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Poland's post-election political scene


OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 Sep 2016 #2,161
cat Duda

You see, Rzepliński is a politician siding with PO against the democratically elected government and advising PO politicians on how they should proceed. He has therefroe vioiated the priciple that a judge should be an apolitical and impartial arbiter. He is neither. His judges' hate session was attended by opposition poiliticians who wouldn't have been there if it had been a a truly judicially-oriented conference dealing with the judiciary's internal affairs.

The whole TK business is one big farce and a hands-on exericse in hypocrisy. The PO-PSL government had failed to implement not 5, not 10, not even 20 or 30 but 48 TK rulings. And what? Nothing. Not a peep from the Jewish rag or TVN, no snitching to the EU, foreign governments or Western media, no noisy demos with portraits of Tusk with Hitler-style moustache. Don't you wonder why?.
Harry
25 Sep 2016 #2,162
Don't you wonder why?.

Right now I'm wondering why your post has been invisibly edited by a mod instead of being binned and you warned.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
26 Sep 2016 #2,163
It is at the same level as Jew Michnik's GW (Gówniane Wiadomości).

Mods, did this get a warning? If not, why not?
Wulkan - | 3,250
26 Sep 2016 #2,164
Why would he get a warning for that, where is it breaking the rules?
mafketis 24 | 9,387
26 Sep 2016 #2,165
where is it breaking the rules?

his name is "Adam" not Jew* and the name of the paper is "Gazeta Wyborcza" supposedly there's a rule against distorting proper names

*use of the word Jew as an adjective highly correlates with anti-semitism, the correct adjective (for non-primitives) is "Jewish" though that's problematic since it primarily refers to a religion (which Adam Michnik does not practice).
Wulkan - | 3,250
26 Sep 2016 #2,166
his name is "Adam" not Jew*

But he is a Jew, mentioning it is not against the rules.

name of the paper is "Gazeta Wyborcza" supposedly there's a rule against distorting proper names

This rule is for People and political parties, never been used for the names of papers.

use of the word Jew as an adjective highly correlates with anti-semitism

No, Jew is a Jew. Saying someone is a Jew when he is a Jew is not anti-semitism.

which Adam Michnik does not practice

Doesn't make any difference, he is then not practicing Jew.

that's problematic

WTF? are you social justice warrior or something? did you get triggered by his post? :-)))
mafketis 24 | 9,387
26 Sep 2016 #2,167
But he is a Jew, mentioning it is not against the rules.

But doing so in a normal way, not in a way traditionally mostly used by raving anti-semites.

Jew Michnik - sounds a little like Pollack Duda,

Jewish publisher Michnik would be okay.

are you social justice warrior or something?

thought it would be fun to use the word, anyhoo English (and Polish) don't easily make the distinction between "ethnically/genetically" Jewish persons and persons who practice Judaism. Russian does (I forget how but it does) and I think making the distinction in English and Polish would be useful.
Wulkan - | 3,250
26 Sep 2016 #2,168
not in a way traditionally mostly used by raving anti-semites.

And what is the definition of this way?

Jew Michnik - sounds a little like Pollack Duda

Not to me, you just take it all wrong.

Jewish publisher Michnik would be okay.

Jewish publisher Szechter would be even better.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
26 Sep 2016 #2,169
Not to me, you just take it all wrong.

You're not a native speaker, you don't hear things the way they do (just like I don't always hear Polish words and constructions the way native speakers do).

Jewish publisher Szechter

What about Jewish PiS leader Kalkstein?

*Kalkstein/Kalkstejn according to some (probably crazy) people being the real, Jewish, name of the Kaczyńskis....
Marsupial - | 886
26 Sep 2016 #2,170
I will settle for 'jew with printing press'.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
26 Sep 2016 #2,171
Of Jew who helped save Poles from the communists?

