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Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think?


Crnogorac3 4 | 876
12 Dec 2023 #301
Tusk said that his aim will be for Poland to "regain its role as an EU leader." However, others have taken this to mean the opposite and that he will fall in line with the wishes of leaders in Berlin, Brussels, and Paris. PiS President Jarosław Kaczyński even went so far as to brand Tusk an "agent" of Germany.

Asked whether he supported Kaczyński's comments on Tuesday, PiS MP Paweł Jabłoński said per Rzeczpospolita: "I believe that this formulation is inappropriate when it is not based on facts. When it is based on facts, unfortunately, it is the sad truth. Donald Tusk pursued a policy in the interests of Germany that was contrary to Poland's interests."


breitbart.com/europe/2023/12/12/globalist-takeover-ex-eurocrat-donald-tusk-installed-as-polish-prime-minister-vows-closer-eu-ties-and-support-for-ukraine/

pawian 224 | 24,500
12 Dec 2023 #302
PiS President Jarosław Kaczyński even went so far as to brand Tusk an "agent" of Germany.

Which was very stupid of him coz a few days earlier, PiS-hired historians had declared Tusk was a Russian agent. hahahaha

Too many agents make too much mess in Poland. That is why, 11 millions Poles decided to clean it up at last. In result, PiS lost the elections. hahahaha
pawian 224 | 24,500
12 Dec 2023 #303
Too many agents

Too many double or even triple and more agents, I meant. L)L):L))pl;0
Alien 21 | 5,260
12 Dec 2023 #304
agent" of Germany

Russian agent

Russian German agent, not bad.
pawian 224 | 24,500
12 Dec 2023 #305
Russian German agent,

He works for Lizard aliens, too. Triple agent, I tell you. hahahahaha
Korvinus 3 | 567
12 Dec 2023 #306
He works for Lizard aliens, too.

Just because they quibble a bit about frivolities like LGBT and pretend(keyword) to fight against immigration doesn't make them actual opposition.
PiS/Tusk, Macron/Le Pen, Meloni-Salvini/Renzi it's the new bipartisanry of the system, they exist to give each other power so that absolutely nothing of substance changes, in part because the center of power is in supranational entities.
jon357 74 | 22,730
12 Dec 2023 #307
frivolities

No frivolities.

e Pen, Meloni

Beware of the fools. They will laugh you into hell...
Crnogorac3 4 | 876
20 Dec 2023 #308
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the first commandment for the new "christian" government of Donald Tusk
Noorbert
13 Jan 2024 #309
Donald Tusk is definitely a dictator. He destroyed media pluralism in Poland. He took over all the media by force. Currently, there are no nationwide media critical of the Polishgovernment. He's behaving like Putin. He only invites the media that serves him to conferences. He is also trying to destroy small private media that are critical to government. He entered the presidential palace with the police and arrested two opposition politicians. They went on a hunger strike in protest. On January 11, 300,000 protests against Tusk took place (after 4 weeks of government). Tusk is openly breaking the law and constitution. He has all the power in his hands: the courts, the police, the government and the Sejm, as well as all the media. Tusk is definitely a dictator just like Putin and Lukashenko
Paulina 16 | 4,474
13 Jan 2024 #310
Donald Tusk is definitely a dictator. He destroyed media pluralism in Poland. He took over all the media by force. Currently, there are no nationwide media critical of the Polishgovernment.

This is a lie. Journalists from TVP simply moved to rightwing TV Republika and PiS voters switched from watching TVP to TV Republika. Thanks to this TV Republika changed from a small, niche channel into the second biggest Polish news channel in terms of viewership:

teleshow.wp.pl/telewizja-republika-z-rekordem-to-druga-newsowa-stacja-w-kraju-6983147496040992a
Ironside 50 | 12,467
13 Jan 2024 #311
This is a lie.

How is that a lie? There were two major TV NEWs in Poland TVP and TVN. TVN is a tube of propaganda for PO and Tusk and TVP used to be a tube of propaganda for PiS and Kaczynski. Now, Tusk without proper legal procedures took TVP over practically nullifying that two-way propaganda balance between those major parties in Poland.

Those are facts whether you like it or not anything else that is immaterial those are simple lame excuses made by lame people.
cms neuf 2 | 1,816
13 Jan 2024 #312
But we pay for TVP from our taxes - why should it be anyone's propaganda ?

There is already Republika, and its doing OK and I don't have to pay for it
Ironside 50 | 12,467
13 Jan 2024 #313
But we pay for TVP from our taxes - why should it be anyone's propaganda ?

Because that was always that way, that is the way the cookie crumbles.
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Dude you're paying whether you like it or not. The only difference is you are paying on PO propaganda, not PiS.
gumishu 14 | 6,288
13 Jan 2024 #314
why should it be anyone's propaganda ?

you think now TVP is not PO propaganda? I somehow doubt it
Paulina 16 | 4,474
13 Jan 2024 #315
How is that a lie?

I've already explained it in my previous post.

There were two major TV NEWs in Poland TVP and TVN.

And now it's TVN and TV Republika. So what's the problem?

practically nullifying that two-way propaganda balance between those major parties in Poland.

