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Should Poland traitors face the death penalty?



Ironside 46 | 8,406    
3 Dec 2017  #1

Six MEP voted against Poland. Should they be punished? There is no doubt those are traitors that wish harm on Poland and Polish people.
Should those traitors face capital punishment?


Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #2

Well, as no EU nation to my knowledge has capital punishment (even for a capital offense), why should Poland?
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
3 Dec 2017  #3

Well, as no EU nation to my knowledge has capital punishment

I know, let me rephrase - should they be punished a all?
They deserve hanging, but law is lacking in that regard.
Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #4

Scarcely! Where do you think you are, sir? Ceascescu's Romania??! Come on, we're speaking about Poland, 2017:-)
SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #5

@Lyzko
@Ironside

All people who held positions of power during communist rule should be summarily executed, without question, and without delay. The fact that many in the post-soviet bloc have been able to live relatively comfortable lives and retire is a stain on humanity. These people are not fit to live in society, they are opportunistic collaborators of the worst sort who would sell their own mother for a dollar. The EU doesn't have the death penalty for crimes, but certainly an exception should be made for treason and espionage.

Bradley Manning and Bowe Bergdahl should both be executed by firing squad.
Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #6

The death penalty solves NOTHING, you people! It's not a true deterrent, turns criminals etc. into mere martyrs, and doesn't make them suffer as does life imprisonment!

Furthermore, killing the killer won't bring back the person killed, right? OK, then.

Lastly, it isn't Man's place to play G_d. G_d creates life, therefore He take life as well:-)
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #7

All people who held positions of power during communist rule should be summarily executed, without question, and without delay.

Such an American view of things. Fortunately, Poland is a genuinely Christian country, which means we don't execute but rather forgive people for their sins.

The EU doesn't have the death penalty for crimes, but certainly an exception should be made for treason and espionage.

Certainly. I assume you'll be first to submit to a detailed background check at the border, including enquiries as to just what you're doing in the Middle East. Any collaboration with potential enemies of Poland should result in a permanent ban from Polish territory.

Given that many people in Poland view Islam as a dangerous enemy, I think you're screwed. I certainly can't imagine that the average right wing voter wants someone in Poland who is openly helping to arm Muslims.
Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #8

Death penalty supporters, roz, are mostly only concerned with the costs of keeping killers alive, rather than serving the ends of justice or preventing homicides from occurring! Lifers are a drain on the state, this is true. Yet which is more "humane"? Killing sanctioned by the gov't. for a capital crime such as murder, or allowing the culprit to languish for years in prison?

I believe in life imprisonment with zero possibility of parole, moreoever, should the convicted killer develop cancer etc.., NO treatment which could be spent on deserving folks on the outside who haven't committed murder!
SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #9

@delphiandomine

Riiiiiiight.....I work for the U.S. military, ya know, the leaders of NATO, so I think I'm fine. However, I think those of you spouting your radical left-wing immigration nonsense might be screwed since you want to inundate Poland with savages.

Who is "we" in the "we don't execute people" ? You're not Polish.

@Lyzko

That's not accurate in the United States. It's far more costly to execute someone (around $10mil USD) because of the costs involved with appeals. I am not a supporter of the death penalty for murder in any country. It is generally proven not to be a deterrent, and the possibility of executing an innocent person scares me.

I have no such compunctions when it comes to executing communists who participated in the subjugation, suffering, and execution of their own countrymen.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #10

Riiiiiiight.....I work for the U.S. military, ya know, the leaders of NATO, so I think I'm fine.

Nope, you've openly admitting to arming Muslims. That puts you into conflict with Poland and Polish interests. Those weapons could be used to attack Poland one day, as is the fear of many Poles. Therefore, permanently banning you from Polish territory is the safe thing to do, and I urge our government to do it for our safety.
SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #11

@delphiandomine

Nope, I've never 'admitted to arming Muslims,' because I've never armed anyone. I'd ask you to find a post of mine where I've ever said I've armed them, but you won't be able to, because its a complete untruth. No one gets armed on my contract, it's a training mission. I guess the Polish government would be really upset with all the work I did, and STILL do with the Ukrainians too, ya know, fighting the tyranny of your Russian brethren. I think left wing radicals are a far bigger threat to Poland than US defense contractors who support and defend democracy worldwide.
Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #12

@Sig Sauer, by your definition, let's all execute anyone whom we don't like or of whose politics etc. we don't approveLOL

What does it solve? What message does it send to our youth?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #13

So you're involved with training Muslims. That training can be used against Polish people in the future, in accordance with the worst fears of many Polish people at the minute.

You're essentially a threat to Poland, and should be investigated thoroughly. One however, can be satisfied by the fact that any application for residence in Poland will require a detailed background check, which will no doubt reveal the extent of your activities with potentially hostile Muslim forces.

all the work I did, and STILL do with the Ukrainians

Even more of a threat, then. The Polish government is well aware of the activities of right wing Ukrainian forces, and has no desire to admit them into the territory of the RP.
SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #14

@Lyzko

By your logic, we shouldn't have executed anyone after the Nuremberg trials because they just had different politics than ours. And by all accounts and studies, communists killed 3x as many people as the Nazis. So no, I reject that as a specious argument that gives cover to collaborators of mass crimes against humanity.