Jew who did more for Poland than almost any of the people who obsessively comment on his Jewish heritage?
Harry
26 Sep 2016 #2,172
This rule is for People and political parties

Clearly that rule no longer applies to Po. In post 2,297 on this page he deliberately misspelled my name but a moderator made an invisible edit of his post. I'm wondering whether that moderator action was supposed to be a comment on the Misiewicze phenomenon, giving us PF's very own Misiewicze to whom the rules for everybody else are very clearly not applied.

Back to the topic, this is not the place for this nonsense

the government who continue implementing good changes

Interesting that you consider appointing a political science graduate who owns a kebab shop to a key post in a state-owned company to be a good change. Does your definition of good change also include illegally appointing people who fail to meet the legal minimums, such as Bartlomiej Misiewicz, appointed to the supervisory board of the Polish Armaments Group despite not having the necessary qualification for members of supervisory boards of state-owned companies and not even having graduated from university?

And there's more of the good changes to. Due to the hilarious economic incompetence of a government which decided to massively increase spending without first securing increased income, Poland now risks losing billions of euros of EU funds when its budget deficit goes above the three percent limit. Details are here: ft.com/content/49188090-83c7-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15.

But then what can one expect from a regime led by Chairman Kaczynski, a man so economically illiterate that he hadn't even worked out how to open a bank account until after the people of Poland slung him out of office. While normal people need to take loans for large purchases and rely on credit cards for unexpected bills, Chairman Kaczynski just used his mother's bank account all the time he was prime minister. He didn't even know that Poles don't do all their shopping at the cornershop because it's too expensive there! And now he's what he himself says is the "real actual leader" of the 'prime minister' and that cat Duda, Poland finds itself back in the economic mire.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Sep 2016 #2,173
owns a kebab shop to a key post

Sounds like a PO practice. That good-looking former sport minister She-Cat Mucha appointed her hairdresser to a senior post in the Central Sport Centre although he had no previous experience in sport management. In fact, his only connection with sport was that he was once on the jury of a Miss Teenage Polonia contest. But that as well as an entire litany of PO scams, scandals, misappointments and misappropriations somehow whizzed by you unnotoiced for eight long years. Interesting, eh?
Harry
27 Sep 2016 #2,174
Another day, yet more examples of the 18% regime illegally wedging their snouts firmly into the trough. Under Polish law, a person is only allowed to sit on the supervisory board of one company in which the Polish state owns more than 50% of the shares. However, Gazeta Prawna has discovered that PIS have been completely ignoring that law, not surprising really, given that they are happy to ignore the Polish constitution whenever it suits them. The 18% gang have been appointing their loyalists to the supervisory boards of two, three, four or even five different state-owned companies. Perhaps Po can give us a better example of what Chairman Kaczynski referred to as "teraz kurwa my"?

The good news for the Polish taxpayer is that now this disgusting piece of illegal enrichment at the expense of the nation has been exposed, the courts can order the illegally appointed PISites (what is the noun for disciples of Chairman Kaczynski?) to pay back their ill-gotten gains. The problem is that every decision taken by every supervisory board which has one of these law-breaking scum on it is automatically invalid, which means that all of those decisions can be challenged in courts. So anybody who for any reason who doesn't like any decision taken by any of those supervisory boards can challenge it in court.

A particularly interesting example of a PIS snout being wedged into the trough is Janina Goss, who you might remember 'lent' Chairman Kaczynski 200,000zl. Back in March she was appointed a member of the supervisory board of Poland's energy company, PGE, despite having had zero contact with a large energy company and having spent the previous decades working for the "Społem" Cooperative Grocers company as as a legal advisor. Well apparently that wasn't enough for her, so in July she joined the board of Bank Ochrony Srodowiska, the major shareholder of which is National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management, which is a state institution. Oink oink!

The Gazeta Prawna article can be read here biznes.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/979147,ustawa-kominowa-sobie-a-pis-sobie.html English summary: PIS illegally appoints its lackeys to the supervisory boards of multiple state-owned companies despite Polish law limiting one person to membership of no more than one such board. But then what can one expect from PIS, given that the supposedly highest elected disciple of Chairman Kaczynski, that cat Duda, fraudulently billed the taxpayer for personal flights claiming they were state travel needed for his work as an MP?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Sep 2016 #2,175
Bartlomiej Misiewicz

You are violating your own self-styled rules by not typing that Cat Bartlomiej Misiewicz, and it's Bartłomiej with an Ł. Maybe "that Pidgin Hairy Cat" would be more in character, reflecting your "proficiency" in the Polish tongue.

