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Rumor about racism - will I be fine in Poland as a black International student from Africa?


Miguel Colombia - | 351
20 May 2010 #121
as soon as there is a right-wing majority in EU parliament.

You mean ,never?
convex 20 | 3,978
20 May 2010 #122
I said i a million times before, i have nothing against blacks and arabs who stay in their own territories. I only have problems with them if they come to Europe because it is Kaukasian territory.

Has nothing to do with race, but the type of person. People who come over and bust their ass and integrate, I'd be happy to call them neighbor. I would gladly trade some of worthless folks around here for them.
jarnowa 4 | 499
20 May 2010 #123
People who come over and bust their ass and integrate, I'd be happy to call them neighbor.

Even if they are integrated, they are still a major problem. Welfare benefits, stealing jobs, stealing women, etc.

I posted a un report about Cameroonese of which 90% are unfaithfull to their partner. You want such a guy as your neighbour when you are working and your wife is at home?
SouthMancPolak - | 104
20 May 2010 #124
About 0.8% of Africa's population, or 7.5 million out of 1 billion, is white of European descent

So 99.2% of Africa is non-white, yet there are absolutely no "calls" from the usual "liberals" for more multiculturalism in Africa! If multiculturalism "improves" Europe, then why doesn't it "improve "Africa?

Also, a significant proportion of those whites you mention above are likely to live in the RSA. Whereas here in the UK, we've probably got close to 7.5 million non-whites in a population of only 61 MILLION! I rest my case.

Interesting stat about whites in Africa, tell me, is that number growing or shrinking? The middle class has long since left, tired of being targeted for being white. The rich and the poor are still there for their own reasons of course.

I think we would be hard-pushed to find anywhere in Europe where blacks are being slaughtered and thrown off their land because it's "white land". The same cannot be said about certain African countries where whites have settled, unfortunately.
ShawnH 8 | 1,507
20 May 2010 #125
I think we would be hard-pushed to find anywhere in Europe where blacks are being slaughtered and thrown off their land because it's "white land".

Give it a little time.... :-)
paulinska 9 | 86
21 May 2010 #126
So it can be stopped as soon as there is a right-wing majority in EU parliament.

Thats why there's a criteria for getting into parliament or even becoming a Minister - these people are more sensible and reasonable than the ordinary - que jarnowa. Thats why they're entrusted with decision making and policy implementations. Now we all know what the UN stands for.

We all have dreams, there's nothing wrong with having this dream Jarnowa, unfortunately a dream is what it is - just a dream. Reality does bite though, does it?

If you are found illegal in Europe we can put you in a freight plane to Africa, no problem.

Thats the whole point - People are here legitimately - Study, work, settle etc! I see your planes leaving for Africa full of tourists and expats!

This i have answered too, you have problems reading due to your low IQ or what?

I really dont give a rat's ass what your reasons were - you're a foreigner and i repeat NOT POLISH! You would stand a chance to be listened to if you protested in your OWN country. Now you're being so mouthy abt foreigners and yet you're just one of them. Low IQ? thats very irrelevant! i know who i am, the question is, Do you know who you're?

How about this, say that Poland put a law on the books that said that 51% of your workforce had to be white, I take it you'd be ok with that?

Ofcos, but thats what it is anyway! Law or no Law - European companies employee more indigenous folks than foreigners, i would say abt 75% never mind 51%. The whole point is Local people have to be considered for jobs first. Its different in SA simply b'se blacks are the majority but till that employment law was passed, they're hardly considered for jobs.

Like i said, it's one of the challenges that Africa as a continent faces b'se its home to 3 human races. Here in Europe it's just no brainer! I insist, It's not abt Race, It's abt nationality. As a European, you wont have the same rights as a white African in Africa, End of!

I posted a un report about Cameroonese of which 90% are unfaithfull to their partner. You want such a guy as your neighbour when you are working and your wife is at home?

This is a social issue - Why do you expect your neighbour to sort out your household problems. If you're man enough then this shouldnt happen really. If and if you Looked after your missus properly, i doubt she would go looking over your neighbours' fences. And again your personal failure is always going to be someone else's fault. very typical!

South Africa has a very high level of crime. Crime is the primary security threat for travellers.

Crime rate is not a bespoke issue to the poorer countries per say. It's very simple, Unemployment rate is relative to crime rate and this applies all over the world. Look at whats happening in Greece and Spain at the moment. So as soon as the local people get into active working - have people like convex adopt a broader investement mindset, then crime rate will reciprocate.
jarnowa 4 | 499
21 May 2010 #127
Thats why there's a criteria for getting into parliament or even becoming a Minister - these people are more sensible and reasonable than the ordinary - que jarnowa. Thats why they're entrusted with decision making and policy implementations.

Now we all know what the UN stands for.
We all have dreams, there's nothing wrong with having this dream Jarnowa, unfortunately a dream is what it is - just a dream. Reality does bite though, does it?

