The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives 
 
 
User: Guest

Home / News  % width posts: 626

Throwing away the constitution in Poland?


Legal Eagle
5 Dec 2015 #121
And that will lead you to the bottom of the closet.

But not out of it.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #122
Who can fucntion when a band of frustrated losers are constantly stirring up trouble, creating ersatz conflicts and diverting the attention of the democratically elected government.

See, Polonius, this is exactly why we will win. The government is letting themselves be distracted already with conflicts and sacking almost everyone they can - which is why PiS are now only at 32% in the polls and falling away rapidly.

By the way, demonstrations are planned all over Poland next week against the government. Numbers are growing rapidly, and I'm going to try and make it to Warsaw for the demonstration outside Kaczyński's house.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Dec 2015 #123
Poland was not free

Actress Joanna Szczepkowska said on TV back in 1989: On 4th June 1989 communism ended in Poland. In actuality it ended on 25 November 2015 when for the first tim the ex-commiers got voted out of office and a truly pro-Polish party, PiS, won an outright mandate to govern. That so infuriated the embittered, frustrated and mean-spirited losers that they lauanched an all-out barrage of slander and sabotage against the newly elected government. But law and justice will utlimately prevail. Niech żyje Polska! Precz z Platformą!
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #124
I would believe you, if it wasn't for the fact that PiS is led by a man who benefited from a nomeklatura upbringing, the fact that they appointed an ex-PRL prosecutor (who was actively involved in persecuting the opposition) to the human rights commission and the fact that the party behaves entirely like the PZPR ideal of democratic centralism.
Ironside 49 | 10,304
5 Dec 2015 #125
As Mafketis says, this is all about the fact that the TK will stop PiS from abusing democracy and democratic processes.

They are living and breathing abuse of democracy and mockery of the nation.

Perhaps you might not be, but people do care about it, hence why people are on the streets today and hence why there's going to be a huge crowd outside Jarosław's house on the 13th.

All six of them? In their shoes I would be worrying what will happen if supporters of the government meet them in numbers.

Care to argue otherwise?

Anybody can cut and paste in color, it doesn't prove anything.

Actually I should have also included Lithuanians and Ukrainians.

Everybody know that Soviet union was brought down by three German flunkies.

Four years of this nonsense?

Questioning results of democratic election eh?

They wont succeed and will be fought every step of the way by those who matter

By the low scum who should be rounded up put against the wall and summarily executed.

edited - no arguments please

the PZPR ideal

Don't talk about something you have no clue about!
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #126
A lame argument I could say the same about you.

Actually, Lech Kaczyński also turns out to have supported the Constitutional Tribunal. Makes it all the more laughable that Duda sees fit to go against the words of his "mentor".

They are living and breathing abuse of democracy and mockery of the nation.

Your support for PiS couldn't be any more obvious.

All six of them? In their shoes I would be worrying what will happen if supporters of the government meet them in numbers.

Six? Blimey, Ironside... you really are completely out of touch with what's happening in Poland.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
5 Dec 2015 #127
By the low scum who should be rounded up put against the wall and summarily executed.

With Poland's history where so many innocents were murdered in such a way you really should be ashamed of that remark. Disgusting.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #128
Indeed. The lust for revenge is incredibly similar to how the Communists behaved in the 40's.
Ironside 49 | 10,304
5 Dec 2015 #129
Your support for PiS couldn't be any more obvious.

Actually I would support anybody who would pull down the system, but for the record PiS is too much to the center and too soft in few key issues.

The lust for revenge is incredibly similar to how the Communists behaved in the 40's.

Stop ,delph I understand that you are only trying to learn how to pull strings but you are so obviously clueless that it sounds pathetic.

Six? Blimey, Ironside... you really are completely out of touch with what's happening in Poland.

I know what is happening in Poland, if those clowns as it inevitably happens annoy enough people supporting change they will have their mugs smashed in, then they would be unable to jabber very loud.

With Poland's history where so many innocents were murdered in such a way you really should be ashamed of that remark. Disgusting.

Run to your mama in the old blighty and tell her that those Poles are so afoul not at all like noble Britons. That is your constant theme in here innit?

Don't try to lecture me what is appropriate and what not, this is my country and my people and you have little sense and no manners.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
5 Dec 2015 #130
this is my country and my people

Have you ever visited your country Ironside? I think we should be told.How old are you anyway?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
5 Dec 2015 #131
you really are completely out of touch with what's happening in Poland.

Yeah, just like we all were "out of touch with reality" saying that PiS is going to win :))))

Seriously, that could be a good strategy If you gays waited at least a year with this whole circus. Now I'm a bit worried about these few fools that going to "demonstrate".
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #132
Actually I would support anybody who would pull down the system, but for the record PiS is too much to the center and too soft in few key issues.

That seems remarkably similar to the rhetoric used in 1944. Why are you so keen on destroying everything that your countrymen have worked hard for?

Stop ,delph I understand that you are only trying to learn how to pull strings but you are so obviously clueless that it sounds pathetic.

