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Should Poland traitors face the death penalty?



delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
3 Dec 2017  #31

I don't think Polish people ought to fear anybody who has trained any Muslim in the world.

So, you think we should allow someone in who has trained Saudis, who adhere to the worst form of radical Islam that there is?

Read this, WP.
newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism

You think that such a person involved with training Wahhabists should be allowed in Poland freely?


SigSauer 1 | 260    
3 Dec 2017  #32

@delphiandomine

I get it. You disagree with my politics, that's ok, we don't have to agree on issues such as immigration and 17 million genders. You are grasping at straws with your b/s mercenary talk, and supporting Muslim regimes or some nonsense (which sounds mildly bigoted, honestly). These people I work with are GOOD people, and they want only the best for their country, and they value us as PARTNERS in the fight against extremism and terrorism. You are ignorant of the lengths to which the security services in these countries are going to in order to combat terrorism, and that's fine, no one can be learned on every topic out there. If I wanted to know something about education, I'd probably ask you and trust that your knowledge was accurate since you're an expert in that field. Please though, have a bit of respect and dignity, don't opine on things like this to which you're completely uninformed. The Poles were our partners in ISAF from 2002-2014, and active participants in the training and logistics missions in Afghanistan, you're just sounding silly as you keep pursuing this line of absurdity.

Your government sold 1.1bln GBP of arms to Saudi Arabia in 2017. Should we ban UK citizens from entering Poland? Should we ban the British trainers in KSA from returning to the UK? I know a boat load of people who work for BAE, should we ban them too? You sound ridiculous, stop it mate.
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
3 Dec 2017  #33

Six MEP voted against Poland. Should they be punished?

No. They did not "vote against Poland" they voted against a dishonest government that continues to break agreements that Poland has made.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #34

@mafketis

They voted for suspending '"their countries' "voting rights. I put that in parenthesis bc almost all of them oddly don't even have polish last names but rather more German and even Jewish sounding one's surprise surprise
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 401    
3 Dec 2017  #35

You know what's even bigger surprise? That it took as many as 34 posts to accuse them of being a German or Jewish fifth column
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #36

Well they certainly don't have polish sounding last names. There's no 'von' or 'stein' endings in polish.. im only saying what millions of pis supporters amd my fellow poles already think and say.. Or they sold out and went w the Germans Brussels eu.. same thing - traitors

That's why pis supporters applaud kicking Germans and foreigners out of key sectors. This is another area poles will have to work on in the next election to make sure we don't have any more traitors representing Poland at the ep

Why do you think that whole picture of those hanging mep was made?
jon357 70 | 12,793    
3 Dec 2017  #37

Well they certainly don't have polish sounding last names

Plenty of Poles don't. Many have German-sounding names, just as plenty of Germans have Polish-sounding names.

hanging

Poland doesn't have the death penalty.

Also, voting a way you dislike isn't treason.

Reading that sends a shiver down my spine.

Shiver away. I vote too.
idem - | 134    
3 Dec 2017  #38

Also, voting a way you dislike isn't treason.

In this circumstances it is very close to treason.

Our history is different from British one ....Poland was twice under partition....and we had quite a few traitors like this in the past.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
3 Dec 2017  #39

In this circumstances it is very close to treason.

No, it is not. There is no reason MEPs should vote as a national bloc - that's why different parties exist, and Poland of course has always had a diversity of political opinions and visions for the country.
idem - | 134    
3 Dec 2017  #40

@jon357

I think this are 2 different issues: politicial parties represented by MEPs who can express themselves in parliament, through press...

Did similar situation happened
WielkiPolak 51 | 784    
3 Dec 2017  #41

Shiver away. I vote too.

Scary
jon357 70 | 12,793    
3 Dec 2017  #42

Hard to know what you're saying there, however the whole point of different political parties is to represent different opinions and interest. Nobody wants either a one party state or only one opinion to have a legislative voice.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
3 Dec 2017  #43

@jon357

There's nothing wrong with diversity of opinion and political parties. But when mep vote to take away the polish citizens democratically elected reps voice in the ep, it is treason
idem - | 134    
3 Dec 2017  #44

@jon357

I am sorry- I pressed it accidently too quickly.

What I meant of course we need different political parties to represent different opinions and interests. It is democracy. The problem is that previous government and people who represent it got very arrogant and did not take defeat very well.

So they decided to run to Brussel,,,,German papers and run quite nasty anti-polish campaign hoping for ....not sure revolution and recovering power?
jon357 70 | 12,793    
3 Dec 2017  #45

The problem is that previous government and people who represent it got very arrogant and did not take defeat very well.

Others would say that the current party in office have got it badly wrong - that's the thing about democracy; you find that people have different opinions and political vision.
idem - | 134    
3 Dec 2017  #46

@jon357

Of course they do- we had already one infallible party PZPR :-) and I don't think we want it back. We believe in democracy and different opinions but conflicts should be resolved within your own country. We have this old polish saying' Zly to ptak co swe gniazdo plugawi'.

I think you are British ...I have been living in UK for a few years so will give you the example- Brexit... during pre - referendum campaign Boris Johnson lied that NHS would get 350M after Brexit. It was lie. So theoretically Corbyn ( as opposition) should run to Brussel and all Europeans papers to announce it and asking for help.

That is what PO/KOD is doing now.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
3 Dec 2017  #47

conflicts should be resolved within your own country

Not at MEP level. Nor do I think PiS are interested in any sort of compromise.

So theoretically Corbyn ( as opposition) should run to Brussel

He supports Brexit.

