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The Left wing (not-so Slow) death in Poland


Levi 12 | 450
13 Nov 2015  #1
I created this topic to discuss the fast death of the Left-Wing (Communists, Socialists and Multiculturalists) in Poland

Let's discuss, in a civilized manner, the perspectives about the complete oblivion of the left wing parties now that they are completely out of the Parliament.

With the dissapearance of the Left Wing, what will be the next steps of the more sobers characters, like Leszek Miller, or those tha are more like clowns (Janusz Palikot for example)?

Will they try approaches to non-elective positions, since they clearly have no Popular support and are even hated by part of the Population?

Also, those that want to post here some statements from the Left Wing losers, specially their ridiculous behaviour of "Bad Losers", are welcome.

(Admins, please respect this topic since you also allowed a Anti-PiS post. Be, at least a bit, impartial).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
13 Nov 2015  #2
Let's discuss, in a civilized manner

You're clearly not very familiar with Polish politics, are you?

For a start, there are no real classical "left" or "right" wing parties in Poland. PO are centrist economically, but their members (and their policies) are anything from left to right socially. PiS are (very) left wing economically, but sit anywhere between centrist to far right socially. Nowoczesna are left wing socially, centre-right economically. Kukiz is...who knows. PSL are centre-left economically, but centre-right socially. The list goes on...

With the dissapearance of the Left Wing, what will be the next steps of the more sobers characters

Miller is finished. But the Left is already regrouping.

What you won't be aware of is that the Left has considerable support when it comes to "soft power".

Will they try approaches to non-elective positions, since they clearly have no Popular support and are even hated by part of the Population?

No popular support? You're clearly struggling to comprehend that the left wing economically is very, very strong in Poland.

I created this topic to discuss the fast death of the Left-Wing (Communists, Socialists and Multiculturalists) in Poland

You should be worried, given that PiS are highly likely to change immigration law to keep out non-EU foreigners from non-first world countries, like you.
OP Levi 12 | 450
13 Nov 2015  #3
For a start, there are no real classical "left" or "right" wing parties in Poland.

I am not talking about the bullsh*t of classical. And you know that

I am talking about reality, of Multiculturalists Socialists and Communists (Razem, Palikot and SLD) VS Conservatives.

And the first were vanished out from the Sejm. The last one had a storming victory.

You, clearly a defender of the first group, is obviously sad because they lost. But don't come try to pollute this topic with useless wishful thinking from yours :)

No popular support? You're clearly struggling to comprehend that the left wing economically is very, very strong in Poland.

And you are clearly too ignorant to understand that i am not talking about economical left-wing, but about Socialists/Communists/Multiculturalists VS Conservatives.

(Even i explaining that at my VERY FIRST LINE).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
13 Nov 2015  #4
I am talking about reality, of Multiculturalists Socialists and Communists (Razem, Palikot and SLD) VS Conservatives.

You really are living in dreamland if you think that there's such a division in Poland. That's just the kind of nonsense spouted by someone that isn't actually familiar with PiS.

PiS tend to be about a lot of hot air, but their policies tend to tell the truth. Let's not forget that PiS are very much made up of the Communist nomeklatura, as well.

And the first were vanished out from the Sejm. The last one had a storming victory.

Wasn't really a storming victory. They fell far short of the numbers needed to change the constitution, for instance.

You, clearly a defender of the first group, is obviously sad because they lost. But don't come try to pollute this topic with useless wishful thinking from yours :)

Lost? Not quite. Remember, Poland has a multi-level political system, and the Left are still very strong at the provincial and local level.
OP Levi 12 | 450
13 Nov 2015  #5
Wasn't really a storming victory. They fell far short of the numbers needed to change the constitution, for instance.

PiS had the biggest victory of the history of democratic Poland.

They even didn't needed a coalition to have the majority. (But still they have the coalition).

I Cannot see any democratic country in Europe nowadays that have such a incredible popular support like PiS had at the last elections.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
13 Nov 2015  #6
PiS had the biggest victory of the history of democratic Poland.

Which is fair enough, but it doesn't mean much when the 3rd biggest party only won 8% of the vote and that a huge amount of votes were disqualified as the parties didn't meet the threshold. Off the top of my head, around 20% of votes weren't counted. That's a huge number.

They even didn't needed a coalition to have the majority. (But still they have the coalition).

They needed a coalition. I forget the numbers, but they're very much in the minority if Gowin pulls out.

I Cannot see any democratic country in Europe nowadays that have such a incredible popular support like PiS had at the last elections.

