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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 May 2016 #2,131
"voivodeship"

Nie prawda! Voivodship nad voivodeship are alternate spellings and both are correct.

Petru and Schetyna

A poll caried out for GW by Millward Brown has shown President Duda to be invincible in the 2020 presidential election. In the second round of the vote he would defeat: Tuska 47-41, Petru 47-41, Lis 46-37, Owsiak 46-35, Schetyna 48-33, Biedroń 49-32, Kijowski 50-23 and Kaczyński 58-3!

This clearly shows why the PiS strategy of having a backseat leader is a winning proposition. Kaczyński's determination, forceful tactics and long-range strategy enjoy widespread support but he is not viewed as an up-front figure.
Harry
2 Jun 2016 #2,132
In the second round of the vote he would defeat: Tuska 47-41, Petru 47-41, Lis 46-37, Owsiak 46-35, Schetyna 48-33, Biedroń 49-32

Interesting to see that the lovers of PIS plan to do away with the requirement for their man to win 50% in the second round.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
2 Jun 2016 #2,133
Nie prawda! Voivodship nad voivodeship are alternate spellings

Polo, I am obliged to remind you that 'nieprawda' must be written together.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2016 #2,134
'nieprawda' must be written together.

You're right, many dzięks! You of course know how to translate "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" into Polish.

It is: prowda, tys prowda i gówno prowda!
Yes, voivodeship is by far the preferred version. In older texts one can occasioanlly encounter voivod and voivodship just like the antiquated Cracow. I promise to clean up my Polish, so feel free to remind me whenever I go astray.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Jun 2016 #2,135
Interesting to see that the lovers of PIS plan to do away with the requirement for their man to win 50% in the second round

Very disturbing as are all their attacks on democracy and on Poland however we can't of course guess at this stage who of the obvious (or less obvious) candidates will replace the dud Duda in 2020; certainly the field won't be as wide as in PiS' silly poll.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2016 #2,136
attacks on democracy

That's just so much propaganda for the masses. Nobody cares about democracy or some constitution, least of all the hyper-business-interest bloc known as the EU. It's all about the old outgoing elite facing off the new one -- a situation as old as mankind itself. Re-read Machiavelli -- it's all there and never changes. Or "Animal Farm" -- a nice metaphor. You blokes can't be that naive to believe all those pious political platitudes!?

Nie prawda

Probably the only time it'd be written separately would be in such sentences as: To nie prawda lecz kłamstwo! Do you agree*?
smurf 39 | 1,981
2 Jun 2016 #2,137
Nobody cares about democracy or some constitution

And that right there ladies and gents is the reason Poland is heading towards a Catholic-fascist totalitarianism state

Enjoy
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2016 #2,138
Nobody cares

Neither do the real powers that be in Germany, France, Britian, the US etc. care about such legal niceties and political platitudes ("I'm just here to serve he people!"). That is the window dressing for the gullible and swayable voting masses in liberal, authoritarian and dictatorial countries alike everyhwere. Probably Poles may be a bit more immune to such platitudes becuase of their experience: partitions, inter-bellum, Nazi period, Soviet satellite status and the rule of the post-rountable clique. Because also today they tend to say: "Jeśli nie wiadomo, o co chodzi, to chodzi o pieniądze!"
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Jun 2016 #2,139
It's all about the old outgoing elite facing off the new one

The 'elite' are going nowhere fast and there is no 'new elite'. The people you would like to pretend are 'elite' are just here-today-gone-tomorrow extremist politicians, populist ones and reactionary ones in a tradition that always loses in the end.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2016 #2,140
a tradition that always loses

No, it's a cyclical process. The pendulum swings and always has from one extreme to the other with an occasionally respite at centre. Whether you personally approve or not, the leftist-liberal/libertine/secularist project still holds some water among those of late middle age and in pre-retirement and OAP circles, but it is receding, as more and more younger folk are looking to traditonal conservative and patriotic values. This is happening all over -- across Europe and in the USA. If that were not the case, Labour would be permanetly in power in the UK, Communists and Social Democrats would rule the roost across Europe.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Jun 2016 #2,141
The pendulum swings and always has from one extreme to the other

No it doesnt.

This is happening all over -- across Europe and in the USA.

Likewise.

In the end, moderation always triumphs and yes, the advance of progressive causes is unstoppable.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Jun 2016 #2,142
progressive causes

Like maybe the right to copulate with pets or livestock?
Mr Wiech 2 | 38
2 Jun 2016 #2,143
You can do it, there is no law against it. I not tell.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
3 Jun 2016 #2,144
PiS really are the gift that keeps giving. Another day, another scandal.

superstacja.tv/wiadomosc/2016-06-01/kompromitacja-msz-byly-esbek-przyjmie-delegacje-panstw-nato

This time, it concerns the well known SB man, Jarosław Spyra. He's now working for the MSW, helping to organise the NATO summit in Warsaw. Time and time again, we see that PiS = PZPRbis.
jon357 66 | 17,078
3 Jun 2016 #2,145
Like maybe the right to copulate with pets or livestock?

