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Throwing away the constitution in Poland?


delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #571
When your only tool is a hammer.....

I'm just waiting for PiS to overreact now, really. If these demonstrations attract anything comparable to last weekend, I can see PiS engineering some pretext to ban the marches.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #572
set their goons on one of these marches

Provocation is a matter of time. They are always a part of these manufactured "revolutions".
Harry
17 Dec 2015 #573
PiS engineering some pretext to ban the marches.

At which point it really game over for them.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #574
I'm just waiting for PiS to overreact now, really.

Sure you do. "You" want it so much that "you" will "make" it happen.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #575
If they can't deal with a very peaceful protest, then they deserve all they get.

At which point it really game over for them.

Yes, any attempt to rush through late-night legislation (as is their usual tactic) will mean the end of Duda, the clown.
G (undercover)
17 Dec 2015 #576
Duda, the clown.

Why do use the hate speech against the President elected by the Polish people, foreigner ?
Harry
17 Dec 2015 #577
Duda, the clown.

Isn't the correct phrase 'that cat Duda'?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #578
Meow.

Can't post it now, but I found a cracking comparison made by Nowoczesna about how Duda lied through his teeth about the TK.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
17 Dec 2015 #579
If they can't deal with a very peaceful protest, then they deserve all they get.

you sill do not get it do you!
There is no way thing will go back to the way they were, whoever think that is wrong.
You don't have a feel for Polish moods, you were certain that PO will win, you were wrong and I was right, look at the respective posts.

If you think that majority of people are supporting demonstrations you are wrong.
The reason I'm annoyed by your flaming here is that I don't want blood on the streets and civil war. If that happens I will personally blame you!
jon357 63 | 15,214
17 Dec 2015 #580
Yes, any attempt to rush through late-night legislation (as is their usual tactic) will mean the end of Duda, the clown

The writing's on the wall already for both him and the party leader he is a puppet of.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
17 Dec 2015 #581
lied through his teeth

Through 8 years of PO thefts, scams, scnadals and irregularities when those at the helm were getting hefty kickbacks from their Western coporrate masters you were totally silent. Now all of a sudden when an honest and decent grouping has finally been elected you are tripping over yourself to find fault, malign, besmirch and discredit. Strange, eh?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #582
honest and decent grouping

Is that why they keep replacing ordinary people with ex-PZPR functionaries? The latest news I saw is that PKN Orlen now have an ex-PZPR member that the helm.

The reason I'm annoyed by your flaming here is that I don't want blood on the streets and civil war.

If there's blood on the streets and civil war, then the only person that can be blamed is Jarosław Kaczyński.

Incidentally, the latest poll shows that 72% of Poles think that Duda is a puppet of Kaczyński.
jon357 63 | 15,214
17 Dec 2015 #583
Incidentally, the latest poll shows that 72% of Poles think that Duda is a puppet of Kaczyński.

And the rest think he's his cat.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #584
:D

My all time favourite banner. I need to think of something witty for Saturday...
Ironside 49 | 10,311
17 Dec 2015 #585
If there's blood on the streets and civil war, then the only person that can be blamed is Jarosław Kaczyński.

Many people will be rightly blamed but I will blame you!
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
17 Dec 2015 #586
Instead of blaming, I'll be out there opposing.

The fact that you and the other right wingers are all talking about blood on the streets and civil war shows that you're willing to kill Poles for a political agenda.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
17 Dec 2015 #587
avourite banner

Here's a suggestion for some demo banners:

LONG LIVE PETRU - A WESTERN BANKSTER'S DREAM COME TRUE!

JOIN OUR MARCH FOR MORE FOREIGN CONTROL OVER POLAND'S ECONOMY

EUROCRATS FOEREVER!

PiS AREN'T GONNA DISRUPT OUR PERKS & KICKBACKS

FOR A PETRU/PO/PSL COALITION GOVERNMENT!

MICHNIK HAS A MONOPOLY ON TRUTH - THE REST ARE LIARS!

A TRUE POLE HAS ONLY ONE HOMELAND -- BRUSSELS!