Incidentally, the 8% or 9% poor losers' camp continues playing wrecker and demoliton card. Remember when Rodzina 500+ was announced by PiS, and PO, who had claimed it would break the budget, suddenly started pressing that allowance should be available to all chidrene, not jsut the second and subsequent ones. The intention was hardly humanitarian but aimed at breaking the budget so more PiS-bashing could ensue. The KOD group has never been much for patriotic displays, pride in Polish history, "Accursed soldiers", military parades, war memorials and the like, but this year they are planning a big march on 11th November. The same day as the nationalist march. What that means is that police presence will have to be beefed up to maximum force to avert clashes, and the taxpayer of course will have to foot the bill. (That doesn't concern KOD in the least, as that may well provide yet another opportunity to give Poland a bad name -- precisely what they're striving for.) We can easily imagine that Jew-Cat Michnik ordering his reportrers and paparazzi to capture some really dramatic scenes which will appear on the GW website, be readily lapped up by the NYT and CNN, giving Poland another black eye. Bravo Kijowski, Petru & Schetyna!!! Maybe you will have achieved yet another rating-agency downgrade.
Harry
27 Sep 2016 #2,176
What that means is that police presence will have to be beefed up to maximum force to avert clashes, and the taxpayer of course will have to foot the bill.

It means no such thing, the neo-nazis can just march in another city this year and decent law-abiding citizens who want to protect the constitution of Poland can march in the nation's capital. And don't worry about the bill, that can be paid for from the money recovered from the PISites who were illegally appointed to jobs they aren't allowed to do and so have to return all their salaries for.

Maybe "that Pidgin Hairy Cat" would be more in character, reflecting your "proficiency" in the Polish tongue.

Thanks for again reminding us that your position in this debate is so weak that personal abuse is your primary tactic.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
27 Sep 2016 #2,177
they are happy to ignore

Just as PO-PSL ignored 48 TK rulings during their 8 years in power. So what happened? Absolutely nothing. No streets marches, no snitching to the EU, no rating-agency downgrades, no selling sensational stories to the foieign media, no nothing. And that Cat Rzepliński, put in his post by that Cat Tusk, did nto convene a hate session of judges to bash the ruling PO-PSL government. Strange but true!
Ironside 50 | 10,940
27 Sep 2016 #2,178
Duda, fraudulently billed the taxpayer for personal flights

Advice you against slander Harry.

the neo-nazis can just march in another city

Why? Are you trying to say that only Stalinist displaces like yourself and old operatives of the soviet state that flocks to KOD are allowed to march?

By the way - there're no neo-Nazis in Poland.
Harry
27 Sep 2016 #2,179
Just as PO-PSL ignored 48 TK rulings during their 8 years in power. So what happened? Absolutely nothing

Of course nothing happened: that's because those 48 were not ignored, they were abided with. Your claim about those 48 is just as Much of a blatant falsehood as your claims about invisible police attack dogs and the EU forcibly micro chipping Polish babies.
gumishu 11 | 5,605
27 Sep 2016 #2,180
Bravo Kijowski, Petru & Schetyna!!! Maybe you will have achieved yet another rating-agency downgrade.

you know Polonius these guys preach PiS rule is catastrophic to Poland so you understand the worse for Poland now the better for them (at least they hope so) but we'll see
jon357 66 | 17,078
27 Sep 2016 #2,181
. Your claim about those 48 is just as Much of a blatant falsehood

Unfortunately falsehoods are the stock in trade of that particular political tendency, something we see time and time again.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,182
they were abided with

So why not extend the "abided with" clause to the present government. That
would allow the oppositon to finally formulate some positive programme rather than engaging in snitchery, inviting foreign intervention and pursuing a policy of sheer sabotage and obstructionism.
Harry
28 Sep 2016 #2,183
So why not extend the "abided with" clause to the present government.