Not clueless, rather quite amused that someone like you that left Poland years ago wants to establish some sort of violent dictatorship here.

I know what is happening in Poland, if those clowns as it inevitably happens annoy enough people supporting change they will have their mugs smashed in, then they would be unable to jabber very loud.

So you're advocating violence towards the opposition. That doesn't surprise me, but you know - I'm all for it. It will only put more people on the streets to resist and will lead to a change of government. Regardless of what you might think, there are certainly enough genuine Christians in PiS to walk away from the party should they try and inflict violence on peaceful protests.

Greggy - why wait a year? Numbers are growing - and PiS is losing support. So far, so good.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
5 Dec 2015 #133
Poles are so afoul

The communist Poles were "foul" and I have always agreed with Polonius that they should have faced severe punishment irrespective of what was promised at the Round Table. That included life imprisonment at the least for "people" like the last communist president and his Interior minister who died recently.

But you are Polonia at best and are far removed. And always have been, by your ignorant comments.
Legal Eagle
5 Dec 2015 #134
Numbers are growing rapidly, and I'm going to try and make it to Warsaw for the demonstration outside Kaczyński's house.

Be sure to wear a British flag so the media can identify you as a foreigner who can't vote in Polish elections, or maybe you can bring a banner, "Expats for PO". You can protest anything that you want, but if you can't vote, it should be reported, and you can't!
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
5 Dec 2015 #135
a nomeklatura upbringing

Another concoted Blowhard lie which you're uncritically repeating. Other than Blowhard speculations of the "must've", "could've" "most likely" variety, no evidence has been provided. The expat liars then try to extend it to Duda who also "must've been" nomenklatura to have studied law at UJ. Except already way back in the '60s thousands of Poles completed their studies without even belonging to the PZPR, let alone enjoying a "nomeklatura upbringing"

like Michnik.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
5 Dec 2015 #136
Be sure to wear a British flag so the media can identify you as a foreigner who can't vote in Polish elections, or maybe you can bring a banner, "Expats for PO".

I notice that you haven't managed to address the considerable errors that you made with your previous posts, particularly concerning the operation of the TK and the history of Poland. You're also making the fatal mistake of an uneducated person of assuming that anyone against PiS is automatically from PO. By the way, I've voted in numerous Polish elections.. Again, you would be wise to familiarise yourself with Poland and Polish law before commenting.

For what it's worth, I fully expect to vote in every single Polish election from now on. And I'll certainly enjoy doing so...

Another concoted Blowhard lie which you're uncritically repeating.

A lie? Care to prove otherwise?

The expat liars then try to extend it to Duda who also "must've been" nomenklatura to have studied law at UJ.

Law was, until very recently with the reform of the university admissions system, the domain of the privileged and the well connected. Any attempt to claim otherwise is clearly a poor attempt at defending Duda.
Legal Eagle
6 Dec 2015 #137
I fully expect to vote in every single Polish election from now on.

Delusional, but funny.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
6 Dec 2015 #138
Greggy - why wait a year? Numbers are growing - and PiS is losing support. So far, so good.

You mean growing to 12 from 8 last time :)))) ? Of course I mean not thousands but... "ones" :)))))
jon357 63 | 15,214
6 Dec 2015 #139
PiS are down to 32% support and falling

The tide's turning fast. Nobody expects them to last the full term of office, but this is quicker than I expected. A month or so in and there's a constitutional crisis....
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Dec 2015 #140
and falling

Have you checked the ratings of the Prime Offenders recently? Are they still double-digit?
As you well know, the "crisis" was created by PO and their illicit appointments. They're good at stirring things up, confusing matters with their deceptive propaganda and shifting the blame to PiS. That was the case with the Polish-Polish war they launched in 2005 and then tried to confuse the issue and defame PiS. And their voters were stupid enough to believe it for 8 years. But even moronic PO backers eventually wisened up.

preparing to get rid of PiS once and for all

We can all all envisage Delphie Boy nad his Blowhard sidekick out on the streets waving a placard "Down with the government" (Precz z rządem) LOL!

BTW will that be before, during or after the giant pervert-rainbow spanning Wislon Squars gets installed? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
6 Dec 2015 #141
low scum who should be rounded up put against the wall and summarily executed.

How many Polish people do you want to kill to make a better Poland?
Chemikiem 6 | 2,154
6 Dec 2015 #142
demonstrations are planned all over Poland next week against the government.

Nobody expects them to last the full term of office, but this is quicker than I expected

This is a pretty damning report about the new government I must admit:-

economist.com/news/leaders/21679470-new-government-poland-has-made-awful-start-europes-new-headache
Ironside 49 | 10,304
6 Dec 2015 #143
How many Polish people do you want to kill to make a better Poland?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood.