Have PiS suggested that? I know they're largely rural, however that's nutty even for them.

Time and time again, we see that PiS = PZPRbis.

Sadly yes, and the new 'Macierewicz Militia' sounds downright disturbing. Some sort of Territorial Army makes sense - it works well enough in the UK however here I suspect that the result will be different as will the profile of largely unemployed young men who he wants to recruit.
smurf 39 | 1,981
3 Jun 2016 #2,146
Nobody cares

That's pretty sad even from you Yank

I didn't write 'nobody cares' in this thread, you've picked that from elsewhere.
Absolutely pathetic
Wulkan - | 3,250
3 Jun 2016 #2,147
Libtards crying about PiS is like a music to my ears, you can't get bored of that.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,282
4 Jun 2016 #2,148
Probably the only time it'd be written separately would be in such sentences as: To nie prawda lecz kłamstwo! Do you agree*?

Yes, I do. This is because 'nie' refers here to the verb 'jest' which is not present, but must be assumed in this sentence. Notice that when the sentence is made in the form 'To jest nieprawda', the rule 'nie+noun should be written together' is still observed here..

Stick to the topic please
Religio
23 Jun 2016 #2,149
Merged: Support for PiS in June 2016 is up to 41%

A poll conducted by Warsaw's Pracownia Analiz Społeczno-Politycznych showed support for PiS at 41% and surprisingly for Kukiz'15 at 19%. PO could count on 14% backing, KORWIN 7% and .Nowoczesna 6%. No other party would clear the 5% threshold.

parlamentarny.pl/sondaze/pis-powyzej-40-proc-niespodzianka-wysoki-wynik-kukiz-15-dalej-po-korwin-i-nowoczesna,93.html
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
23 Sep 2016 #2,150
Merged: Polish government planning restructuring -- PM Szydło

PM Beata Szydło has made it plainly clear that her govt was headed for restructuring, not only personnel changes. Ministers cannot just officiate and bide their time but must be effective, she stressed. Word is going round that health min. Radziwiłł and finance min. Szałamacha may get the axe. Morawiecki's position will probably grow as he will most likely get to oversee the finance ministry and possibly other economic offices. Kaczyński will most likely not become PM as he did during Marcinkiewicz's stint, because the Polish people do not want him in that position. He is at his best as a strategist with a grand overview of the situation, not bogged down by day-to-day dilemmas the way a PM is.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
24 Sep 2016 #2,151
Kaczyński will most likely not become PM as he did during Marcinkiewicz's stint, because the Polish people do not want him in that position. He is at his best as a strategist with a grand overview of the situation, not bogged down by day-to-day dilemmas the way a PM is.

Ah... more and more power and no accountability.... What could possiblye go wrong?
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,152
Polish government planning restructuring -- PM Szydło

Does PM still stand for Puppet Minister? Or has she moved on from being only the lips that speak her master's voice.

Morawiecki's position will probably grow

One would certainly hope that it doesn't given that in just the last week he has admitted that PIS tells lies to win elections:

When asked about his party's critique of the role foreigners play in Poland's economy, he said some statements were made in the heat of election campaigns.
"Please don't mistake rhetoric with our true intentions."

dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3803570/Polish-minister-appears-play-tough-rhetoric-foreign-investors.html

Although lying is something that PIS ministers like to do. Foreign minister Waszczykowski went on TVP to attack a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who writes for some of the finest publications on the planet and had written about the plane crash at Smolensk. Waszczykowski claimed that due to the article Applebaum had been fired by the think tank she works for (like to that claim in Polish tvp.info/27026877/think-tank-w-waszyngtonie-po-tym-artykule-zwolnil-pania-applebaum-ze-wspolpracy). Unfortunately for him, the think tank in question, which he hadn't even managed to name correctly, released the following statement on twitter:

For the record: Anne Applebaum remains a Sr. Adjunct Fellow at CEPA, co-leading our Russian Disinformation Initiative.

twitter.com/cepa/status/778696304633393154
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Sep 2016 #2,153
lying is something that PIS ministers like to do

If that is true, then it's strange you do not support or share an affinity with them. Birds of a feather... They might even create a Liar Laureate award to present to deserving Anglo-expats.
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,154
They might even create a Liar Laureate award to present to deserving Anglo-expats.

The only anglo-expat who posts here is you; may I post links to your articles with blatant lies in them so people can see if you're a good candidate for the award you mention?