It's not a neutral organisation, it's a socialist pro-immigration institute. When EU would close the borders for muslims or 3rd world people in general, the UN will cry about a violation of human rights, not giving a sh#t about people in Europe who have to suffer the problems caused by 3rd world immigrants. I can't take them seriously.

Thats the whole point - People are here legitimately - Study, work, settle etc! I see your planes leaving for Africa full of tourists and expats!

I was talking about those who are illegal even according to the current left-wing immigration laws. It says a lot about you that you don't want these illegals to be deported to their own countries.

This i have answered too, you have problems reading due to your low IQ or what?

I really dont give a rat's ass what your reasons were - you're a foreigner and i repeat NOT POLISH! You would stand a chance to be listened to if you protested in your OWN country. Now you're being so mouthy abt foreigners and yet you're just one of them. Low IQ? thats very irrelevant! i know who i am, the question is, Do you know who you're?

Migrating between EU countries is completely different because inner EU borders are open which is supported by a large majority of European people, unlike 3rd world migration to EU.

This is a social issue - Why do you expect your neighbour to sort out your household problems. If you're man enough then this shouldnt happen really. If and if you Looked after your missus properly, i doubt she would go looking over your neighbours' fences. And again your personal failure is always going to be someone else's fault. very typical!

So even if the facts show that some groups are more criminal (see W-Europe crime statistics) or have looser sexual values and more std's (source: UN reports) you still point the finger to people who don't want to welcome these people in their territory? You clown! :D
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
21 May 2010 #128
people in Europe who have to suffer the problems caused by 3rd world immigrants.

So tell us the truth, you were dumped by a girl for an African fella and you are venting your sexual frustrations on these forums, right?

Thats the whole point - People are here legitimately - Study, work, settle etc! I see your planes leaving for Africa full of tourists and expats!

I was talking about those who are illegal

She wasn't you twit.

Migrating between EU countries is completely different because...

Because you are an immigrant living in Poland.

So even if the facts show that some groups are more criminal (see W-Europe crime statistics)

Link?
jarnowa 4 | 499
21 May 2010 #129
people in Europe who have to suffer the problems caused by 3rd world immigrants.

It's more interesting why you always behave like an ostrich when we are talking about 3rd world immigrants. You really don't see that crime, sexual harrassment, misuse of social securirty, violence etc. have increased in every country that was so stupid to let in more than a few 3rd world immigrants?

Link?

You know i'm telling the truth, so i don't see a point in googling them.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
21 May 2010 #130
You know i'm telling the truth, so i don't see a point in googling them.

No link?
You will have to excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
jarnowa 4 | 499
21 May 2010 #131
Maybe you can answer the same question that i asked your black brotha paulinska:

even if the facts show that some groups are more criminal (see W-Europe crime statistics) or have looser sexual values and more std's (source: UN reports) you still point the finger to people who don't want to welcome these people in their territory?

SeanBM 35 | 5,808
21 May 2010 #132
even if the facts show that some groups are more criminal (see W-Europe crime statistics)

You haven't shown that.

or have looser sexual values

Than who, Southern?

more std's

How would a poor person, with little education know about STDs?

you still point the finger to people who don't want to welcome these people in their territory?

You are an immigrant living in Poland, you are not even Slavic.
You are here because of the E.U., it's not a white or black thing, it's not even a Europe thing, it's an E.U. thang.

I am also an immigrant :)

I know you can only talk about races and your hatred for them, so I am gonna stop this chat for tonight.

why don't you just go out and get yourself a nice woman instead of complaining all the time, it's a turn off you know.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
22 May 2010 #133
No link?

Ive given you the links before. America-Holland-GB-Ireland, the result is still the same. Non-whites on top.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
22 May 2010 #135
Crime stats and unemployment figures.
jarnowa 4 | 499
22 May 2010 #136
You haven't shown that.

By googling just 1 minute i already found a very interesting result. This one is for Netherlands but the situation for Belgium and other countries in Western Europe is very similar:

Based on the overall number of Antilleans residing in the Netherlands, Antilleans appear to have the highest crime rates for all types of crime.

...

Moroccans, who have the highest overall crime rates after the Antilleans

...

Apart from the immigrant groups mentioned above also Sub-Saharan Africans, people coming from Arab countries, East Europeans, South Asians and Latin Americans are suspected of crimes considerably above average.

What especially catches the eye is the relatively high rate of property crimes committed by East Europeans, the high sex-offence rate of Sub-Saharan Africans, immigrants from Arab Countries and South Asians and the high drugs crime rate of Latin Americans.

Western immigrants, South-East Asians, East Asians and native Dutch people have crime rates below the Dutch average.

source: english.justitie.nl/currenttopics/pressreleases/archives2007/investiga tion-ethnicity-and-types-of-crime.aspx?cp=35&cs=1578&action=0

How would a poor person, with little education know about STDs?