That is what PO/KOD is doing now.

They're doing their duty toi their voters, who don't share the vision of the shambles in office now.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
3 Dec 2017  #48

No. They did not "vote against Poland" they voted against a dishonest government that continues to break agreements that Poland has made.@ mafketis

Oh, no they voted against Poland and every Polish citizen. It won't be PiS footing the bill if those sanction came to fruition, it won't be PiS trade or rights or interests that gonna suffer as the result of the vote. It will be an average Polish citizen.

Those are traitors. Low scum!
gregy741 3 | 981    
4 Dec 2017  #49

better idea,revoke their polish citizenship and deport scum.
Dirk diggler 5 | 1,421    
4 Dec 2017  #50

Others would say that the current party in office have got it badly wrong

43% of Poles do not, according to CBOS. 3/4 of Poles didn't want turd world migration with PO kowtowed to EU and said theyd take some 4k. They'll never be forgiven for that by patriotic poles and the 3/4 who don't want migrants.
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
4 Dec 2017  #51

They voted for suspending 'their countries' voting rights

Honestly, you don't want Poland in the EU at all, why would you care about Poland's status there?

It won't be PiS footing the bill if those sanction came to fruition

But it's PiS that brought Poland to the ridiculous position it's in now - quickly becoming a pariah state in the EU

Nobody wants either a one party state or only one opinion to have a legislative voice.

I think that's exactly what a bunch of people here want.....
idem - | 134    
4 Dec 2017  #52

They're doing their duty toi their voters, who don't share the vision of the shambles in office now.

Just question?
- During 70 in UK- What I heard was proper shambles in UK- everyone on strike I heard that after during long strike of undertaker it was considered to throw bodies to the sea????( not sure if it I true)

- during 80- lots people despised Thather and they thought country was in shambles

Did anyone run to Brussells for help....? No.

What Po/KOD are doing now is undermining Poland showing us as second class country which cannot govern itself so I am not surprised that some Germans want to 'teach' us democracy. They have already done it in 1939.

And is it really so bad in Poland ....safe streets, unemployment dropping....foreign companies investing ...sorry but it was much worse in the past.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
4 Dec 2017  #53

But it's PiS that brought Poland to the ridiculous position it's in now - quickly becoming a pariah state in the EU

What a ridiculous thing to say. Father has a slight dirking problem so it is OK for his son to bring thugs and robbers by a backdoor into the house where they can loot at will, rape his daughter and beat up his other son as long as the son in question can get his share in loot. Then he can turn and blame it all on his father.

No can do!
You're the scum and the villain and no amount of blame shifting can change that.
Dead to the traitors. At least some kind of painful punishment, Reno cue their cintziship and confiscate they property.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
4 Dec 2017  #54

What I heard was proper shambles in UK- everyone on strike

I was alive through that decade. No burials at sea.

- during 80- lots people despised Thather

Lots of people still do.

Did anyone run to Brussells for help....? No.

You really don't know much about the topic.

To repeat, the MEPs who voted according to their party and constituents are not traitors. There's no reason at all why a politician from one party should support another party. That's what democracy's about.
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
4 Dec 2017  #55

You're the scum and the villain

No! You are! Not me, you! No amount of sabre rattling and bloodlust for your political enemies will change that.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
4 Dec 2017  #56

No!

Yes! You make it sound as if that an internal political debate,. It is not. It is a treason plain and simple, a harm done willfully on the Polish people by those who take money to look after their interest is just that no buts about it.

Obfuscating the issue, denying it is a mark of very low morals.
You practically side with them, so you have no a moral high ground to take - you're like them!
So it is you my friend not me who is all those 'fine' things I have mentioned in one of my post above.
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
4 Dec 2017  #57

You make it sound as if that an internal political debate,. It is not

It's a debate on whether Poland is upholding agreements it willingly signed on to. The objective answer is that it is not. So you are saying that loyalty to the current government is more important than objective truth.

you have no a moral high ground to take

I can understand how someone who sees politics as a video game or soccer match might think that. I disagree.
OP Ironside 46 | 8,406    
4 Dec 2017  #58

I disagree

Matters not if you agree or disagree with facts.

It's a debate on whether Poland is upholding agreements it willingly signed on to.

It is not a debate. Inform yourself better on the issue if you that ignorant. It is a political act that can lead to levy 'sanctions' on Poland.

So you are saying that loyalty to the current government is more important than objective truth.

Listen coño, their action gonna harm every citizen of Poland not only gov.
what is that you don't understand?
Ziemowit 8 | 2,637    
4 Dec 2017  #59

Well they certainly don't have polish sounding last names. There's no 'von' or 'stein' endings in polish

It is quite amusing what you say and shows how little you know about Poland or about life. The principal name in question is undoubtedly Róża Gräfin von Thun und Hohenstein. First, her Christian name is RÓŻA, a lovely sounding Polish name. Then she was born in Kraków, a lovely Polish city. And last but not least, she married Franza Graf von Thun und Hohenstein, hence her lovely German surname.

The kind of attention and sort of malicious satisfaction they give to the pronounciation of her German name on the Wiadomości news bulletin, the main speaking tube of government propaganda on TVP1, amuses me enormously and shows how childish people can be at their silly games. It sounds at least as she were one of the Hochmeisteren of the Teutonic Order which we success fully defeated in the battle of Grunwald in 1410, such a bombastic pronounciation this is.
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
4 Dec 2017  #60

coño, their action gonna harm every citizen of Poland not only gov

escuchame pendejo.... it's PiS that brought this to Poland, not a few MEP's who cannot support them.




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