Throwing away the constitution in Poland?

let's be realistic here 8 000 - maybe.


Why don't they suck on it - twiglets.


That would be a lie. the VC found no merit in all the circumstances including TK and PO steps but it is not up for them to solve it, so in fact it is completely immaterial what they do or don't.

Were you there? Did you (in your home a long way from Poland) see the Polish pro-democracy rally?


That would b a lie if it were untrue. Which it isn't...

I am more interested in whether they promised to **** up the CC in their manifesto. If not then the absolutely no leg to stand on if they claim 'democratic rights'.

They didn't say a word about it.

The latest case: at night, PiS, thanks to its majority in the Parliament, decided to introduce crucial changes in election voting system. They are trying to run May elections at all cost.

They are terrified of this election... how many people are they willing to endanger to cling on to the presidency?

In fact, the opposition acts as if terrified of the results of the May election.
I am certain that if the death toll is rising and Poland faces something similar to the Italian scenario, the elections will be called off.

Don`t tell us what they will or not do. Tell us sth else: what is your personal opinion on putting off elections?

It is too soon to decide.
If by the end of the April the epidemic in Poland is defeated, the elections should go as scheduled.
If throughout the April we witness the rise of the infections, it should be called off.

OK, that`s fair enough. At least you are not like some of those maniacs from PiS.

In the middle of the night, one of their sleazy little techniques.

Hopefully, the Senate will block it.

Or not? The new unconstitutional law will be passed and then the EU and Supreme Court will declare it null and void. The elections will have to be repeated. How about such a scenarion?

The only maniacs in Polish government can be found if opposition. Watching them in TVN, all terrified of the elections, it is truly disgusting experience.

Hopefully. How would they even get the international observers right now?

They predict that by May the threat from CV in Poland will go anyway at lest till autumn.

My sense is that the role of national governments, inc. their rulings, will gradually move towards a daytine TV "reality show" model, giving way to the model where the real authority slides down to local security juntas, by some loosley defined emergency edicts, letting them basically do what they feel like with citizens.

74% think the election should be postponed; even most Duda supporters think that...

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Some mayors and presidents refused to organise elections in their towns.
It won't be safe for the voters and the people in the commisions. Especially that the latter have to attend some preparatory meetings.

I saw that the Council Leader in Ciechanów had said that yesterday. Only sensible.

In any case, how would the election observation by the OSCE be managed? they certainly couldn't fly observers in at the moment, and wiithout international observation, any election would be problematic.

How are the Poles abroad going to vote ?

Anyway this requires disobedience from mayors etc - it's too serious to let them get away with it. Tax strike if required.

They won't be able to do. PiS intend to completely disenfranchise those abroad.

Well I suppose that might be good news - no more voting by people who have been in Chicago and Toronto for decades

Huh? Why? I can imagine that the European diaspora aren't happy with PiS but American Polonia (further away less contacts less informed) were more dependable....

Or is this late stage corruption (a la Greece whose citizens abroad are not allowed to vote despite that right being in their constitution)?

They probably even themselves out though I think in October the diaspora on balance voted against PiS.

But I can't see these elections going ahead - for a start the polling place is a workplace and they just introduced a bunch more restrictions.

It gets even worse. They're now proposing a solution that involves universal postal voting and use of the army/police to count the votes.

There is no way that will happen.... I personally know of a couple of former PiS supporters who can't swallow their current election tactics....even if they make it through somehow.... it's the end of any credibility for most people... it's like the PRL in early 1989....