In Africa, thanks to Western aid, condoms are free or very cheap and everyone is educated about STD's. So i'm sure it's not the education or the lack of condoms, it's choosing to do risky things like having unprotected (anal) sex, cheating on their partners, animal sex.

you are not even Slavic.

Unfortunately not, but i'm European so i have more rights to live in Europe than any person from ME or Africa.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #137
Ive given you the links before.America-Holland-GB-Ireland, the result is still the same. Non-whites on top.

Are you under the delusion that I read every bit of crap you write?
You are a manipulator, do a day's work and get back to us.

Apart from the immigrant groups mentioned above also Sub-Saharan Africans, people coming from Arab countries, East Europeans

What especially catches the eye is the relatively high rate of property crimes committed by East Europeans,

And just out of curiosity, do you think they include Poland when they talk about Eastern Europeans?

In Africa, thanks to Western aid, condoms are free or very cheap and everyone is educated about STD's.

Rubbish.

cheating on their partners, animal sex.

You do have a fertile imagination. Sure you're not just missing your girlfriend who dumped you for an African fella?
jarnowa 4 | 499
22 May 2010 #138
And just out of curiosity, do you think they include Poland when they talk about Eastern Europeans?

Now this is ridiculous. Every time i mentioned the ugly facts about some groups, you denied it and accused me of racism or you're asked for links.

Now that i've given reliable evidence, you see that you failed and instead of admitting and apologizing, all you can do is start talking about the only white group that is mentioned in this report.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #139
I don't owe you an apology, I asked for links and now I am asking you about the information you provided, you twit.
richasis 1 | 420
22 May 2010 #140
So, you cannot be bothered...

I don't owe you an apology, I asked for links

by the very thing you ask for.

jarnowa:
In Africa, thanks to Western aid, condoms are free or very cheap and everyone is educated about STD's.

Rubbish.

Rubbish?

Britain sends South Africa 42m condoms in HIV fight before World Cup
Britain is to give 42m condoms to South Africa in response to a request for an extra billion as part of an HIV prevention drive before the World Cup, the government will announce today.

The request for British help in stockpiling sufficient condoms for the expected influx of thousands of football supporters in three months' time was made during President Jacob Zuma's recent visit to the UK to meet the Queen.

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/condoms-south-africa-world-cup

HIV and AIDS in Africa
Condoms play a key role in preventing HIV infection around the world. In sub-Saharan Africa, most countries have seen an increase in condom use in recent years. In studies carried out between 2001 and 2005, eight out of eleven countries in sub-Saharan Africa reported an increase in condom use.

The distribution of condoms to countries in sub-Saharan Africa has also increased: in 2004 the number of condoms provided to this region by donors was the equivalent of 10 for every man,8 compared to 4.6 for every man in 2001.

avert.org/hiv-aids-africa.htm
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #141
So, you cannot be bothered...

Can't be bothered going through all of his posts? no I can't, can you?

by the very thing you ask for.

How do I owe him an apology?

Rubbish?

Show me that everyone is educated about STDs in Africa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thabo_Mbeki#AIDS

And that's the president, so you are telling me that all the people of Africa are educated about STDs? pull the other one, you can ship as many condoms as you like, it won't make a blind bit of difference without education.
A J 4 | 1,088
22 May 2010 #142
Jarnowa: Yes, in comparison the crime rates of the Moroccan and Antillian group are procentually higher than the crime rates of the Dutch group. But! We're talking about small groups of people here. I live in Holland, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that one of the ugly facts is also that the Polish are the largest group of immigrants, who also happen to have the highest crime rates of all the other groups when it comes to burglary and robbery. Eastern Europeans (Not only the Polish!) are also infamous here for women-trafficking, and they share this position with Arabians.

Spare me your links from the homepage of our justice department, because I can give you incredibly detailed graphics and statistics, along with the exact numbers of which nationalities, and an exact description of which crimes have been committed by whom from the CBS. (Central Bureau of Statistics.)

So if you wish to talk about the truth, then you shouldn't point your finger at one group in particular, but be prepared to look into a mirror aswell. And don't get me wrong, I can admit to criticism about the Dutch aswell if it's truthful. That said, I really hope you'll see that there are usually two sides to every story, because Arabians and Antillians aren't always treated right here, which basically means they get humiliated in public very often, and that they won't be able to get a job if it's up to a lot of people.

If they can get a job, it's usually a job no one else wants to do. Even when they have better qualifications. How would you feel if you were treated like that? Would you feel like being a part of our society? Would you feel appreciated here? Would you feel respected? I don't think so. I think you'd feel like a slave, disrespected, and I think you'd be angry at all the people who treat you like that. Nothing good will come of that. Bad apples? Every group of people has a few bad apples, and when certain groups of people have more bad apples than other groups, it's time to ask yourself why, because this usually means there's a reason.