See, this is what I say - you're not very clued up at all.

To give an example - the SNP in Scotland won just over 50% of the popular vote in the 2015 General Election. The JxSi won 39.6% of the vote in the 2015 Catalonian elections. The PaF won 38.6% in Portugal. The UK Conservatives won 36.8% (which is only slightly less than PiS).

To suggest that a party that won the votes of a mere 19% of the eligible voting population has "incredible popular support" is quite frankly nonsense.
OP Levi 12 | 450
14 Nov 2015  #7
To give an example - the SNP in Scotland won just over 50% of the popular vote in the 2015 General Election. The JxSi won 39.6% of the vote in the 2015 Catalonian elections.

I Say "COUNTRY"

And you come with CATALONIAN elections?

Which universe do you live? At one where Catalunia is a country? (Not even talking about Scotland and their status as an "Independent Country" LOL)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
14 Nov 2015  #8
I Say "COUNTRY"

Catalonia and Scotland are countries. Looks like you really aren't very aware of European affairs and how this place works.

And you come with CATALONIAN elections?

There haven't been many country-level elections this year in Europe. Croatia had some, but they're divided into two opposing blocs like in Taiwan, so you can't really comment about those elections.

Which universe do you live? At one where Catalunia is a country? (Not even talking about Scotland and their status as an "Independent Country" LOL)

More racism, Levi?

Not much about Polish politics in the last few posts?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
14 Nov 2015  #9
much made up of the Communist nomeklatura

As much as you dislike PiS, there's no need to feed people such a crock of BS. The most ex-commies, pinkos and fellow travellers were obviously in the SLD and smaller leftist groupings. Other than that, they were found mainly in UD, UW, Samoobrona and PO. (Don't forget Balcerowicz, Gieremek, Kuroń and others were all former card-carrying communists!) PiS was the last place they would go. PiS' predecessor Porozumienie Centrum was the same way.
OP Levi 12 | 450
14 Nov 2015  #10
The most ex-commies, pinkos and fellow travellers were obviously in the SLD and smaller leftist groupings.

Exactly!

SLD is, in fact, a party full of Ex-Commies.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
14 Nov 2015  #11
@Levi: without Google, can you name some of them????? ;) I bet you can't ;)
gregy741 4 | 1,204
14 Nov 2015  #12
PO shifted left long ago,with departure of all centres(like Tusk) and right people from PO (like Gowin)and introduction of Kopacz and her leftist trash friends.thats why they lost badly.they lost all right and center voters to Pis and SLD AND Palikot lost their voters to PO.
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Nov 2015  #13
Also, those that want to post here some statements from the Left Wing losers, specially their ridiculous behaviour of "Bad Losers", are welcome.

The left wing only lost in Poland, would you call the opposition in Greece right wing losers?
gregy741 4 | 1,204
15 Nov 2015  #14
The left wing only lost in Poland

mildly said.they didn lose,they were smashed,crushed ,eaten alive and came out the rear end right into sh.it hole where they belong.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
15 Nov 2015  #15
@Gregy: you know, in politics (among other things) nothing is stable and one day, you are up and one day, you are down and vice versa. Trust me, all the left parties shall come back (very quickly). The motto of Paris "Fluctuat nec mergitur" applies here too...
milky 13 | 1,657
15 Nov 2015  #16
mildly said.they didn lose,they were smashed,crushed ,eaten alive and came out the rear end right into sh.it hole where they belong.

They were weak to begin with as always in bible belts.
Borsukrates
16 Nov 2015  #17
PiS is not free of commies.
* Krzysztof Czabański belonged to PZPR in years 1967-1980. He also published in a regime newspaper "Sztandar Młodych". But hey, he's a friend of Jarosław Kaczyński.

* Wojciech Jasiński was in PZPR for 7 years, and he led Domestic Matters Department in Płock for 5 years. This position means he had to deal with SB.

* Tadeusz Cymański was in Związek Młodzieży Socjalistycznej and Socjalistyczny Związek Studentów Polskich for years. (Association of Socialist Youth, Association of Socialist Students)

* Rajmund Kaczyński was in Związek Bojowników o Wolność i Demokrację, which was entirely controlled by the Party. He was responsible for education of high ranking PZPR officials. R.K. was a father of Jarosław Kaczyński, the chairman of PiS.

* Zbigniew Ziobro is a son of a PZPR member, too.
nothanks - | 640
16 Nov 2015  #18
The left wing only lost in Poland, would you call the opposition in Greece right wing losers?