Anyway, back to PIS being corrupt and getting their snouts wedged firmly into the trough. Allow me to introduce PF to Maciej Shota. He's the 31-year-old owner of a kebab stall, political science graduate and former local councilor for PIS. Apparently those are the exact qualities which one needs in order to be appointed new deputy director of the research department of PGNiG.

Link in Polish: money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/misiewicz-misiewicze-maciej-szota-pgnig-kebab,89,0,2157145.html (summary: Maciej Shota, is a former PIS local councilor and the owner of a fast-food kebab and has been appointed deputy director of the research department of PGNiG).
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Sep 2016 #2,155
Maciej Shota

There's not such person in Poland so obviously you have made it up.
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,156
There's not such person in Poland

Thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake: it is of course Maciej Szota who demonstrates that owning a kebab stall and graduating in political science give precisely the skills one needs to be the deputy director of the research department of PGNiG, provided that one is a PIS loyalist.

so obviously you have made it up.

Such a pity that you don't understand the importance of having and providing sources, but then your articles always made that crystal clear; such a pity we can only read them here now. Anyway here's another source: superbiz.se.pl/wiadomosci-biz/prowadzil-bar-z-kebabami-zostal-dyrektorem-w-pgnig_893122.html (summary in English: Maciej Szota, is a former PIS local councilor and the owner of a fast-food kebab and has been appointed deputy director of the research department of PGNiG).

Oink, oink! PIS are getting their snouts wedged firmly into the trough!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Sep 2016 #2,157
PIS loyalist

As if PO-Psl didn't give all the cushy posts to theri party loyalists. Move over PO and PSL! Their reply: Oink, oink, we won't, having skimjmed, scammed and ruled for 8 years we have a God-given right to rule the roost forever more.

PGNiG

You've just proved once again that you talk out of the side of your mouth with a forked tongue, as Amerindians used to say. You type PIS claiming because you're too lazy to press the shift key and type it correctly: PiS, but then you use the correct abbreviation of PGNiG. In Harryesque typescript shouldn't it be PGNIG?
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,158
shouldn't it be PGNIG?

Fair enough, and thanks for giving me an opportunity to say this for a third time, as Maciej Szota demonstrates, owning a kebab stall and graduating in political science give precisely the skills one needs to be the deputy director of the research department of PGNiG, provided that one is a PIS loyalist.

PO-Psl didn't give all the cushy posts to theri party loyalists.

They gave nothing to theri anything, as you have just made the word theri up. If you meant 'their', name three PO appointed state-owned industry officials who were as spectacularly under-qualified as Maciej Szota, who demonstrates that owning a kebab stall and graduating in political science give all the skills one needs to be the deputy director of the research department of PGNiG, provided that one is a PIS loyalist.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Sep 2016 #2,159
theri

Lacking a substantive riposte you latch onto a typo. I guess the bullying you were put through in your youth will be with you forever. The point is that all administrations everywhere prefer their own loyalists to outsiders. That's no PiS invention. Tusk put Rzepliński into power and things won't normalise until he gets the boot in December.

superbiz

Since when have you considered the trashy Super Express tabloid a reliable source? It is at the same level as Jew Michnik's GW (Gówniane Wiadomości).
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,160
Lacking a substantive riposte you latch onto a typo. I guess the bullying you were put through in your youth will be with you forever.

You are the living personification of hypocrisy, aren't you. But I guess that all of those attacks you launch on the men who are brave enough to be open about the sexuality they share with you have left you unable to detect hypocrisy.

Lacking any riposte at all to the disgrace that is Maciej Szota, who demonstrates that owning a kebab stall and graduating in political science give all the skills one needs to be the deputy director of the research department of PGNiG, provided that one is a PIS loyalist, you instead latch onto a typo. I, on the other hand, was able to point out that while PO appointed people to various positions, they picked qualified people. An example would be Rzeplinski, who was widely and highly respected in the legal community (unlike, for example, that cat Duda, whose reputation in the legal community is now so low that even his colleagues in the Krakow uni faculty of law are openly critical of his illegal actions). Rzeplinski of course has demonstrated his utter suitability for his post by defending law and the constitution against the attacks of PIS. A sharp contrast to the likes of economist Marek Skomorowski, who was appointed head of a horse stud despite admitting he had had no previous contact with horses (and saying they would surely become his new hobby) and promptly drove the reputation of the stud so far into the toilet that this year's sale was an utter farce which even featured fake bids.

And then we have the PIS appointees who don't even meet the legal minimum in terms of qualifications for being appointed, such as Bartlomiej Misiewicz, appointed to the supervisory board of the Polish Armaments Group despite he not completing the necessary qualification for supervisory board members, and not even having graduated from university. But more of Misiewicz (and the rest of the Misiewicze) in another post.

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