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Throwing away the constitution in Poland?


Ironside 49 | 10,304
11 Apr 2016 #601
80,000

let's be realistic here 8 000 - maybe.

according to a draft report from a European legal advisory body

Why don't they suck on it - twiglets.

the Venice Commission's draft report found little or no merit in any of the government's steps.

That would be a lie. the VC found no merit in all the circumstances including TK and PO steps but it is not up for them to solve it, so in fact it is completely immaterial what they do or don't.
jon357 63 | 15,214
11 Apr 2016 #602
let's be realistic here 8 000 - maybe.

Were you there? Did you (in your home a long way from Poland) see the Polish pro-democracy rally?

That would be a lie

That would b a lie if it were untrue. Which it isn't...
pweeg
11 Apr 2016 #603
They pretty well backtracked on all the ones that sounded worthwhile, not that there were many.

I am more interested in whether they promised to **** up the CC in their manifesto. If not then the absolutely no leg to stand on if they claim 'democratic rights'.
pawian 170 | 11,331
28 Mar 2020 #605
The PiS government has been making a steady attack on the rule of law

The latest case: at night, PiS, thanks to its majority in the Parliament, decided to introduce crucial changes in election voting system. They are trying to run May elections at all cost.
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
28 Mar 2020 #606
They are trying to run May elections at all cost.

They are terrified of this election... how many people are they willing to endanger to cling on to the presidency?
kondzior 10 | 1,021
29 Mar 2020 #607
In fact, the opposition acts as if terrified of the results of the May election.
I am certain that if the death toll is rising and Poland faces something similar to the Italian scenario, the elections will be called off.
pawian 170 | 11,331
29 Mar 2020 #608
the elections will be called off.

Don`t tell us what they will or not do. Tell us sth else: what is your personal opinion on putting off elections?
kondzior 10 | 1,021
29 Mar 2020 #609
It is too soon to decide.
If by the end of the April the epidemic in Poland is defeated, the elections should go as scheduled.
If throughout the April we witness the rise of the infections, it should be called off.
pawian 170 | 11,331
29 Mar 2020 #610
OK, that`s fair enough. At least you are not like some of those maniacs from PiS.
jon357 63 | 15,214
29 Mar 2020 #611
at night, PiS,

In the middle of the night, one of their sleazy little techniques.
pawian 170 | 11,331
29 Mar 2020 #612
Hopefully, the Senate will block it.

Or not? The new unconstitutional law will be passed and then the EU and Supreme Court will declare it null and void. The elections will have to be repeated. How about such a scenarion?
kondzior 10 | 1,021
29 Mar 2020 #613
At least you are not like some of those maniacs from PiS

The only maniacs in Polish government can be found if opposition. Watching them in TVN, all terrified of the elections, it is truly disgusting experience.
jon357 63 | 15,214
29 Mar 2020 #614
Hopefully, the Senate will block it.

Hopefully. How would they even get the international observers right now?
Ironside 49 | 10,304
29 Mar 2020 #615
At least you are not like some of those maniacs from PiS.

They predict that by May the threat from CV in Poland will go anyway at lest till autumn.
Sylvio 18 | 137
29 Mar 2020 #616
My sense is that the role of national governments, inc. their rulings, will gradually move towards a daytine TV "reality show" model, giving way to the model where the real authority slides down to local security juntas, by some loosley defined emergency edicts, letting them basically do what they feel like with citizens.
jon357 63 | 15,214
30 Mar 2020 #617
74% think the election should be postponed; even most Duda supporters think that...

rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wybory-prezydenckie2020/sondaze/news-najnowszy-sondaz-blisko-80-procent-polakow-za-przesunieciem-,nId,4411315?fbclid=IwAR1SKZySTq932gjU6tHVhge1NFJPLz042SqIUp1py5p-wdwOZhvWE4XdKyA
kaprys 3 | 2,359
30 Mar 2020 #618
Some mayors and presidents refused to organise elections in their towns.
It won't be safe for the voters and the people in the commisions. Especially that the latter have to attend some preparatory meetings.
jon357 63 | 15,214
30 Mar 2020 #619
Some mayors and presidents refused to organise elections in their towns.

I saw that the Council Leader in Ciechanów had said that yesterday. Only sensible.

In any case, how would the election observation by the OSCE be managed? they certainly couldn't fly observers in at the moment, and wiithout international observation, any election would be problematic.
cms neuf - | 1,588
31 Mar 2020 #620
How are the Poles abroad going to vote ?

Anyway this requires disobedience from mayors etc - it's too serious to let them get away with it. Tax strike if required.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
31 Mar 2020 #621
How are the Poles abroad going to vote ?

They won't be able to do. PiS intend to completely disenfranchise those abroad.
cms neuf - | 1,588
31 Mar 2020 #622
Well I suppose that might be good news - no more voting by people who have been in Chicago and Toronto for decades
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
31 Mar 2020 #623
PiS intend to completely disenfranchise those abroad.

Huh? Why? I can imagine that the European diaspora aren't happy with PiS but American Polonia (further away less contacts less informed) were more dependable....

Or is this late stage corruption (a la Greece whose citizens abroad are not allowed to vote despite that right being in their constitution)?
cms neuf - | 1,588
31 Mar 2020 #624
They probably even themselves out though I think in October the diaspora on balance voted against PiS.

But I can't see these elections going ahead - for a start the polling place is a workplace and they just introduced a bunch more restrictions.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
31 Mar 2020 #625
Or is this late stage corruption

It gets even worse. They're now proposing a solution that involves universal postal voting and use of the army/police to count the votes.
OP mafketis 23 | 8,382
31 Mar 2020 #626
universal postal voting

There is no way that will happen.... I personally know of a couple of former PiS supporters who can't swallow their current election tactics....even if they make it through somehow.... it's the end of any credibility for most people... it's like the PRL in early 1989....


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