Because it is not in the slightest bit truthful to claim that the present government has abided with all the decisions of the Constitutional Court. Both that cat Duda and the 'prime minister' are currently breaking Polish law by refusing to follow the decisions of the Constitutional Court. We can only hope that once the 18% regime has been removed from office they are both offered suitable plea bargains for their testimony against the man who says that he is their "real actual leader" and who has ordered them to commit their crimes, Chairman Kaczynski.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,184
regime has been removed from office

Don't hold your breath. Those are the dreams of only the poor losers' camp desperately fighting for rapidly disappearing status quo which will never return. The KOD movement is dominated by the wives and widows of commie party and military brass, regime-approved academics and entertainers, commie-derived KORites and entire dynasties of shady lawyers, nepotistic medical clans and others who have ruled the roost and bled Poland dry for a quarter of a century. Now we've got a government that represents not the snobbish, self-appointed elite but the rest of the nation whose needs and aspirations have so far been largely ignored and neglected.
Harry
28 Sep 2016 #2,185
the snobbish, self-appointed elite

You mean those morons who appointed each other to the supervisory boards of multiple state-owned companies in direct violation of Polish law? Luckily for the Polish taxpayer, their devious scheme has been exposed.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,186
who appointed each other

It was PO that politicised a large number of trreasury companies. Among the most politicised was the Masovian Unit for Implementing EU Programmes. At its head was placed PO councillor That Cat Wiesław Raboszuk devoid of any experience in managing funds. He gave jobs to some 60 PO activists or their families.

That Cat Jacek Kozłowski, PO, voivode of Masovia, appointed PO members to 12 Masovian companies. Not skills, experience or training but PO membership was the prime criterion. All this barely scratches the surface of PO's endless schemes, scams and nepotism which again you somehow managed not to notice.
Harry
28 Sep 2016 #2,187
It was PO that politicised a large number of trreasury companies.

That's an interesting claim. If it's true you'll have no trouble naming three PO appointees who either failed to meet minimum legal requirements or sat on the boards of multiple state-owned companies in violation of Polish law. Kindly provide those names.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,188
state-owned companies

People linked to the PO community found state treasury companies to be milkable cows of sorts.

Ludzie ze środowisk powiązanych z Platformą, uczyniły ze spółek Skarbu Państwa swoiste "dojne krowy".

wpolityce.pl/polityka/287420-grabiez-spolek-skarbu-panstwa-przez-ludzi-poprzedniej-wladzy-patologia-gonila-patologie

abided with all the decisions

ANtics with senantics? The PO regime failed to implement the TK's rulings so how could they have abided by them?
Harry
28 Sep 2016 #2,189
People linked to the PO community found state trasury companies to be milkable cows of sorts.

I note that you choose to just repeat your claim rather than substantiating it. How surprising that you're unable to name three PO appointees who either failed to meet minimum legal requirements or sat on the boards of multiple state-owned companies in violation of Polish law while I find it so easy to name three such PISites.

wpolityce

How surprising to see a magazine funded with money stolen from SKOKs writes such rubbish.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,190
I find it so easy to name three such PISites.

It's no wonder. When you're not collrecting dirt on fełllow-PF-ers you're scrounging about for things to tar the pro-Polish PiS party with. Is that how you make your living -- as a PO stooge?

writes such rubbish.

Everyone you disagree with, who does not toe the KOD/Petru/Po line is an unreliable source. You make those proclamations out of hand because everyone knows you don't read Polish. It's Anglo-jabber or die!

trouble naming three

If you read Polish you'd know That Cat Roboszuk and That Cat
Kozłowskiwere named in the link. That's two. I am not about to play your Gestapo/NKVD game and scrape the bottom of the barrel for No. 3. I for one do not have a thick file on everyone just in case. That's the kind of thingspaid PO stooges do.

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