;)
richasis 1 | 420
22 May 2010 #143
Show me that everyone is educated about STDs in Africa.

Everybody? Who's RESPONSIBILITY is that? The West's? You mean, Africans are not capable of taking care of themselves?

And, what to make of the rampant incidence of HIV/AIDS among Blacks in the West? I dare say this is a BEHAVIORAL ISSUE:

Black Americans account for more HIV and AIDS cases, people estimated to be living with AIDS, and HIV-related deaths than any other racial/ethnic group in the U.S. Today, Black Americans make up about 12 percent of the U.S. population, but account for half of all new AIDS cases. And, despite medical advances which have sharply reduced HIV-related mortality rates for all racial/ethnic groups, HIV death rates are still significantly higher for Black Americans than other groups.

kff.org/hivaids/7660.cfm

Apparently, no matter how much time, effort and money is expended, there is no helping those who cannot help themselves.

Look, I'm just as compassionate as the next guy, but this line of thinking can only lead to increased dependency and liability.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #144
Everybody? Who's RESPONSIBILITY is that? The West's? You mean, Africans are not capable of taking care of themselves?

What are you talking about?
Where did I say it was the West's responsibility? you're talking about or to someone else there.

Look, I'm just as compassionate as the next guy, but this line of thinking can only lead to increased dependency and liability.

What line of thinking? what are you talking about?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
22 May 2010 #145
Where did I say it was the West's responsibility?

AIDs has risen by 400% in Ireland over the last decade, due to mass immigration from sub saharan africa. Black Africans make up just 1% of the population, but 10% of the prison population. Black africans are 1200% more likely to be on welfare, when compared to their Irish counterparts.

The joys of "diversity", "vibrancy", and "enrichment".

Still, diversity darlings such as yourself claim that "we need these people".
richasis 1 | 420
22 May 2010 #146
Admittedly, I'm coming into this conversation a bit late (and following a new thread can be difficult). I think I understand now what you were saying.

To be fair, I believe jarnowa's point was that efforts by the West are laudable - despite the behavioral patterns of some peoples (regardless of race):

South Africa was once a crown jewel of Africa (pun intended) - that is, before the racist, Marxist ANC took the helm from those 'evil-doer' Apartheidists.
jarnowa 4 | 499
22 May 2010 #147
the highest crime rates of all the other groups when it comes to burglary and robbery.

Maybe burglary, but i'm sure moroccans and blacks are still the nr. 1 when it comes to street/home/shop robberies. So i'm sure you can't give us a reliable source.

I lived in Rotterdam for 6-7 years and i know that Arabs and Antillians do get a lot of help finding jobs, benefits and houses. Even when they are criminal they can count on help from government and they hardly get punished for crimes. Goverment is only tough on companies who refuse them jobs. And if a muslim girl decides to wear islamic clothes when the job doesn't allow for that, she will get huge financial compensation if she gets fired. Racism in Netherlands is even lower than in Belgium, so all in all you really can't blame society for the high crime rates among them.

And my point is, given the fact that 3rd world immigrants are even a major problem in countries that treat them very well, you know that the root cause of the problem is the immigrants and not society.

If you think about this, do you really want Poland to be the next country to suffer from multiculturalism?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #148
So nothing no? just more finger pointing and placing blame, well done.
Unfortunately, my brain deficient compadre, it has nothing to do with me NOT saying it is the West's responsibility for the lack of education of African countries about STDs.

Admittedly, I'm coming into this conversation a bit late (and following a new thread can be difficult). I think I understand now what you were saying.

Why did you quote me?
I really don't understand what you are trying to say.

ANC took the helm from those 'evil-doer' Apartheidists.

Without Apartheid there would be no ANC, it is an unfortunate by-product.
Or are you defending apartheid?

i'm sure moroccans and blacks are still the nr. 1 when it comes to street/home/shop robberies.

Link?
Again you'll have to excuse me for not taking your word for it.
jarnowa 4 | 499
22 May 2010 #149
Link?
Again you'll have to excuse me for not taking your word for it.

There is no point in giving more evidence because you simply ignore everything that doesn't fit your world view.

richasis: you are right. :)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
22 May 2010 #150
the root cause of the problem is the immigrants and not society.

Explain this.

There is no point in giving more evidence because you simply ignore everything that doesn't fit your world view.

or perhaps because the evidence you posted points the finger at Eastern Europeans, which you happily over look.

I tell you what, why don't we just deport all the poor people, eh RN, you can then tell us all about how much your watch is worth, unfortunately you'll probably die from a toilet related virus because according to you there'll be noone to clean your toilet.

Poor people do desperate things, it's not news, it is not even new and it has happened to practically ever people at some stage throughout their history.


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