75 Years of Israel and the War - part 2

This shouldn't be possible.

The wonders of American democracy.

When in Russia we try to introduce laws that would force people to identify as foreign agents, we get sanctioned.

No joke.

Can't even run things inside our country without the US showing up to read lectures.

Well, in your country even the Goethe Institute is a foreign agent.

It's a simple law - if you get most of your money from outside - you must register.

The people that are forced to register cry that it is unfair and discriminatory... I don't understand.

If you think taking foreign money and being transparent about it makes you suspicious to average Russians - maybe you should learn to make your message more attractive to Russians, so they give you money instead?

This idea that America and Britain somehow care more about the wellbeing of Russian citizens than the Russian government itself, is a little absurd, no?

Why?

Yes, but Bibi is proof that Hitler wasn't 100% wrong all the time.

Because we don't want our government to be fully bought by outsiders like yours allowed itself to be (by us, and Arabs, and Chinese).

In totality, it is longer and more complex than the NYC subway. If you believe Israeli government sources. lol!
In that case, they should change their vocation and offer their tunnel-digging abilities for sale.
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Maybe but sadly it will go right into German producers of some doomsday climate change junk. I would rather that con would not involve Poland.

Why should we pay for your welfare checks?
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Come on you say that the German government found Hamas? At the same time, it is known that Germany NGS had been founding people smuggling enterprises and those illegals landing on European shores from the south are their pride and achievements. What the hell is wrong with you people?

Matter of wording, even if some of them are there it is a fact that a different fraction rules the West Bank and has nothing to do with attacks on Israel. By the way, are those claims of yours about Hamas in the Western banks based on sources from the Israeli government (that includes Fox News and other mainstream US media as well as European media)?

If that is the case you should know that an Israeli person is full of innocent people from the streets of the West Bank and charged with terrorism without a shred of evidence.

Not to mention that as we speak Arabs in the west back are being killed - shot down by Israeli military. And all your American president and politicians are doing asking Bbi do you suck your dick hard enough. So there!

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The PLO accepted the so called two state solution, what you are talking about is Israeli and US propaganda about the failure to agree how it would look.

The compliant US media have for decades repeated this lie.

@Bobko
That definition has been promoted around the world and was recently used as a bludgeon for party political reasons in the UK. The definition attempts to equate world Jewry with Israel, there is nothing Jewish about Israel.

@Lazarus
Clearly I don't like Bibi and I'm not alone even in Israel, but that's a tad strong.

Insanity (def.) - Israelis accepting those who want to kill them as next-door neighbors.
Super insanity - As above plus no right to visit the neighbors to check what they are up to.

Is being a standup comedian your secret dream?

Did they? I know some PLO leaders have said they will accept it but I don't know of any signed agreement in which the PLO commit to the specific solution. And anyway, the PLO are not the problem here: the problem is Hamas being fully committed to the principle that war is the only answer and that negotiations are a waste of time.


Israel is the Jewish homeland.


Strong but not entirely unreasonable.

If there is nothing Jewish about Israel there is nothing Catholic about the Vatican.

New to me...and probably a whole lot of other people, including PLO members.


The link I provided was from Reuters. Is that an acceptable source? If not, would you give me a list of acceptable sources? And, killthefvckingjews.com and kikes.org don't count, or, at least, are to be viewed with suspicion.


???

How do you come up with this stuff...

@Bobko

😀. I chuckled at that one myself.

....I googled them and so glad they don't exist!

@Bratwurst Boy

I'm a little surprised they don't.

...yeah....me too....and glad! :)

[=AntV]
The two groups are Hilltop Youth and Lehava, with the former being described by the ministry which "establishes illegal settler outposts across the West Bank with the stated mission of expelling all Palestinians from the Occupied Territories." The latter was accused of also "facilitating, inciting, and promoting violence against Arab and Palestinian communities."

The two groups are Hilltop Youth and Lehava, with the former being described by the ministry which "establishes illegal settler outposts across the West Bank with the stated mission of expelling all Palestinians from the Occupied Territories." The latter was accused of also "facilitating, inciting, and promoting violence against Arab and Palestinian communities."

By The JERUSALEM POST
Feel honored I don't provide links neither I talk out of my ass or invent stuff. That is well known on PF.
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Israeli prison ...

@Ironside

How does that prove Hamas is not active in the West Bank?

For the record, I don't believe Israel is 100% innocent, they have their faults, as well. Their faults are a just helluvalot less grievous than Hamas' and the Palestinians who support them, IMO.

What does it matter? It is just an excuse anyway. The question is what Israelis are doing in the West Bank in the first place?

Everyone has the right to self-defence and their land and property even if they are Arabs.

@Ironside

Well, we were talking about Hamas being in West Bank.


Certainly, hence Israel's current war against Hamas.

What war? Dropping missiles and bombs that cost billions of dollars on a civilian population is not any war I heard about. It looks like pacification or thick cleaning.

The way you fight a terrorist group is by using Special OPs and intelligence, the way you fight nations and their freedom fighters is terror against the civilian population.

If you support something you should support it openly not hide behind euphemismes, slogans, and half-truths.
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Well, I'm sure Hams is already in the USA even though few people, I guess if Israel will nuke a few American cities you will be fine with it otherwise you would look like a hypocrite.

@Ironside

You need to revise the following by removing the word neither and replacing "or" with "and":


How in the hell do you explain the death of over 600 Israeli soldiers and 1000's wounded? Let me guess, it's propaganda, right?


Do you acknowledge a difference between sleeper cells of terrorists living in a foreign country and an area that is governed by said terrorist group? I mean you do see the chasmic difference do you not?

...planning their next hit like the one on 9/11.

I wish them well and hope they will be successful. This seems the only way for Americans to snap out and close the border.

In that case, you will have to replace "educated" with simple and "civil" with slow. while talking about yourself.
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There is no way to verify those numbers but even if those numbers are accurate it doesn't change a thing. After all a nation ro a tribe has the right to defend itself,


Why do you worry about me? I don't have bombs on my disposal that I could use anywhere and at any time, I don't even have drones to attack humanitarian convoys because allegedly there was one Hamas suspect in their mist.

@Ironside

I admit, you have me perplexed.

Do you accept the number of Gazans killed by IDF?

The fact that Israeli soldiers have been killed and wounded in Gaza, changes your claim that the IDF isn't conducting intelligence and operations (special or not) within Gaza, rather only pounding Gaza with missles.


Worry is the wrong word. I'm just trying to highlight the absurdity of your analogy of equating the nuking a country because it has terrorist agents hiding within said country and attacking an area that is governed by a terrorist organization that attacked your country.

Serious question, Iron....your family gets brutally murdered, the survivors kidnapped and daily tortured, are maybe already dead....how do you defend yourself against such attacks from over a very penetrable border? With the culprits cheering and hiding amidst civilians, schools and hospitals, threatening to do it again as it was so successfull...what would be your advice?

Just for a record, You can support Israel and all that their current government is doing I have no issue with it.
I do however umbrage if someone is obfuscating the issue and uses words and phrases to make an excuse for Israel's actions.
From a Christian point of view what they are doing is wrong, immortal. If you claim to be a catholic I simply wonder what kind of Catholic is that a hypocrite or some slow on the uptake?