Soon to be the USA also
OP Levi 12 | 450
16 Nov 2015  #19
Indeed. We are in the countdown to see the Democrats be kicked out from the White house in the same way as SLD was kicked out and THRASHED away from the Sejm.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
16 Nov 2015  #20
@Borsu: thanks for your info
gregy741 4 | 1,204
16 Nov 2015  #21
PiS is not free of commies.

pfff..like 80% of population were members of some goverment made org.back then. i myself was in harcerze org. my dad was in PZPR.my mum in PSL.even tho her father(my grandad) spent 5 years in penatly prison.working in Mines 5 years for insulting Stalin in pub when he got drunk..lol

whoever wanted to have some easy career path joined PZPR.IT WAS reality.nothing rare.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
16 Nov 2015  #22
my dad was in PZPR

Not saying anything, just quoting this to show what kind of people really support PiS.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
16 Nov 2015  #23
what kind of people really support PiS.

the ones with brain morals and reason.next
Harry
16 Nov 2015  #24
Is that the exact same line your father used to justify his party membership?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
16 Nov 2015  #25
It just shows that the PiS claim that "communists never went away" is perfectly true - people like Gregy are very much in the vein of their parents.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
16 Nov 2015  #26
Is that the exact same line your father used to justify his party membership?

simply ,,finished high education,joined party,got good job,and flat. family warfare of his family was reason,not political view-he had none.
back then,few though socialism would collapse so many flow with the river stream.not everyone wants to be hero.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
16 Nov 2015  #27
what kind of people really support PiS.

Except that even more ex-commies were in PO.

PROMINEŃT POLITICIANS WHO ONCE WERE
CARD-CARRYING MEMEBRS OF THE PZPR
BEFORE TRANSFERRING TO:

PLATFORMA OBYWATELSKA
Iwona Śledzińska-Katarasińska
Barbara Kudrycka
Zbigniew Ćwiąkalski
Magdalena Kochan
Mieczysław Augustyn
Witold Gintowt-Dziewałtowski
Dariusz Rosati
marcin święcicki
Grażyna Ciemniak
Michał Kaczmarek
Tomasz Nałęcz

PRAWO I SPRAWIEDLIWOŚĆ
Wojciech Jasiński
Maciej £opiński
Stanisław Kostrzewski
Andrzej Kryże

historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=107357

PiS are very much made up of the Communist nomeklatura

An outright, bald-faced lie. Of course, nothing new for you. See which party -- PO or PiS -- is riddled with nomenklatura types.

people like Gregy

I wonder what you would have done in Gregy's dad's shoes. Imagine that attaining your present lifestyle or something similar had depended on joining the party. Would your really have been a hero, gone underground and fought the regime? It's easy to point a finger except that the other three are pointing back at you.

PiS is not free of commies

Was it a simple oversight that you tended to focus on parents? If so why did you overlook Michnik from a family of red traitors with blood on their hands: Dad prominent in Stalin's Comintern, mum a sovietiser of Polish schoolchildren, brother a desk-top murderer. As for actual politicans (not their parents) card-carrying communists inlcuded Jacek Kuroń, Bronisław Geremek and Leszek Balcerowicz. Tadeusz Mazowiecki was not in the PZPR but supported the red regime by writing articles equating the underground resistance movement with Nazis alleging that Bishop Czesław Kaczmarek was an American and Vatican spy. Kazcmarek was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

So hunting for commies in PiS is a risky and tricky proposition for all except the horse-blinkered. The blinkers stop them seeing anything but PiS' alleged shortcomings and blunders.
OP Levi 12 | 450
17 Nov 2015  #28
Was it a simple oversight that you tended to focus on parents?

Exactly.

You cannot accuse someone of being a communist just because of family ties.

My sister for example is a commie, but i am not. Differently than me, she want to a human sciences university where she was brainwashed by socialists.
Borsukrates
17 Nov 2015  #29
But PiS is doing that. I'm merely showing double standards at work.
britannia1
17 Nov 2015  #30
Being a communist/socialist/liberal means you're anti-white. Multiculturalism and DIEversity simply means less white people. You oppose multikulti aka the death of your race/people? You MUST be an evil Nazi, how could anyone possibly be against the wonderful cultural enrichment that would make our lives 1000x better and enriching?

Look at Sweden and how progressive it is, in 15 years, they'll become a minority in their OWN countries, and it will turn into a 3rd world dump. Just how wonderful is that? So beautiful.

If you support multiculturalism, you are a genocidal maniac.

youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc


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