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Why does everyone seem to hate LOT Polish Airlines?


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25 Feb 2011 #121
IM A FLIGHT ATTENDANT FOR A MAJOR CARRIER AND HAVING FLOWN MANY AIRLINES ,I CAN HONESTLY SAY LOT LEAVES aLOT OT BE DESIRED , VERY POOR SERVICE , ARROGANT CREW , STALE PERSONALITIES YET PROFESSIONAL, OUTDATED INTERIOR CABIN , WE KNOW THE PLANE IS OLD BUT IT DOESNT HAVE TO LOOK IT , THEY SHOULD HAVE REFURBISHED THEM YEARS AGO , ANCIENT INFLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT AND EQUIPMENT AND THE MEALS ARE DISGUSTING , NO CONCEPT OF TIME WHATSOEVER , FLIGHTS ARE LATE AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE VERY FEW OF THE WIDEBODIES THEY DONT FIX THE LIL STUFF BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN DISRUPTING THE OPERATION , NUMEROUS TIMES MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY HAVE FLOWN ON THEM AND HAD BAD EXPERIENCES . MECHANICALS ARE FREQUENT BECAUSE THEY FLY THE **** OUT OF THOSE 6 767'S , LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 787 AND IF THEY DO UPDATE THE LIVERY I HOPE IT WILL BE NICE , IM POLISH AND WAS ALWAYS PROUD OF LOT AND ITS SERVICE BUT IN THE PAST 10 YEARS THEY HAVE DETERIORATED AND IT PAINS ME TO SAY SO .
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
25 Feb 2011 #122
IM A FLIGHT ATTENDANT FOR A MAJOR CARRIER

Know nothing about LOT but why are you yelling dear? The engines are idle... ;)
peterweg 37 | 2,319
25 Feb 2011 #123
Just wait till' they'll get them brand new Boeing 787 next year, then they'll be begging to fly LOT.

Maybe in a couple of years from now. Personally I would not fly on a 787 until its been in service for several years. Too many risking engineering design decisions for my liking.

All the complaints about LOT are due to the long delivery delays on the 787, they should have been in service three years ago.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
25 Feb 2011 #124
I've been traveling with LOT 2 times, and it was pretty good service.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
25 Feb 2011 #125
I must admit from the airlines I've flow in SAS (Scandinavian Airlines) had the most pleasant flight and best service .

Personally I would not fly on a 787 until its been in service for several years.

Would you prefer to keep flying on those old 767s ?
jonni 16 | 2,485
25 Feb 2011 #126
I've used LOT plenty of times - never any problems, decent food, nice service.

Though Saudia is my favourite, partly because what they save by not serving alcohol goes on the food budget!
guesswho 4 | 1,289
25 Feb 2011 #127
The Polish stewardesses were prettier though.

you must have got lucky that day ;-)
beckski 12 | 1,617
26 Feb 2011 #128
Bingo, I thought I was the only one who noticed their appearance.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #129
It's not that, they just hire old sea hags, they should hire young sexy girls many men even females pick a airline carrier to fly on just because of the sexy flight attendants.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
26 Feb 2011 #130
You do realise that they're there for safety, not to look at?

LOT is a State owned European company - they can hardly have the practices of Singapore Airlines, for example.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,441
26 Feb 2011 #131
You do realise that they're there for safety, not to look at?

good point indeed.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #132
You do realise that they're there for safety, not to look at?

You trying to say a pretty girl can't do the same job? she can be there for both safety and pleasing the eye. That's why most airlines look for young attractive girls, nothing wrong with that. If it's a national carrier like LOT it represents the country and what it has to offer.

" Virgin Atlantic has the most attractive flight attendants, says an industry survey.

The British carrier received 53% of the vote from 1,000 people surveyed by the Business Travel and Meetings Show, according to The Australian.

Singapore Airlines' cabin crew followed, receiving 18% of votes.

Others in the top 10, in ranking order: Etihad, Emirates, Aer Lingus, Lufthansa, Cathay Pacific, TAP, KLM and Iberia.

Posted Feb 10 2011 1:57PM"
travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/02/survey-virgin-atlantic-has-the-hottest-flight-attendants/142524/1
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #133
You trying to say a pretty girl can't do the same job? she can be there for both safety and pleasing the eye.

It's a good thing you're not responsible for hiring LOT cabin crew - the company would end up having to pay out soooo much to the plaintiffs' lawyers.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #134
Really i don't see airlines who share my view

Etihad, Emirates, Aer Lingus, Lufthansa, Cathay Pacific, TAP, KLM and Iberia.

paying any lawyers.
convex 20 | 3,978
26 Feb 2011 #135
It's a good thing you're not responsible for hiring LOT cabin crew - the company would end up having to pay out soooo much to the plaintiffs' lawyers.

It's not illegal to hire based on attractiveness.

My two cents on LOT... Service is alright, only had mechanical issues twice, and in both cases a second plane was available within an hour. No complaints really.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #136
If AerLingus, Lufthansa, KLM or Iberia had a policy of hiring

young attractive girls

they'd be bled dry by a combination of fines for criminal offenses and compensation from civil cases. And rightly so.

It's not illegal to hire based on attractiveness.

It is however illegal in Europe to hire based on age or gender unless there are compelling reasons for a post to be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. And almost since "attractiveness" has no bearing whatsoever on ability to do the job, there would be clear grounds for a civil lawsuit if they only hired "pretty" ones.

