

Shouldn't all decent people have at least some healthy prejudice against this?

But hey, you think this guy's organisation can be trusted in the matters of Malinowo and Jedwabne.



Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
12 Feb 2021 #173
@jon357
Polish neo nazis is something I thought I would never see.
Truly frightening.
These guys are nothing but "hooliganski".
They just love to fight.
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #174
Sadly the guy in the green teeshirt has just been appointed head of the Wroclaw branch of the IPN.

That development (and this lawsuit) just point even more to things going in a very dangerous direction.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
12 Feb 2021 #175
Wo, people! Poland was a truly mixed bag, and therefore, individual collaborationist tendencies notwithstanding
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
12 Feb 2021 #176
...it had the single largest resistance in Europe after France! Poland also NEVER had a pt goverment
jon357 67 | 16,836
12 Feb 2021 #177
Which makes the current shenanigans all the more sad.
OP Lyzko 29 | 7,245
12 Feb 2021 #179
Tito's Partisans were up there, along with Jean Moulin or those intrepid heroes of Telemark:-)
Strzelec35 20 | 1,115
13 Feb 2021 #180
yea and no one in Poland talks about them only Warsaw uprising all day by pis.

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