But that's simply not true. Read that article I linked to.
cms neuf 2 | 1,816
13 Jan 2024 #316
Nonsense - it wasn't that bad before 2015 and like most people I turned off sometime in 2016

Certainly the astronomical salaries are something that started under PiS
Ironside 50 | 12,467
13 Jan 2024 #317
And now it's TVN and TV Republika. So what's the problem?

the problem it is a lame lie. TV Republika is not nearly as big as TVP, not to mention that TVP and TVN in tandem almost monopolize the market.

Why do you repeat that lame lie? Are you that pitifully lame?
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Nonsense

sure my man, remind me you do understand Polish do you?
pawian 224 | 24,500
13 Jan 2024 #318
Currently, there are no nationwide media critical of the Polishgovernment.

Lies.

@ Pa

Exactly.

How is that a lie?

Stop asking stupid questions. You always do it to obfuscate the topic until nobody knows what they are discussing. We need to contain that sick tactics of yours. It is a lie coz PiS gangsters have their TV medium called Republika and their radio one called Maryja both of which are critical of the ruling gov.
Paulina 16 | 4,474
13 Jan 2024 #319
TV Republika is not nearly as big as TVP

In what sense? As I already wrote - PiS voters switched from watching TVP to watching TV Republika and now TV Republika is the second biggest news channel in terms of viewership in Poland. It beat even Polsat News.

Why do you repeat that lame lie? Are you that pitifully lame?

What Noorbert1 wrote was pitifully lame and a LIE.
Noorbert1 wrote that Tusk "destroyed media pluralism in Poland", that "He took over all the media by force" and that "Currently, there are no nationwide media critical of the Polishgovernment". All of this are simply lies.
pawian 224 | 24,500
13 Jan 2024 #320
lame lie? pitifully lame?

Stop acting like an idiot and discrediting yourself in result.. I know you feel great with it coz idiots don`t have to think which is too difficult to them. But you can try sometimes.
pawian 224 | 24,500
13 Jan 2024 #321
All of this are simply lies.

Yes. Republika is critical of Tusk`s gov so free media are doing fine.
gumishu 14 | 6,288
13 Jan 2024 #322
Certainly the astronomical salaries are something that started under PiS

Tomasz Lis's firm earned more than 20 million PLN in the years 2008-2016 for producing his talk-show programme for TVP - there are more examples of such

pudelek.pl/artykul/90994/ile_naprawde_zarabial_tomasz_lis_w_tvp_21_milionow_zlotych_to_tylko_polowa_prawdy/
Torq 7 | 978
13 Jan 2024 #323
Tomasz Lis's firm earned more than 20 million PLN in the years 2008-2016 for producing his talk-show programme

The show made profit. For example, in its final year the cost was 3.7 million PLN and income from TV ads during the show's emission were 4.6 million. So, it was no charity - Lis was making money for TVP.
pawian 224 | 24,500
13 Jan 2024 #324
Lis was making money for TVP.

Exactly.

Tomasz Lis's firm earned more than 20 million PLN in the years 2008-2016

Firm means he also had to pay salaries to his assistants. 20 million divided among a few people within 8 years
Paulina 16 | 4,474
13 Jan 2024 #325
So, it was no charity - Lis was making money for TVP.

Yeah, Tomasz Lis was a star in those days, even before he moved to TVP - earlier he had a popular show in Polsat "Co z tą Polską?" (2004-2007).
Ironside 50 | 12,467
13 Jan 2024 #326
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Tusk "destroyed media pluralism in Poland",

well, he would like to do it! He took a big step in that direction.
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that "He took over all the media by force"

Hey, that is true, but they were so lame that only were initially successful in a halfway awkward way and caused a big mess, but the fact he sent some hired goons there illegally is a fact no one who has brain questions.

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"Currently, there are no nationwide media critical of the Polishgovernment".

Not that would match TVN and TVP combined.
Your narrow minded view of what is true and what is not doesn't alter facts.
Paulina 16 | 4,474
13 Jan 2024 #327
he would like to do it! He took a big step in that direction.

You must be talking about PiS. Don't forget that they tried to finish off TVN.

Hey, that is true

Of course it isn't. Public media aren't the only media in Poland! LOL

Not that would match TVN and TVP combined.

TV Republika outmatched TVP Info and Polsat News already. And that's what matters in media pluralism - news, political talk shows, etc. And TV Republika has all of that.
gumishu 14 | 6,288
13 Jan 2024 #328
And that's what matters in media pluralism - news

there is an ongoing big campaign of getting advertisers to shun TV Republika (I watch it and I can see the difference between now and two weeks before)
pawian 224 | 24,500
13 Jan 2024 #329
there is an ongoing big campaign of getting advertisers to shun TV Republika

Decent people shun such slimy media and you can`t blame them.
gumishu 14 | 6,288
13 Jan 2024 #330
Firm means he also had to pay salaries to his assistants

how many people do you think worked on the project? also the article I linked clearly states that TVP not only paid Lis's company but also actually shared the cost of the production of the show (and that significantly)


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