TOADIES OF WESTERN BIG-MONEY FORCES UNITE!

POLAND WANTS MORE WESTERN BANKS, RETAILERS AND ASSEMBLY PLANTS!

with ex-PZPR functionaries

Except the PO have four times as many in their ranks - 30 just in their parliamentary club alone!
Explain that, won't you?
Borsukrates 5 | 131
27 Dec 2015 #588
Merged: Professor Ludwik Turko rejects award from president Andrzej Duda

President Andrzej Duda awarded Krzyż Wolności i Solidarności (Cross of Freedom and Solidarity) to professor Ludwik Turko (Physicist).

Ludwik Turko rejected the award.

Reasons he gave:
* The president knowingly broke the rules of legal state.
* The president hasn't accepted swearing-in of the 3 legally a chosen judges of Trybunał Konstytucyjny (Constitutional Court).
* He said actions of Duda are an exceptional case of submissiveness and cynism.

This is interesting, because Turko accepted an award from the earlier president of PiS - Lech Kaczyński.

The Cross is awarded to exceptional opposition activists in the PRL (Communist) era.
Ironside 49 | 10,311
27 Dec 2015 #589
Another obscure dude who play politicks as if that drama would impress anyone. It is well know that most professors are weak in the head and compromised.

The only reason he forgot to mention that he took side and probably doesn't deserve that cross anyway.
Crow 139 | 8,609
27 Dec 2015 #590
Strangers have their interests in Poland and they have their man in Poland. So, no wonder that masks now falling down and goes pressure on Duda when Poland tries to force independent policy.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
29 Dec 2015 #591
Merged: Duda travels over 700 km to sign TK bill into law

Tabloid Fakt has reported President Duda interrupting his Christmas holiday in Wisła to drive to Warsaw and back again (over 700 km) to sign the TK bill into law. PO are planning to contest the law with the TK.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
10 Apr 2016 #592
Merged: PiS Electoral Manifesto

Could anyone point me to this, i.e. the promises PiS made, before the election, that got them elected.

I would like to check whether PiS have a democratic mandate to change the Constitution.
Harry
10 Apr 2016 #593
I would like to check whether PiS have a democratic mandate to change the Constitution.

They do not. They aren't even close to the number of votes needed to change the constitution.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
10 Apr 2016 #594
to change the constitution, I would expect to have the Senate's approval as well...
pweeg3
10 Apr 2016 #595
They aren't even close to the number of votes needed to change the constitution

Was it an election pledge?
terri 1 | 1,665
11 Apr 2016 #596
Election pledges are ONLY to win elections. You should know that. In fact, one very well-known, very tired politician when asked said 'well, unless we promised the people that, we would not have won the election'.. says it all.

Once you're in - there are NO rules. This is called 'democracy'.....
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Apr 2016 #597
aren't even close to the number

You're assuming that all Petru and Schetyna lovers are unpatriotic selfish scumbags thinking only of the trough. Unless party vote discipline is enforced, some of those MPs migth rise to the occasion and show they too are decent Poles. The constitution definitely needs to be changed and de-ambiguised to prevent the kind of contradictory interpretation that now exists.
jon357 63 | 15,214
11 Apr 2016 #598
Election pledges are ONLY to win elections.

Exactly. They pretty well backtracked on all the ones that sounded worthwhile, not that there were many.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Apr 2016 #599
ll the ones that sounded worthwhile

Name some! We all know you love sweeping generalisations but maybe it's high time to start backing them with concrete evidence.
jon357 63 | 15,214
11 Apr 2016 #600
Looks like it's all still getting worse:

Changes to Poland's constitutional court pushed through by its new conservative government "endanger not only the rule of law, but also the functioning of the democratic system," according to a draft report from a European legal advisory body.

the Venice Commission's draft report found little or no merit in any of the government's steps.

As many as 80,000 anti-government demonstrators took to the streets of Warsaw on Saturday afternoon, waving Polish and EU flags, and holding signs warning of Law and Justice's intentions.

politico.eu/article/poland-kaczynski-szydlo-tribunal-constitution-crisis/


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