@Delph

Yes, well I'm in Africa now, not the Middle East. I suppose that officially sanctioned US foreign policy, in your twisted view, could be seen that way. Alas, to our NATO allies this is par for the course. Polish forces are involved in the war in Afghanistan as part of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), and a major part, in fact the largest part of that mission involves training the ANA and ANP. Guess what? They're Muslim.
Lyzko 17 | 3,677    
3 Dec 2017  #15

That's right!

Even Hitler himself, along with the camp docs and so forth I'd rather have captured, tortured, and imprisoned.

Do two wrongs make a right??! Would killing the Nuremberg 12 bring back the millions they had killed??!

Your logic is self-righteous clap-trap, perpetrating Man's sins in G_d's name.
cms 9 | 1,171    
3 Dec 2017  #16

What is a position of power ? Sports minister ? University rector ? Museum director ? Head of an oil refinery ? Trainee prosecutor? Should they all be executed?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #17

Yes, well I'm in Africa now, not the Middle East.

Even more reason for concern.

I think we've established beyond doubt that potential security risks to Poland should be kept well clear of Poland.
SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #18

@delphiandomine

Ya glossed right over this part didn't you?

"Polish forces are involved in the war in Afghanistan as part of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), and a major part, in fact the largest part of that mission involves training the ANA and ANP. Guess what? They're Muslim."

Want to revise your vitriolic b/s a bit?
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
3 Dec 2017  #19

@lyzko yet they need to be punished, they acted against Poland as MEPs. They're traitors no doubt about it. The thing is in Poland 2017 there is no way to punish them.

That situation need to be remedied. Not necessarily handing but hard labour camp and or some heavy fine?..

So

Stop trolling!
Are you in W-claw or back in Scotland. I heard they lock you up- is that any true to it?

Nope,

He is trolling you SigSauer. M17?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #20

Ya glossed right over this part didn't you?

I'm not worried about Polish citizens, they are heavily monitored. I'm concerned about American mercenaries with a track record of training potential enemies to Poland.

Right wing elements in Ukraine are hostile to Poland and Poles, and have already discriminated against Polish people in Ukraine on numerous occasions since 2014.
cms 9 | 1,171    
3 Dec 2017  #21

There is a clear way in 2017 to punish these MEPs - vote them out at the next election if you don't like their actions.

Executions is a 1917 solution.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #22

And the democratically elected Polish government is also concerned with foreign leftists attempting to subvert Polish society? What's your point?
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
3 Dec 2017  #23

Nope, you've openly admitting to arming Muslims. That puts you into conflict with Poland and Polish interests.

Britain sells weapons to Muslim countries too, so I suppose you'd say that puts them in conflict with Poland? The world is a complicated place.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
3 Dec 2017  #24

There is a clear way in 2017 to punish these MEPs - vote them out at the next election if you don't like their actions.

That is not punishment. They should punished. Poland can't just let it lie.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #25

Britain sells weapons to Muslim countries too, so I suppose you'd say that puts them in conflict with Poland? The world is a complicated place.

I'm only repeating what you can read on the Polish internet, nothing more.

I mean, WP, do you like the idea of someone who openly trains Muslims to wage war living in Poland? Be honest now.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #26

The more NATO people we can get the better, and unlike our fellow British expat residents, I speak a Pole and Polish citizen.

Stop telling Polish people and Polish citizen who we should allow and not allow into our society. That is our decision, not yours.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #27

Stop telling Polish people and Polish citizen who we should allow and not allow into our society. That is our decision, not yours.

Actually, as a Polish citizen, I've got the right to decide on the same basis as you do. And I vote in every election, even to the Rada Osiedla.

The more NATO people we can get the better

Even if they're potentially working against Polish interests?

Never thought I'd hear you support someone living in Poland who openly admits to training Islamic regimes.
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
3 Dec 2017  #28

I mean, WP, do you like the idea of someone who openly trains Muslims to wage war living in Poland? Be honest now.

I don't think Polish people ought to fear anybody who has trained any Muslim in the world. Some Muslims in certain parts of the world are viewed as allies, who can help in the fight against a far worse Islamic enemy.

Many for instance, believe that the western world should be supporting the Kurds, who themselves are fighting and trying to defeat ISIS.

Anyway, Islamic attacks should not be a concern for Polish people at this time, not if they are smart enough to keep the current government.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #29

Actually, as a Polish citizen, I've got the right to decide on the same basis as you do. And I vote in every election, even to the Rada Osiedla.

Good you can vote - but you're still not a Pole and your views are contrary to the democratically elected party which is a FIRM NATO ally, supports the US, and has double the popularity of PO. Your views are also contrary to that of the Polish constitution, Polish customs, and Polish society. Sorry I forgot that was Harry not you who was rejected citizenship.

Have fun voting for the losing party which is supported by only 20% of Poles - less than half of PIs. PiS + Kukiz = majority of Polish voters.
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
3 Dec 2017  #30

I've got the right to decide on the same basis as you do. And I vote in every election, even to the Rada Osiedla.

Reading that sends a shiver down my spine.




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