This is a pretty damning report about the new government I must admit:-

Lies:
1" It has violated the constitution to replace the previous government's appointees on the constitutional court".
2 "The populist Law and Justice party "
3"put partisans in charge of the intelligence agencies"
4 and 5 "purged officials and backtracked on Poland's commitments to the European Union."
6"The new culture minister threatens to purge the public broadcasters."
Some BS and meaningless blah blah:

a-"Poland's economy has been the flagship of the EU's eastward expansion, proof that democracy and the rule of law can spread. Its stability, prosperity and pro-European orientation have won it respect and diplomatic clout"

b-"The conspiracy theories that PiS favours play on Polish feelings of victimhood which are deeply held-and deeply self-indulgent."
Really? Would that excuse me if I put a boot up your hmm ...behind?

"PiS's animating drive is hostility to Poland's liberal, secular, urban elite."
Rather to the motley of dilettantes, hypocritical, corrupted, criminal, post-communist, parasitical mob sucking out all the wealth from Poland and sidling with foreign companies doing the same. While leaving general population living in squalor.

"Catholic nationalists, Eurosceptics, anti-corruption zealots, conspiracy theorists, protectionists and agrarians."
Generally people who think that being a German colony in Europe and being ruled by a clique of criminals and hereditary post-communist oligarchy/establishment is not a best way for Poland to progress and develop.

" Antoni Macierewicz, one of the worst plane-crash conspiracy theorists, is now defence minister"
How he can be a conspiracy theorist when a cause of the crash haven't been found out. His theory is as good as any.

"PiS opposes gay rights"
Gay privileges -and kudos to them to stop that madness.
"President Andrzej Duda has vetoed a sex-change law for fear that pregnant women might become men before giving birth."
That is a clearly a mockery - I expect that people who doesn't know first thing about Poland will be fooled.
"Mr Kaczynski warns that Muslim migrants "carry diseases"
Which is a fact that has been confirmed and only to be expected but I guess it wasn't very diplomatic on his part to say it, well he is old and clearly not a diplomat.

"There are murmurs of putting Mr Tusk, now president of the European Council, on trial."
Dealing in gossip now? A magazine for professionals, put some naked women on your pages.
"This lurch towards populism will hurt Poland"
Oh? Is a democratic election populism? Only a right option in power is truly democratic? I hate to burst your bubble you are professing totalitarianism.

"The European Commission's plan for redistributing migrants across the union faces dissent from Hungary and two other members of the Visegrad group, Slovakia and the Czech Republic" - yeah and Britain, Denmark flatly refused to take them, is that hush hush?

Anyway guys you are behind the times even Swedes say it is enough.

"The plane crash in Smolensk was an accident."
Loo and behold we have a prophet in our mist!

"Good relations with Germany benefit Poland, especially in opposing Russian aggression in Ukraine"
Err what? Come again....
"The new government has only just started its vandalism."
That sir or madam is a slander are you ready to face charges in the court of law?
"In normal times Europe could afford to wait (...) But these are not normal times(...)Countering them will be much easier with Polish partners who are part of the solution, not part of the problem(...)Its citizens should tell PiS to stop now."

Hell, that is serious that is incitement against a legal government, foreign legal government it could create diplomatic crisis.

Who wrote it?

MOST newspapers and magazines use bylines to identify the journalists who write their articles.

ah cowards?
By the way articles warning against PiS in the New Yolk Times sorry York Times written by Rick Lyman in cooperation with Joanna Berendt from GW.

Traitors?
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
6 Dec 2015 #144
verybody know that Soviet union was brought down by three German flunkies.

Which three flunkies would that be?
Ironside 49 | 10,304
6 Dec 2015 #145
Take your pick. I couldn't care less.

That is a prevalent theme while talking about fall of the Soviet union - Germans took them down. did you know it? You are behind the times maf.
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
6 Dec 2015 #146
So you just wrote crap. Quelle surprise!
Ironside 49 | 10,304
6 Dec 2015 #147
I read you, no need for a nasty email. just saying.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
6 Dec 2015 #148
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One wonders how many adult beverages were consumed in the making of this post.

And no, I plan to be there with the EU flag.

This is a pretty damning report about the new government I must admit:-

It's actually everything we wished for. If PiS had carried on pretending to be centrists and playing nicely while enacting their ruinous policies in quiet, we would've had far more trouble with getting people on the streets. But as it stands, they've managed to cause a constitutional crisis and they're reminding all the centrist voters exactly why they're still absolute poison.

Oh, and Legal Eagle? Please, try and make relevant posts about the Polish Constitution and the Constitutional Tribunal. It's not that difficult. Anyone that knows anything about Poland knows that European citizens can vote legally in many Polish elections.
Harry
6 Dec 2015 #149
they're reminding all the centrist voters exactly why they're still absolute poison.

More importantly, they're also reminding everybody who doesn't support them (i.e. the overwhelming majority of Poles) that it is very important to actually vote.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Dec 2015 #150
EU flag.

If you're wondering about the wording of a possible placard it might read:
PRECZ Z RZĄDEM - NIECH ŻYJE EUROKRACJA!

PS - No "adult beverages" this time of day. At most one beer before bedtime.
But what about the long-awaited rainbow?


Home / News / Throwing away the constitution in Poland?
BoldItalic [quote]
 
To post as Guest, enter a temporary username or login and post as a member.