And rightly so. If Penn Boy wants to lech at the stweardesses, let him go to Spearmint Rhino instead.
convex 20 | 3,978
26 Feb 2011 #137
It is however illegal in Europe to hire based on age or gender unless there are compelling reasons for a post to be exempt from anti-discrimination laws. And almost since "attractiveness" has no bearing whatsoever on ability to do the job, there would be clear grounds for a civil lawsuit if they only hired "pretty" ones.

Unless it's written into the job description. Same goes for hiring models.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #138
Nonsense. Cabin crew aren't models or Playboy Bunnies whose role is connected to their looks.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #139
If AerLingus, Lufthansa, KLM or Iberia had a policy of hiring
PennBoy:
young attractive girls

Well of course it can't be the official policy that would be discrimination but alot of airlines do it anyway. If the airline does the training (as it usually is) it decides who is passes and who doesn't. Can a lawyer prove the flight attendant wasn't hired because of her looks when officially (even if it wasn't the case) she failed. There's ways to go around it.

Training Language Height and weight Uniforms and presentation These requirements and intertwined with appearance and attractiveness. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_attendant#Height_and_weight
convex 20 | 3,978
26 Feb 2011 #140
Nonsense. Cabin crew aren't models or Playboy Bunnies whose role is connected to their looks.

Not in your mind, but you're not writing job descriptions. They are contact points for customers, and as such, hiring criteria can be based on attractiveness. There is nothing in European or Polish law that says otherwise.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #141
that would be discrimination

Damn right it would.

Can a lawyer prove the flight attendant wasn't hired because of her looks

You've a lot to learn about lawyers.

There's ways to go around it.
Training Language Height and weight Uniforms and presentation These requirements and intertwined with appearance and attractiveness

So how are training and language "intertwined" (LOL) with "appearance and attractivenes"?
Even "height and weight" don't preclude being as ugly as sin.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #142
Didn't mean all of them are shouldn't have posted that, oops. Of course height and weight is, tall and thin looks good everyone knows that it adds to the girls face. I don't think any of these women are below 170cm and fat.

youtube.com/watch?v=wFRGKBrmgjY
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #143
everyone knows that it adds to the girls face

Right, "everyone knows"!!. Very scientific!!! On the wikipedia page that you managed to find, (I happened to read it yesterday, coincidentally), you'll notice it has a height range (and how that's related to the physical conditions of the aircraft) and a little something about BMI. Nothing to do with "attractiveness".
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #144
HAHAHA right, well how convenient that the height, weight and general appearance "safety" requirements fit comfortably into what is the commonly accepted idea of beauty. That's why they're having these "ugly" girls pose and represent their airlines.

youtube.com/watch?v=ytVj93gneek
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #145
And he really does keep coming back for more!

height, weight and general appearance "safety" requirements... commonly accepted idea of beauty

Are you really saying that fulfilling those requirements somehow ensures beauty or precludes ugliness?

hat's why they're having these "ugly" girls pose and represent their airlines.

Now you're contradicting yourself as usual, as a few minutes ago you yourself squeaked:

they just hire old sea hags

PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #146
Are you really saying that fulfilling those requirements somehow ensures beauty?

Well if a girl has a pretty face but is a short and fat it makes her look uglier doesn't it, being tall and thin brings out her full potential highlighting her attributes, including face.

Now you're contradicting yourself as usual, as a few minutes ago you yourself squeaked:

Well if you actually read what i wrote you see that I was talking about LOT flight attendants

you must have got lucky that day ;-)

Bingo, I thought I was the only one who noticed their appearance.

It's not that, they just hire old sea hags, they should hire young sexy girls many men even females pick a airline carrier to fly on just because of the sexy flight attendants.

Like i said READ
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #147
short and fat it makes her look uglier doesn't it, being tall and thin brings out her full potential highlighting her attributes

We aren't talking about short and fat. Those guys/women can't become cabin crews. We're talking about facially attractive. But you seem to have got a bit confused about that.

I was talking about LOT flight attendants

I should hope so, since this thread's about LOT.
Poland joined the EU a few years after you fled - and in the EU, there has to be a very good reason to deny someone a job on the basis of arbitrary factors. Which brings us full circle, doesn't it...
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #148
We aren't talking about short and fat. Those guys/women can't become cabin crews. We're talking about facially attractive. But you seem to have got a bit confused about that.

You're the one who's confused. I don't know in what other way to explain it to you. A fat face doesn't look as good as it would if it was thin, and if you see a girl with a pretty face and notice she's a "MIDGET" you wont think she's a hot as if she was tall, you feel disappointed. Being thin and tall makes the girl's face look better, get it?

I should hope so, since this thread's about LOT.

Don't change the subject you didn't read, you were wrong.
jonni 16 | 2,485
26 Feb 2011 #149
A fat face doesn't look as good as it would if it was thin, and if you see a girl with a pretty face and notice she's a "MIDGET

Who's talking about fat faces or "midgets". Show me a "midget", whatever that is, working as cabin crew.

Don't change the subject

That is the subject, and you are as always both wrong and displaying the stupidity we have come to expect. The point is that you said that only "beautiful women" should become cabin crew. LMAO
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
26 Feb 2011 #150
Who's talking about fat faces or "midgets". Show me a "midget", whatever that is, working as cabin crew.

Dude that's what i was talking about and you contradicting, I said they should hire pretty sexy girls you said no it's discrimination and airlines dont do that they hire everybody, now you're saying show me a ugly cabin crew member.

That is the subject

Jesus you gotta be the dumbest **** on this forum, READ what is being discussed on that post don't let your mind wonder off, if you can. If you go back carefully you'll notice it was my response to that wrong statement you've made. I said that I was talking about Polish (LOT) flight attendants NOT all in general.

to all, please keep it civil


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